Character Discussion Admirals and their current pirate "equivalents"

#1
So a while ago, I noticed some small resemblances between the five Admirals and the new - gen pirates/Yonko.

This is regarding the same. It's pretty surface-level stuff, so don't mind it too much if it contradicts your own interpretations.

Anyways, here goes:

Akainu - Mihawk:
> They have the fanciest titles - one's the Fleet Admiral and the other's the WSS.

> They are both big red dudes with a certain motif (Yakuza/Dracula)

> Both are haters of the other team - Akainu loathes pirates and Mihawk is the Marine Hunter.

> Probably the strongest marine and pirate as of now by a slight margin

> Both represent a personal obstacle to an MC. Zoro wants to surpass Mihawk and Luffy's reaction on hearing of Akainu was to clutch his scar.

> Despite their natures, both of them are rather dormant - Akainu being stuck in a desk post - TS and Mihawk tending to avoid fights are things they've been slandered for.

> Both of them can compromise with the other side if needed - Mihawk served the WG as a Warlord and Akainu didn't want to disband the Warlords due to lack of manpower despute them being pirates.

> Both of them hang out with a drippy mafia guy (Kizaru and Croc).

Kizaru - Luffy:
> Monke animal motif.

> Connection to the Sun; Luffy is the Sun God and Kizaru wields the power of light and heat.

> Themes centering around Freedom - Warrior of Liberation vs self proclaimed cog in machine.

> Both like food and enjoy fighting ; Kizaru despite his laziness is lowkey a Blood Knight given how quickly he tends to be willing to fight strong opponents.

> Each was trained by a top-tier haki user who wore glasses, had an epithet themed after an IRL diety and was nearly as strong as their legendary friend (Sengoku/Rayleigh).

> Both seem to favour barrage attacks - Luffy with his punches and Kizaru with his yasakani and defensive fighting style against G4.

> Both have a fiery (literally and figuratively) brother (Akainu/Ace)

> Same bounty on EH.

They also contrast each other in some ways:

- Their personalities are a contrast - One's a calm intelligent sarcastic guy and the other's excitable dumb earnest guy.
- Oldest Admiral vs youngest Yonko.

Kuzan - Shanks :
a. Both crippled and missing a limb
b. Both connected to BB in a way
c. Both are actively looking for the OP
d. They are both former proteges of the top old gen Marine ( Garp) and pirate (Roger)
e. Both of them are people who competed for a certain title (FA/WSS) only to barely lose.

Fujitora - Law/Blackbeard:
> He's a calm haxxy swordsman like Law
> Has gravity-related powers like BB
> Fought one of Luffy's bros like BB did (Sabo/Ace)

As a contrast, Fuji is the only unambiguously good Admiral while BB is the evilest member of WB's crew.

Ryokyogyu - Kidd:
> They are both aggressive bull- themed fighters
> Both have abilities associated with nature (plants vs metal)
> Both got screwed over by Shanks
> Both are part of a trio with a calm swordsman guy and a goofy monke.
> Both have darwinistic only-the-strong-may-survive attitudes.

Also a contrast: GB uses nature based powers while Kid uses technological constructs.

Thoughts? Any other pirates you think might resemble the five Admirals we've been introduced to?

I've only used the new-gen ones here, so there's probably a lot more.
 
#4
It's okay, but Fuji being like Law/Blackbeard just doesn't work.
Yeah I was unsure about that one tbh. They were the only ones I coukd think of.

Anyone else who fits better? Shiki has a similar powerset but he's the only one who comes to mind.
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So Admirals are these Character Hakiless versions?
Well, I wouldn't say hakiless, considering that the Admirals were some of the first users of advanced haki in the series....

....although I'm guessing you knew that and were just slandering them lol.

Although I do wish Oda had focused on their haki a bit, what with Kuzan's punching and Kizaru's defense.

That being said, has BB shown any haki feats at all? I know he can use it and probably has Conqueror's but I legit can't recall anything he did with it.
 
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#5
I’d say Akainu is more aligned with Blackbeard since they were portrayed together in MF and in fishman island , both have history directly linked to Luffy and Ace and whitebeard, both killed a WBP member.

Both have a strong agenda, absolute chaos and Justice, both had similar progression and power ups in the story during the same time.
both had their appearance changed during the TS.
 
#6
I’d say Akainu is more aligned with Blackbeard since they were portrayed together in MF and in fishman island , both have history directly linked to Luffy and Ace and whitebeard, both killed a WBP member.

Both have a strong agenda, absolute chaos and Justice, both had similar progression and power ups in the story during the same time.
both had their appearance changed during the TS.
Good take. I agree.

I actually thought of making Sakazuki BB's counterpart but refrained because they were too contrasting and different on a surface level - absolute order vs absolute freedom, straight evil vs extremist good, buff vs fat etc.

But I can definitely see similarities:
- Both wield the power of natural disasters
- Both are main villains
- Both pictured together/in the same page often when something major occurs
- Both important when it came to killing WB
- Both connected to Kuzan
- Both have tragic pasts

In terms of narrative BB and Akainu are parallels.

Problem is I didn't know where the other Admirals fit because their narrative roles are less defined, hence I went for a more superficial comparison.
 
#9
Haha that’s funny but it actually does make sense because Blackbeard is the wild fat boy and his narrative parallel is the perfect shaped Akainu
Then there's Imu who looks like a sentient ink stain XD.

