Powers & Abilities ACOA is already a big deal for admirals. Understand why.

With a good COA you can overcome 99% of the challenges.

  • Yes!

    Votes: 10 47.6%
  • Not!

    Votes: 3 14.3%
  • Admirals only have level 2.

    Votes: 5 23.8%
  • ACOA is overkill for people with ordinary durability.

    Votes: 2 9.5%
  • It really is an exaggeration, FUJITORA was hurt by G3 with COA standard.

    Votes: 1 4.8%

  • Total voters
    21
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Sasaki Kojirō

#1
As the title says, let's talk about the rarity of Ryou (ACOA), which aims to cause internal damage to the opponent.
As the concept of HAKI until MF was poorly developed, I will only summarize the whole marineford war in which several big shots participated and none of them demonstrated Ryou (internal destruction).

Figures like : MARCO, VISTA, JOZU, AKAINU, AOKIJI, KIZARU, Blamenco, Rakuyo, Namur, Blenheim, Curiel, Kingdew, Haruta, Atmos, Speed Jiru, Fossa, Edward Newgate and all the Vice Admirals of the Navy headquarters.

Of all these big shots, none of them demonstrated Ryou, ACOA, after the jump of 2 years, Luffy and Law formed an alliance with the intention of defeating the most dangerous SHICHIBUKAIS, Doflamingo, doflamingo is a Shichibukais and logically he is one of the big shots of the new world, it took a great and robust effort to put the man on the ground, and doflamingo is a man who has the qualities of a king, he has the conqueror’s haki, a rare haki and even the doflamingo doesn’t have ACOA (perforation internal), which makes you think, wow, 41-year-old doflamingo has no ACOA, and we left for WCI ARCH, in which Luffy faces a YONKOU commander, luffy needed help and a lot of effort to defeat him, but from the starting point the commander CRACKER did not have ACOA also only COA as well as Doflamingo and the other commanders of the white beard and others, which makes you think wow, a YONKO commander also does not have ACOA, is this common or is ACOA extremely rare ?!


So we left for the sweet general KATAKURI the YC1 of the pirates of BIG MOM, a man who had FS, vision of the future, an extremely rare HAKI, that among the strongest people in the new world, few have and we have seen the effectiveness of a superior COA compared to Luffy's COA, he actually overshadowed Luffy's COA at the base with his MOCHI, but the katakuri didn't have ACOA (internal perforation), a YC1 ...

But why would he need ACOA (Ryou), internal drilling? what will he try to drill, which is so difficult that he needs to develop ACOA? Nothing! He doesn't need Ryou to beat 99% of the characters in one piece (This includes the admirals), he just needs a great COA, of the 99% of the characters that are defeatable with COA, the 1% are KAIDO and BM, of course.

KID and Killer were impressed by Luffy's feat, which could cause superficial damage and injure KAIDO with a punch, although it was not enough to defeat YONKO.

So COA is the common understanding of the world of ONE PIECE, we have several big shots that do not have ACOA, and that are still strong, this is the case of admirals.

For example, Luffy will not need a good COA + ACOA + ADCOC, all combined to defeat someone like doflamingo, nor will he need to defeat someone like KATAKURI, he defeated everyone with a common COA, these people (Doflamingo, Katakuri, people who don't has some abnormality in his body that allows him to be resistant), they are considered "common", they do not have a durable and abnormal body like KAIDO and BM, admirals are also common when you get COA, you can reach them like any normal person "normal in the sense of having a human body, of flesh and bone, just like doflamingo, you can break the intangibility of the DF called LOGIA.

Below is the photo of Kid and Killer who suffered hell in the new world, and didn't know any Ryou users, challenged SHANKS, and BM ..
Do you realize that Ryou is a big deal for admirals?
The evidence strongly points out that they may not be able to own the so-called "Ryou of the country of WANO", as well as the other characters that I introduced, more because they are considered TOP TIERS, they may have Ryou some of the admirals and not all, they may have a skill that can cause, superficial damage to kaido, without the use of ACOC, therefore insignificant for KAIDO and BM, and useful for 99% of the other characters, making a correction BB and SHANKS are included in the 1%.

Only with the durability of KAIDO, it forces you to master 3 types of HAKI, COA, ACOA and ADCOC, you also need to master CoO(FS) to be able to dodge your BAUGA, luffy with the rare CoO(FS) that the strongest were hit and defeated 3 Sometimes, KAIDO forces you to master the 3 types of HAKI if you want to fight him.

1ª - from COA to ACOA.
2ª - From common COC to ACOC.
3ª - from CoO to FS.
KAIDO is a monster.

Not everyone needs ADCOC, not everyone is born with it.
It is not everyone who needs ACOA to beat an opponent, it is not everyone who needs to have a good CoO (FS)to hurt someone, for example FUJITORA and his CoO was being pressured by Luffy's CoO in Luffy's basic CoO in Dressrosa.

