Break Week About Zoro and Sanji's main achievements in Wano

Do you think Oda demoted Zoro and Sanji's achievements too much for this arc?


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#22
Basically Luffy and Zoro both helped some village in round 1.
Luffy got captured after Kaido and did nothing for the arc except his fight against Kaido.

Zoro protected Toko and Hiyori against Killer.
Zoro got Enma something only Oden's was using.
Zoro saved the alliance by getting the antidote.
Defeated Apoo also.
Literally the MvP during the rooftop.
Fought and defeated the RH of Kaido who was known for his hax power.
Unlocked coc and adv.coc.

I mean what you need more from him ?
It's because ZKK didn't happen ? ...
Achievements are great.

It's his story, importance during Onigashima which were reduced for what ? Don't know.
What is the purpose to compare him to Ryuma for nothing at the end .... wano people will never recognise Zoro as the next ryuma in the land of samurai.

So 50 - 50 overall...
 
#23
King and Queen have always been trash, King was hyped up due to being a ZKK consolation prize, thing is, it doesn’t matter, Zoro already got a better feat with the Hakai. This panel is just there to remind people to don’t put YCs above others just because they have that role, this is not Bleach with its captain level reiatsu, and YC1/2/3 are made up terms, the only real meaning is “this is the best/second/third etc person this yonkou was able to make their cheerleader”, and even then, it’s debatable, as I don’t see those two clowns still able to fight after tanking a maser cannon.
 
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Herrera95

#24
He needed to use the raid suit, because he needed to know what he was giving up. There’s no sacrifice without temptation.

The raid suit was designed as the ultimate temptation giving Sanji the power that he dreamed of as well as the power of his brothers which haunted him all his life.

Yes Sanji wanted to hit Black Maria, Sanji has always wanted to hurt women, but he is physically incapable of it. Literally his body won’t allow him to because he was trained being incapable to.

Why leave Page One and Ulti to Usopp and Nami? Because Sanji believed in them, yes he knows they’re strong, but he had faith that Usop and Nami could take care of it. Just like he had faith in Nami to beat Kalifla.

Running for no reason? Sanji couldn’t fight because he was distracted. He was incapable of using his observation haki because he wasn’t calm so yes he needed to organize his thoughts for a second.
He didn't gave up on nothing. He already had changed before destroying the raid suit. And all that plot of him feeling different doesn't make any sense too. Was just stupid.

At WCI he had already being stablished as stronger than anyone of his family. Only at the end for some reason Oda pretend he was slower than his brother.

Nope. You clearly doesn't know Sanji. He is a gentleman. He doesn't hurt women because that how he is. He doesn't want to hurt women. Not that he can't. A perfect example was him and Luffy saving Reiju from Big Mom. He attacked Big Mom in someway but knew it wouldn't hurt her.

This is exactly why he got trapped by Black Maria. He wants to help women not the opposite.

Sanji believed Usopp would defeat a guy he didn't? Or if he defeated P1 he needed Raid Suit for that. He knows neither of both knows haki. And it was clear that they almost got killed if wasnt for Tama and then Big Mom. Khalifa is way different. Sanji knew she was weaker. Level of Nami. And he had no other option but leaving Nami dealing with Khalifa. He couldn't do shit with Ulti but at least take down P1 and let them 2v1 Ulti. Similar with Robin and Brook vs Black Maria and her soldiers.

And the worst part is that Sanji instead of helping taking down P1 he helped Luffy and Jinbei taking down fodders and getting trapped by Black Maria.

Hahaha. He got distracted in a fight. Wasn't calm. Holy shit worst argument I ever seen. He asked a pause for Queen too?
 
#25
Some of these comments are so funny people trying to downplay GB saying he beat a wounded king and Queen :suresure: when these guys had a whole 7days to get better plus there ancient zoans which also speed up there recovery :milaugh:plz just stop GB beat a healthy King and Queen easy just except it stop adding things that's not shown, like seastone cuff or the was I. Jail or was caught of guard sleeping
 
#26
I agree. But how things went was terrible. Would be a lot better if he never used raid suit. Oda killed his characters by saying things like he wanted to hit Black Maria and leaving Usopp to protecting Nami from Ulti and Page One knowing how strong Page One is. And the DNA stuff was terrible. Oda threw on thrash all Sanji flashback for the sake of power up and still made him look like a coward running for no reason.
Leaving usopp to protect nami was a good moment, shows that he relies on usopp

Sanji ran for understandable reasons, and the fact that it trashes on sanji's flashback is exactly what makes it a good power up because sanji felt that way, that all his achievements were basically meaningless and that it's thanks to judge that he's still alive, and that's a good development too because sanji got humbled

Overall the only bad part of his character arc imo is that oda completely forgot about sora
 
#27
Zoro managed to save the novae on the rooftop and defeat a powerful beast Pirate but it still felt unsatisfactory:josad:
Really? I thought he did amazing. He has done so much more than just that.
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Basically Luffy and Zoro both helped some village in round 1.
Luffy got captured after Kaido and did nothing for the arc except his fight against Kaido.

