Theory Adv.CoC of Kid -> TYR

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#1
So guys... Lets have some theory theory no mi at work. Lets awaken that thing. @rerere @ReggieZoldyck21 @playa4321 @Lukegranders

First, i need to explain my way of thought:
Following the thought of Adv. CoC representing some kind of Gods/Deity ( @playa4321 brought me on this, originaly from @Red Admiral and him) i just thought about some rival to Luffy. But that didnt lead me to anything. So i tried to think about his characters, tought about wilderness (lead me to Dionysus, Greek God, coincidently, he is the god my first name is based on), but it wouldnt fit that well, specialy cause Dionysus is mostly known for his women and wine.

So i took another direction. I mean, we assume Kid is connected to Shanks in some way. No idea which way, but he is connected to him. Following the originaly theory (probz at @Red Admiral and @playa4321 again), Shanks could be based on Thor, a protector, a son of the heighest God. Fitting really well for Shanks. I would consider this God to be Roger with the Deity Odin. Odin has two Sons, Thor and Loki. We connected Thor to Shanks already, but look how well this fits. Who would be Loki if we think about that? Loki, brother of Thor, Loki, the God of Mischief... who would fit to the "Son of Roger", "Brother of Shanks" and "God of Mischief" better than... Buggy The Clown?? Buggy the Clown is Loki, God of Mischief, the brother of Thor. Buggy and Shanks are non biological brothers, "sons" of their Captain, of Odin/Roger. It fits.

So, back to Kid. Kid then is connected to the nordic myth and to Shanks. Some assumed Kid is maybe related to Shanks, but that doesnt have to be. Something else connects them, someone else. Its Killer. But to this point we come later (@rerere better take out some good wine, you will enjoy this!). Following the nordic myth, there i remembered a story my brother told my when i was a 8 years old. Our father just died and my (half)brother came to me, sat down, gifted me a stuff animal (Wölfi), a Wolf. He is a big fan of the nordic myth, so he told me a story about that. The Story of the God Tyr and Fenrir.

Tyr is a germanic god, the god of war and victory.

Tyr was mainly known for his countless wars, no matter if losing or winning, even when he lost everything, everyone considered him winning, cause he fought back always. Thats why he was also know as the god of victory. But what he is most known for is... his connection with Fenrir.

Fenrir is one of the strongest and mightest creatures in the nordic myth. He is a mystic wolf, so wild, dangerous and strong, not even the gods could tame him. They tried to chain him down, build the strongest chains they could even imagine. But Fenrir broke them with ease. So the gods startet a last attempt of chaining. They build a chain which was crafted of material, which isnt even existing. (i forgott them, but one part were the sound of footsteps from cats) They put Fenrir in these chains, but Fenrir just grew with the resistance, he got stronger and stronger, but the chains didnt break. Fenrir seemed to understand that some magic is behind the chains and he wont be able to break them. So he made an offer to the gods.

If one of the Gods trust him so far to put his Hand/Arm into Fenrir mouth, he will promise to follow the wishes of the gods. The Gods knew, Fenrir is a Son of Loki, his promised cant be trustet. Fenrir would bite of that hand immediately. So they hesitated, they were scared. All of them, except Tyr. Tyr stepped forward and without any word, he put his Hand in Fenrirs mouth, well knowing Fenrir will bite his hand/arm off. And Fenrir did, Fenrir know ate a bodypart of the Gods, which made him able to break these chains. But the moment he thought this, he sees the face and the thoughts of Tyr. He saw a smile in Tyrs face. He saw that Tyr knew Fenrir would bite his hand and he saw that Tyr trusts him to keep his promise, cause Fenrir never promised not to bite.

So Fenrir broke free, he broke his promise to the gods, he never listened to them or followed their orders. But he sticked to Tyr, he trusted Tyr more then anything else. He made sure Tyr will always get the victory he deserves. From this day one... Fenrir became Tyrs second arm.


Assumption:
Kids God/Deity is Tyr. The one armed God of War and Victory. A god known for his wars, fights and his unbreakable will to win. A god which always took the victory, even when he lost.



@rerere
But there is more. If Kid is Tyr, it is obvious what kind of Smile-DF Killer has eaten: Mystic Wolf; Model: FENRIR. In this assumption, Killer is no one else then Fenrir. Fenrir, the Wolf Tyr gave his arm for and the extremely dangerous creature which gave his trust only to Tyr.