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#2
Yeah,I think Luffy will not be the underdog when it's time to fight the WG and Admirals!He already mastered all advanced forms of haki(still need some fin tuning thought) and awakening is coming soon!He will probably think of a way to fix G4 drawback and will develop G5 with awakening!EOS Luffy will be a monster!Rayleigh is know as "The Dark King",old man was giving a decent fight to admiral Kizaru,so advanced coa(penetration) is a big deal!Put chapter 1011 Luffy in Dressrosa and Luffy Would low diff Doffy with just gear 2+Adv.Coa+Adv.Coc+Future Sight!
 
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#5
What?

We have 3 stages of CoA

1. CoA base stage "hardening". Even fodders have it.
2. there is the secong stage "barrier CoA". C3 admirals used this type of CoA in the MF war.
Logia admirals, Sentomaru, Boa`s sisters, Ray, Hyou can use this type of CoA.

3. The third stage - "destruction/penetration CoA".
Only Luffy and Ray showed it. This type is on a different level than Hyou`s haki.
 
#7
What?

We have 3 stages of CoA

1. CoA base stage "hardening". Even fodders have it.
2. there is the secong stage "barrier CoA". C3 admirals used this type of CoA in the MF war.
Logia admirals, Sentomaru, Boa`s sisters, Ray, Hyou can use this type of CoA.

3. The third stage - "destruction/penetration CoA".
Only Luffy and Ray showed it. This type is on a different level than Hyou`s haki.
Exactly Flow/barrier haki is not the same as Penetration Haki!Even old man Hyo said he doesn't know penetration hyo!
 
#8
Base CoA and CoО:
Almost every non fodders characters can use it.

Barrier CoA and "territory scanning" CoО
Barrier CoA: Logia admirals, Sentomaru, Boa`s sisters, Ray, Hyou
"territory scanning" CoО: Ray, Enel, Fujitora
"territory scanning" is not just sense a strong opponent in the area but it is the knowledge of "everything that happens on the area"

FS and adCoA
Katakuri, Luffy
Ray, Luffy
 

Finalbeta

Ging Freecss stan
#9
Admirals should honestly feature ACoC, at least a few, or else Oda would have to portray their other stats so proficient it would not be needed despite they are meant to stand probably a bit above the yonko judging ba story portrayal.

And it's not impressive ACoC wasn't shown at that time, it was valid for all characters.
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#10
Fujitora ain't tanking attacks better than Doflamingo or Katakuri.
Being drunk enough to think Fujitora is less durable than Katakuri who bled profusely from base Luffy’s kick to the mouth
:doffytroll:

He could already bruise Fujitora with a basic Gear 3.
This is like saying you don’t need AdCoC to beat Kaido because Raizo cut his lip lol.
 
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Sasaki Kojirō

#11
This is basic logic. What you need for Kaido, you don't need for others. If Luffy could fix the Gear 4 time limit, all he needed to beat Fujitora was Future Sight imo even with basic Haki.

He could already bruise Fujitora with a basic Gear 3. Fujitora ain't tanking attacks better than Doflamingo or Katakuri.

That is the goal, for example katakuri has a very powerful COA, he was never forced to face such a durable opponent, of course he would not need ACOA for anything! FUJITORA in a nutshell is fragile. In case of difficulty in being defeated, KAIDO is the most difficult in the world, along with BM, BB with 2 DFS is also comparable.


The only thing you need to beat others is to just hit harder with your COA, you can fire.
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Exactly Flow/barrier haki is not the same as Penetration Haki!Even old man Hyo said he doesn't know penetration hyo!
Luffy reached a new level, of what Hyogoro was trying to teach him. He went further.
 
#13
Being drunk enough to think Fujitora is less durable than Katakuri who bled profusely from base Luffy’s kick to the mouth
:doffytroll:



This is like saying you don’t need AdCoC to beat Kaido because Raizo cut his lip lol.
Fujitora had his fucking guard up with his weapon. That was a full block. Kaido never blocked attacks. Fuji is a normal human. You don't need special Haki to beat him. It could help massively, but it's not a necessity.

Luffy did this to the current Yonko without Haki



A fish did this to another Yonko



Stop comparing normal humans to Big Mom or Kaido. Garp could bleed by fucking Dadan

 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#14
Fujitora had his fucking guard up with his weapon. That was a full block.
There were multiple surprise asterisks and exclamation marks, Fujitora was caught almost completely off guard and still took less damage from Elephant Gun than Kaido took from Okiku and Big Mom took from Queen.

Fuji is a normal human. You don't need special Haki to beat him.
Fujitora’s base form is more durable than Big Mom and Kaido. Literally Kinemon did more damage to Kaido than Elephant Gun did to Fuji lol. And Elephant Gun shits on Kinemon’s entire Samurai career.
 