Zoro protected Toko and Hiyori against Killer.
Zoro got Enma something only Oden's was using.
Zoro saved the alliance by getting the antidote.
Defeated Apoo also.
Literally the MvP during the rooftop.
Fought and defeated the RH of Kaido who was known for his hax power.
Unlocked coc and adv.coc.

I mean what you need more from him ?
It's because ZKK didn't happen ? ...
Achievements are great.

It's his story, importance during Onigashima which were reduced for what ? Don't know.
What is the purpose to compare him to Ryuma for nothing at the end .... wano people will never recognise Zoro as the next ryuma in the land of samurai.

So 50 - 50 overall...
This sums it up well.
 
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#28
Zoro’s achievements have been highlighted several times this arc by Oda himself. An average fan will be shocked by Zoro’s performance, this whole arc Oda has been trying to wake people up to the reality that zoro is not someone you can just write off and forget about. And the best part is Zoro isn’t done yet. He’s ongoing plotlines are going to culminate in the greatest feat of the story: killing the unkillable.

Sanji has defeated queen, and while thats nice and his new upgrade is somewhat cool, it’s portrayal is not on the level of what zoro has accomplished while in a nerfed state. Especially after what’s about to go down. A blood lusted black blade zoro is something nobody should want to cross paths with 🥶
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#30
It was just a reminder for those taking things too far. Entering this arc if you asked any non diehard Zoro fanboy of what he would accomplish, he far exceeded expectations.

It took Luffy beating Doflamingo, Cracker, Katakuri, Udon training, and all Zoro did was get Enma train for a bit and he surpassed those versions of Luffy. Luffy has had conqueror's unlocked for the longest time, finally achieves advCoC, Zoro unlocks and achieves the adv version all in one raid.

Zoro performed so well on Wano that you could legit make the case he came out the timeskip stronger than Luffy.
 
#31
It was just a reminder for those taking things too far. Entering this arc if you asked any non diehard Zoro fanboy of what he would accomplish, he far exceeded expectations.

It took Luffy beating Doflamingo, Cracker, Katakuri, Udon training, and all Zoro did was get Enma train for a bit and he surpassed those versions of Luffy. Luffy has had conqueror's unlocked for the longest time, finally achieves advCoC, Zoro unlocks and achieves the adv version all in one raid.

Zoro performed so well on Wano that you could legit make the case he came out the timeskip stronger than Luffy.
Except he didn't
And he also fought someone only strong as Cracker at best

It took him enma + training + Adcoc to beat a commander
 
#33
It was just a reminder for those taking things too far. Entering this arc if you asked any non diehard Zoro fanboy of what he would accomplish, he far exceeded expectations.

It took Luffy beating Doflamingo, Cracker, Katakuri, Udon training, and all Zoro did was get Enma train for a bit and he surpassed those versions of Luffy. Luffy has had conqueror's unlocked for the longest time, finally achieves advCoC, Zoro unlocks and achieves the adv version all in one raid.

Zoro performed so well on Wano that you could legit make the case he came out the timeskip stronger than Luffy.
:risitameh:


I swear bro, from where are all these clowns? :kobeha:
 
#34
He saved the asses of the novae on the rooftop but he deserved to fullfil his promise to kill Kaido at least :josad:
What are talking about? Zoro is still killing kaido that hasn’t changed just because people are making noise. You shouldnt have lost faith so easily.

:yasu:

Zoro killing Kaido is set in stone.

:goyea:
 

Finalbeta

Hero of Albion
#35
What are talking about? Zoro is still killing kaido that hasn’t changed just because people are making noise. You shouldnt have lost faith so easily.

:yasu:

Zoro killing Kaido is set in stone.

:goyea:
I hope so :josad:

As I claimed many times the chance is still non 0
 
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Herrera95

#38
Leaving usopp to protect nami was a good moment, shows that he relies on usopp

Sanji ran for understandable reasons, and the fact that it trashes on sanji's flashback is exactly what makes it a good power up because sanji felt that way, that all his achievements were basically meaningless and that it's thanks to judge that he's still alive, and that's a good development too because sanji got humbled

Overall the only bad part of his character arc imo is that oda completely forgot about sora
Is not about relying on Usopp. Is about understanding P1 is out of his league. Imagine Luffy saying alright Usopp I believe in you to defeat Kaido.

How making Sanji life 100% dependable on Judge a good development? Do you even know what that word means?
 
#39
Is not about relying on Usopp. Is about understanding P1 is out of his league. Imagine Luffy saying alright Usopp I believe in you to defeat Kaido.
usopp did manage to stale him for a bit, nami and him could've used a better strategy against both page one and ulti, asking usopp to stale and stay alive when being chased by someone who's veteran lvl isn't that much to ask
 
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Herrera95

#40
usopp did manage to stale him for a bit, nami and him could've used a better strategy against both page one and ulti, asking usopp to stale and stay alive when being chased by someone who's veteran lvl isn't that much to ask
Stale him? They were playing with food. Specially Ulti. You saw how things went when Ulti got serious. If wasn't for Big Mom they would be dead.

Again Sanji left them for no fucking reason.
 
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