Unless his true form is secretly buff like the Dahaka.

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How lol when We already saw Shanks and WB sky split ? Yonkou's were the first. Followed by Amazon Lily people , Rayleigh before that.
And then Admirals lol.
Ah, fair enough. I recall the emission scene much better because it was more impressive compared to the others, except the sky split maybe.

Technically since Kizaru trained Sentomaru you could probably consider that to be a usage by proxy.

I guess what I meant to say is that they were showing good haki feats in a stage of the series where they were much less common. That sound fairer to you?

The main point really is that while their haki isn't focused on, it's still there and pretty strong. Fuji has phenomenal observation, Kizaru should have great armament etc.

That aside, any thoughts regarding the subject of the thread? Who do you think resembles any Admiral among the pirates?
 
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#12
If Pirates & Marines were Royal Families:

Xebec --- Kong (Those who Reached Highest Authority)
Roger --- Sengoku (Greatest)
Rayleigh --- Tsuru (Equally Legendary No. 2's)
Whitebeard --- Garp (Strongest who weren't Interested in Throne)
Oden --- Aokiji (Their Chosen Favorite to Lead New Era)
Kaidou --- Akainu (Villain who took over instead)
Big Mom --- Kizaru (Their Equally Legendary Partners)
Blackbeard --- Ryokugyu (New Yin)
Shanks --- Fujitora (New Yang)
Beckman --- Smoker? (In near Future imo)
... etc
 
#13
Except the FA fight had a conclusive winner but Shanks/Mihawk duels never did. Also there's no confirmation Mihawk got the title from the fight
Oh really? My bad, guess I misremembered.

Honestly I thought that was the case, since beating an opponent as legendary and powerful as Shanks would net a lot of fame.

Nah there is no connection between the Admirals and the Pirates.

The only connection is between Akainu & Dragon and thats due to their past.
Not connections - more surface similarities.

Like Salah WG's comparison of Garp and WB since they were both OP but didn't want the throne.
 
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#14
Oh really? My bad, guess I misremembered.

Honestly I thought that was the case, since beating an opponent as legendary and powerful as Shanks would net a lot of fame.
Nah, all cool, it's a common misconception so I don't blame you. Regarding your fame point, I think it's worth mentioning Mihawk was already world renowned before the great age of pirates (when Roger was alive) so he already had fame.

But good write up, all the other points you mentioned are 100% valid. While there are a lot of differences, Kuzan is definitely the closest admiral to Shanks :BigW:
 
#15
If Pirates & Marines were Royal Families:

Xebec --- Kong (Those who Reached Highest Authority)
Roger --- Sengoku (Greatest)
Rayleigh --- Tsuru (Equally Legendary No. 2's)
Whitebeard --- Garp (Strongest who weren't Interested in Throne)
Oden --- Aokiji (Their Chosen Favorite to Lead New Era)
Kaidou --- Akainu (Villain who took over instead)
Big Mom --- Kizaru (Their Equally Legendary Partners)
Blackbeard --- Ryokugyu (New Yin)
Shanks --- Fujitora (New Yang)
Beckman --- Smoker? (In near Future imo)
... etc
This is pretty good!

Fuji and Shanks especially is a great comparison too because they both are good guys, swordsmen, have similar slash attacks (Moko/Kamusari) and handicapped themselves on purpose.
 
#16
This is pretty good!

Fuji and Shanks especially is a great comparison too because they both are good guys, swordsmen, have similar slash attacks (Moko/Kamusari) and handicapped themselves on purpose.
That's true, i wonder if Fujitora also did it for Someone similar to Luffy.
As for Mihawk, his Other Side is Dragon

Don't forget that Dragon was also a Marine & probably will become New Fleet Admiral in the Future,
Dragon formed Revos Army alongside other Two just like Mihawk did with Cross Guild,

Technically Revos Army is like Neo Marines while Cross Guild is like Neo Pirates,
Mihawk/Dragon (East Blue Duo) + Crocodile/Kuma (Warlords who Failed to Protect who They Love) + Buggy/Ivankov (Legends for their Respective Communities),

Ivankov & Buggy are both Co-Founders & Part of Five Commanders Team (Who are Comparable in Power),
Ivankov alongside Karasu, Morley, Lindbergh & Belo Betty,
While Buggy alongside Mr. 3, Cabaji, Mohji & Alvida,

Also Crocodile has Mr. 1 (Basically Mini-Version of him as both Fight with Infinite Blades),
And Kuma has Sentomaru (Also Mini-Version of him, as both are Sumos),

Finally, Dragon has Sabo as his Student who triggered an Incident that made him have his own Exclusive Fans & He is seen as Next Dragon,
And Mihawk too has Zoro, who is also his Student & will obviously soon make People start comparing him to Mihawk, He just needs a Famous Incident
 

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#19
Apparently his means "justice even if it kills me" - according to the OP wiki. That's interesting, hope Oda expands on that.

Good comparison! Both Ryo and Kaido are very strength focused too. Both also got stopped by Shanks and fought a Kozuki while invading Wano.
Ryokugyu really dodged a bullet after Oda hinting about his backstory in an SBS.:risisweat:

Which means Ryo is gonna have a backstory later on in the manga unlike a certain swordsman and a certain red hair.:risitavirus:
 
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