But it keeps going. Remember my entrance? The connection to Shanks? Tyr lost his arm to get the trust of Fenrir. Kid took Killer away from Shanks, cause Killer originaly belonged to Shanks. And Kid offered Shanks his arm in exchange for his second arm, Killer. Kid never said his arm got cut of by a the Shanks Pirates. He only said he lost his arm to them. It always sounded unmatching for Shanks taking of an arm in my opinion. And Shanks didnt, Kid only lost his arm to them. Cause he offered it to them, for taking Fenrir/Killer away from their Chains. He freed Killer from Shanks and got Killers unbreakable trust in exchange.






TL;DR:

Kid -> Tyr
Killer -> Fenrir
Shanks -> Thor
Buggy -> Loki
Roger -> Odin​



So, share your thoughts, your critics, your additional ideas to it! I am always open to adjust my thoughts!

P.s.: @Red Admiral or @playa4321 could you link me your original theory about that, so i can link it?
 
#2
So guys... Lets have some theory theory no mi at work. Lets awaken that thing. @rerere @ReggieZoldyck21 @playa4321 @Lukegranders

First, i need to explain my way of thought:
Following the thought of Adv. CoC representing some kind of Gods/Deity ( @playa4321 brought me on this, originaly from @Red Admiral and him) i just thought about some rival to Luffy. But that didnt lead me to anything. So i tried to think about his characters, tought about wilderness (lead me to Dionysus, Greek God, coincidently, he is the god my first name is based on), but it wouldnt fit that well, specialy cause Dionysus is mostly known for his women and wine.

So i took another direction. I mean, we assume Kid is connected to Shanks in some way. No idea which way, but he is connected to him. Following the originaly theory (probz at @Red Admiral and @playa4321 again), Shanks could be based on Thor, a protector, a son of the heighest God. Fitting really well for Shanks. I would consider this God to be Roger with the Deity Odin. Odin has two Sons, Thor and Loki. We connected Thor to Shanks already, but look how well this fits. Who would be Loki if we think about that? Loki, brother of Thor, Loki, the God of Mischief... who would fit to the "Son of Roger", "Brother of Shanks" and "God of Mischief" better than... Buggy The Clown?? Buggy the Clown is Loki, God of Mischief, the brother of Thor. Buggy and Shanks are non biological brothers, "sons" of their Captain, of Odin/Roger. It fits.

So, back to Kid. Kid then is connected to the nordic myth and to Shanks. Some assumed Kid is maybe related to Shanks, but that doesnt have to be. Something else connects them, someone else. Its Killer. But to this point we come later (@rerere better take out some good wine, you will enjoy this!). Following the nordic myth, there i remembered a story my brother told my when i was a 8 years old. Our father just died and my (half)brother came to me, sat down, gifted me a stuff animal (Wölfi), a Wolf. He is a big fan of the nordic myth, so he told me a story about that. The Story of the God Tyr and Fenrir.

Tyr is a germanic god, the god of war and victory.

Tyr was mainly known for his countless wars, no matter if losing or winning, even when he lost everything, everyone considered him winning, cause he fought back always. Thats why he was also know as the god of victory. But what he is most known for is... his connection with Fenrir.

Fenrir is one of the strongest and mightest creatures in the nordic myth. He is a mystic wolf, so wild, dangerous and strong, not even the gods could tame him. They tried to chain him down, build the strongest chains they could even imagine. But Fenrir broke them with ease. So the gods startet a last attempt of chaining. They build a chain which was crafted of material, which isnt even existing. (i forgott them, but one part were the sound of footsteps from cats) They put Fenrir in these chains, but Fenrir just grew with the resistance, he got stronger and stronger, but the chains didnt break. Fenrir seemed to understand that some magic is behind the chains and he wont be able to break them. So he made an offer to the gods.

If one of the Gods trust him so far to put his Hand/Arm into Fenrir mouth, he will promise to follow the wishes of the gods. The Gods knew, Fenrir is a Son of Loki, his promised cant be trustet. Fenrir would bite of that hand immediately. So they hesitated, they were scared. All of them, except Tyr. Tyr stepped forward and without any word, he put his Hand in Fenrirs mouth, well knowing Fenrir will bite his hand/arm off. And Fenrir did, Fenrir know ate a bodypart of the Gods, which made him able to break these chains. But the moment he thought this, he sees the face and the thoughts of Tyr. He saw a smile in Tyrs face. He saw that Tyr knew Fenrir would bite his hand and he saw that Tyr trusts him to keep his promise, cause Fenrir never promised not to bite.

