General & Others Ace death was so forced and cheap writing
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@Charlotte Sky next Oda is gonna kill blonde Ace then we get blue hair Ace.
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Thanks bring the truth.
Sabo do has something different from Ace. He doesn't go that enraged mode when people talk shit about him or his friends etc. He showed that with Burgess. But beside that he is the Ace 2.0 that wouldn't face Akainu at Marineford while running for his life.
And yes, Luffy has literally 0 character development If I can say anything in Luffy's defense is that he has arc development. He does development in each arc but he return at his original state when the arc is finished.
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Sabo whispering to Luffy "I will finally met Ace and Cringer". And then another flashback abut Cringer that was their 3rd brother and also thought he was dead but is now alive and ate Mera Mera no Mi.
Sabo do has something different from Ace. He doesn't go that enraged mode when people talk shit about him or his friends etc. He showed that with Burgess. But beside that he is the Ace 2.0 that wouldn't face Akainu at Marineford while running for his life.
And yes, Luffy has literally 0 character development If I can say anything in Luffy's defense is that he has arc development. He does development in each arc but he return at his original state when the arc is finished.
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Sabo whispering to Luffy "I will finally met Ace and Cringer". And then another flashback abut Cringer that was their 3rd brother and also thought he was dead but is now alive and ate Mera Mera no Mi.
No one has character development in One Piece because it isn't a character driven story. Oda's editors themselves told Oda he lacks in character development. One Piece is not about character development, instead it is a plot driven story. Naruto was more character driven whereas One Piece is 100% plot driven with no character.
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Yes but the author try to force that and fans try to pretend there is really any character development.
In fact I could argue Sanji had some character development in my opinion when he asked Robin for help. He didn't that at Enies Lobby with Nami.
Also Zoro issues with fighting females because of Sanji. He has no problem but rather not fighting them.
Those are the ones I can see. I could also argue about Usopp for sure being braver each arc and Nami too.
But not Luffy for sure. And this is bad because Oda tries to pretend there is any and things just make seem he is a bad writer. For example Zoro speech to Luffy about not letting guard down at New World. I intend to guess that Luffy got more times arrested at New World than at pre timeskip.
In fact I could argue Sanji had some character development in my opinion when he asked Robin for help. He didn't that at Enies Lobby with Nami.
Also Zoro issues with fighting females because of Sanji. He has no problem but rather not fighting them.
Those are the ones I can see. I could also argue about Usopp for sure being braver each arc and Nami too.
But not Luffy for sure. And this is bad because Oda tries to pretend there is any and things just make seem he is a bad writer. For example Zoro speech to Luffy about not letting guard down at New World. I intend to guess that Luffy got more times arrested at New World than at pre timeskip.
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Lol sabo went rage mode when saw kuma chain up to the point he fighting two admirals 
Ace fought Akainu because he was talking shit about WB. Burgess talked shit about Luffy and Sabo remained calm.
I agree with Kiwi.
Although of course, I still think that death was somewhat hasty, but as time passed I have understood that Oda didn't find another way to kill him, and that was something that marked Luffy (and other manga characters, and many manga readers also)
And I know that several here are going to get angry with me (sorry @Finalbeta
) , but it is the first time that I'll give my opinion on this (sorry this testament): @Charlotte Sky , I can find you some reason about Sabo, about the fruit and about the physical appearance, although the personalities between them are different. Okay, Luffy and Ace share qualities like a feeling of justice, fighting for freedom, and of course, recklessness as part of their personalities. Sabo also shares those qualities. Also that anger that they cannot control when they see an injustice. Sabo got upset about Burgess and Kuma. And no, I'm not criticizing that they're reckless, it's part of the personality of the three. What I'm trying to say is that it seems that Ace is often criticized more for recklessness, more than his brothers and other characters in the manga.