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Sasaki Kojirō

#15
Being drunk enough to think Fujitora is less durable than Katakuri who bled profusely from base Luffy’s kick to the mouth
:doffytroll:



This is like saying you don’t need AdCoC to beat Kaido because Raizo cut his lip lol.

Oh Lee, good morning, did you start bluffing early?

KAIDO compared the HAKI of the sheaths to the monstrous "Ryou" by KOUZUKI ODEN.

Luffy with a Ryou and with G4 more strengthened than WCI and with ACOA (Ryou), did not cause relevant damage to KAIDO, only superficial damage, we know the size of the effort you need to attach to KAIDO to cause superficial damage, G4 hit after blow.

Luffy himself said it was very superficial, the term superficial is attributed to someone as durable as KAIDO, but FUJITORA is not as durable, for example: He can't catch a rain of G4 on his chest, like KAIDO vs Luffy in 923, which it is impossible for him, he will be completely hurt.



Do you realize that a blow like this is fatal to FUJITORA and any other admiral? He cannot afford to take a blow from that right, but KAIDO does, he was stabbed, for example, and when he went into his dragon form he healed all the superficial paper cuts, and healed TOGEN TOTSUKA combined, certainly TOGEN TOTSUKA with Ryou's sheaths they have more lethality than G3 luffy with basic COA in DR, which hurt FUJITORA.

But this is not the point, the point is that COA is already effective and capable of defeating any admiral.

Doflamingo was planning to assassinate FUJITORA and doflamingo just like the rest of his team has COA and not ACOA.
For admirals only COA and good lethality is enough.

While Luffy's G4 strengthened post WCI, he couldn't even make KAIDO spit some blood and get his angry smile off his face.

 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#16
Oh Lee, good morning, did you start bluffing early?

KAIDO compared the HAKI of the sheaths to the monstrous "Ryou" by KOUZUKI ODEN.

Luffy with a Ryou and with G4 more strengthened than WCI and with ACOA (Ryou), did not cause relevant damage to KAIDO, only superficial damage, we know the size of the effort you need to attach to KAIDO to cause superficial damage, G4 hit after blow.

Luffy himself said it was very superficial, the term superficial is attributed to someone as durable as KAIDO, but FUJITORA is not as durable, for example: He can't catch a rain of G4 on his chest, like KAIDO vs Luffy in 923, which it is impossible for him, he will be completely hurt.



Do you realize that a blow like this is fatal to FUJITORA and any other admiral? He cannot afford to take a blow from that right, but KAIDO does, he was stabbed, for example, and when he went into his dragon form he healed all the superficial paper cuts, and healed TOGEN TOTSUKA combined, certainly TOGEN TOTSUKA with Ryou's sheaths they have more lethality than G3 luffy with basic COA in DR, which hurt FUJITORA.

But this is not the point, the point is that COA is already effective and capable of defeating any admiral.

Doflamingo was planning to assassinate FUJITORA and doflamingo just like the rest of his team has COA and not ACOA.
For admirals only COA and good lethality is enough.

While Luffy's G4 strengthened post WCI, he couldn't even make KAIDO spit some blood and get his angry smile off his face.

Stop trolling lol. The scabbards swords would break on Fujitora, anybody who can tank elephant gun easily >>>> Kaido in durability.

Dragon Kaido took Elephant Gun, got his skull bent in and lost consciousness for a few moments.

Fujitora took Elephant Gun: a bruise that heals in literally 5 seconds
 
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Sasaki Kojirō

#17
Stop trolling lol. The scabbards swords would break on Fujitora, anybody who can tank elephant gun easily >>>> Kaido in durability.

Dragon Kaido took Elephant Gun, got his skull bent in and lost consciousness for a few moments.

Fujitora took Elephant Gun: a bruise that heals in literally 5 seconds
G3 luffy has no more lethality than a stab.
Luffy G3 (stronger than DR) caught a drunken KAIDO off guard, 0 damage.
Luffy G4 something more in firepower than G3, 0 damage.

That is the point, we have a direct confirmation that ACOA can cause superficial damage with gear 4.

ACOA is already fatal in FUJITORA, you are trying to deny it, TOGEN TOTSUKA is fatal in him too, while in KAIDO it is superficial, weak.

The sheaths showed a more effective and better HAKI than even the LUFFY post WCI that hurt fujitora in 2 arcs ago, with a G3.

With the @sanjikun, He said, Luffy would only need to fix the G4's time to beat FUJITORA. It would be COA versus COA, like G4 luffy vs Katakuri, even if he protects himself with a higher COA he still suffers damage, the same applies to FUJITORA who does not have a proven COA higher than KATAKURI, there is no evidence that his COA is so good, the only thing you need to overcome COA is firepower and lethality.
 
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