Although I have respect for Sabo, I'm not his fan and I don't have affection for him (like other characters), but I also don't hate him (I felt sorry for him when he remembered Ace after knowing his death and when it was theorized that it could have happened to him something bad in the Levely) Of course, I think his reappearance is a bit forced (personally, I think it would have been better if Oda introduced him a couple of arcs before maybe), but ok, it's acceptable within the plot, because he's Luffy's brother. He loves Luffy, he is a brave character, strong and committed to his cause. And I think it's good that he is a revolutionary, because in the flashback there were all indications that the path he was going to take would be to join the revolutionary army.
And yes, I don't like is that Oda gave the Mera-Mera no mi to Sabo. I understand the theme of "inherited wills" in manga, but I consider that being a user of someone else's fruit doesn't make you carry their will. Several characters have carried the will of others without having any fruit. I have read several comments in different places, about the Mera-Mera, saying that she was wasted by Ace and that she had to get more in the manga...
By giving the Mera Mera to Sabo, in part I feel as if Oda implying to the readers that "Sabo can put that fruit to a better use than Ace gave him, so don't worry, all of you will continue to see the Mera Mera no mi in action". So, a certain part of the fandom comes to compare both in terms of strength and since they have the argument of the devil fruit, most of the time Ace is trashed, for the same old themes: "that he didn't have haki, that he did not know how to use the fruit, he was weak, he never faced people of a level ", and then took up the subject of personality as an excuse, when in reality many were disappointed by the character because he wasn't strong enough like them they wanted or hoped, and then they began to hate him.
And I repeat, my opinion is personal and I understand that everyone has characters that they like and others that they dislike.
Maybe when I re-read the manga sometime, I will reconcile with Sabo and other characters.
Although of course, I still think that death was somewhat hasty, but as time passed I have understood that Oda didn't find another way to kill him, and that was something that marked Luffy (and other manga characters, and many manga readers also)
And I know that several here are going to get angry with me (sorry @Finalbeta
) , but it is the first time that I'll give my opinion on this (sorry this testament): @Charlotte Sky , I can find you some reason about Sabo, about the fruit and about the physical appearance, although the personalities between them are different. Okay, Luffy and Ace share qualities like a feeling of justice, fighting for freedom, and of course, recklessness as part of their personalities. Sabo also shares those qualities. Also that anger that they cannot control when they see an injustice. Sabo got upset about Burgess and Kuma. And no, I'm not criticizing that they're reckless, it's part of the personality of the three. What I'm trying to say is that it seems that Ace is often criticized more for recklessness, more than his brothers and other characters in the manga.Although I have respect for Sabo, I'm not his fan and I don't have affection for him (like other characters), but I also don't hate him (I felt sorry for him when he remembered Ace after knowing his death and when it was theorized that it could have happened to him something bad in the Levely) Of course, I think his reappearance is a bit forced (personally, I think it would have been better if Oda introduced him a couple of arcs before maybe), but ok, it's acceptable within the plot, because he's Luffy's brother. He loves Luffy, he is a brave character, strong and committed to his cause. And I think it's good that he is a revolutionary, because in the flashback there were all indications that the path he was going to take would be to join the revolutionary army.
And yes, I don't like is that Oda gave the Mera-Mera no mi to Sabo. I understand the theme of "inherited wills" in manga, but I consider that being a user of someone else's fruit doesn't make you carry their will. Several characters have carried the will of others without having any fruit. I have read several comments in different places, about the Mera-Mera, saying that she was wasted by Ace and that she had to get more in the manga...
By giving the Mera Mera to Sabo, in part I feel as if Oda implying to the readers that "Sabo can put that fruit to a better use than Ace gave him, so don't worry, all of you will continue to see the Mera Mera no mi in action". So, a certain part of the fandom comes to compare both in terms of strength and since they have the argument of the devil fruit, most of the time Ace is trashed, for the same old themes: "that he didn't have haki, that he did not know how to use the fruit, he was weak, he never faced people of a level ", and then took up the subject of personality as an excuse, when in reality many were disappointed by the character because he wasn't strong enough like them they wanted or hoped, and then they began to hate him.
And I repeat, my opinion is personal and I understand that everyone has characters that they like and others that they dislike.
Maybe when I re-read the manga sometime, I will reconcile with Sabo and other characters.
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