So Fenrir broke free, he broke his promise to the gods, he never listened to them or followed their orders. But he sticked to Tyr, he trusted Tyr more then anything else. He made sure Tyr will always get the victory he deserves. From this day one... Fenrir became Tyrs second arm.


Assumption:
Kids God/Deity is Tyr. The one armed God of War and Victory. A god known for his wars, fights and his unbreakable will to win. A god which always took the victory, even when he lost.



@rerere
But there is more. If Kid is Tyr, it is obvious what kind of Smile-DF Killer has eaten: Mystic Wolf; Model: FENRIR. In this assumption, Killer is no one else then Fenrir. Fenrir, the Wolf Tyr gave his arm for and the extremely dangerous creature which gave his trust only to Tyr.



But it keeps going. Remember my entrance? The connection to Shanks? Tyr lost his arm to get the trust of Fenrir. Kid took Killer away from Shanks, cause Killer originaly belonged to Shanks. And Kid offered Shanks his arm in exchange for his second arm, Killer. Kid never said his arm got cut of by a the Shanks Pirates. He only said he lost his arm to them. It always sounded unmatching for Shanks taking of an arm in my opinion. And Shanks didnt, Kid only lost his arm to them. Cause he offered it to them, for taking Fenrir/Killer away from their Chains. He freed Killer from Shanks and got Killers unbreakable trust in exchange.






TL;DR:

Kid -> Tyr
Killer -> Fenrir
Shanks -> Thor
Buggy -> Loki
Roger -> Odin​



So, share your thoughts, your critics, your additional ideas to it! I am always open to adjust my thoughts!

P.s.: @Red Admiral or @playa4321 could you link me your original theory about that, so i can link it?
I had some small problems with it but it's a great theory man :kata:
 
#5
Last Chapter was named "CoC" & Kid was a Confirmed CoC User & yet we got nothing
So i'm not sure about his Advanced CoC
He doesn't even need it actually because he relies on his DF Mostly

Zoro was a Wreck, Oda could have still let him fall down just as Chapter 1010 starts & give Advanced CoC Reveal to Kid & Luffy, not Zoro & Luffy. But that wasn't the case so my expectations of him got lower unfortunately
 
#10
So guys... Lets have some theory theory no mi at work. Lets awaken that thing. @rerere @ReggieZoldyck21 @playa4321 @Lukegranders

First, i need to explain my way of thought:
Following the thought of Adv. CoC representing some kind of Gods/Deity ( @playa4321 brought me on this, originaly from @Red Admiral and him) i just thought about some rival to Luffy. But that didnt lead me to anything. So i tried to think about his characters, tought about wilderness (lead me to Dionysus, Greek God, coincidently, he is the god my first name is based on), but it wouldnt fit that well, specialy cause Dionysus is mostly known for his women and wine.

So i took another direction. I mean, we assume Kid is connected to Shanks in some way. No idea which way, but he is connected to him. Following the originaly theory (probz at @Red Admiral and @playa4321 again), Shanks could be based on Thor, a protector, a son of the heighest God. Fitting really well for Shanks. I would consider this God to be Roger with the Deity Odin. Odin has two Sons, Thor and Loki. We connected Thor to Shanks already, but look how well this fits. Who would be Loki if we think about that? Loki, brother of Thor, Loki, the God of Mischief... who would fit to the "Son of Roger", "Brother of Shanks" and "God of Mischief" better than... Buggy The Clown?? Buggy the Clown is Loki, God of Mischief, the brother of Thor. Buggy and Shanks are non biological brothers, "sons" of their Captain, of Odin/Roger. It fits.

So, back to Kid. Kid then is connected to the nordic myth and to Shanks. Some assumed Kid is maybe related to Shanks, but that doesnt have to be. Something else connects them, someone else. Its Killer. But to this point we come later (@rerere better take out some good wine, you will enjoy this!). Following the nordic myth, there i remembered a story my brother told my when i was a 8 years old. Our father just died and my (half)brother came to me, sat down, gifted me a stuff animal (Wölfi), a Wolf. He is a big fan of the nordic myth, so he told me a story about that. The Story of the God Tyr and Fenrir.

Tyr is a germanic god, the god of war and victory.

Tyr was mainly known for his countless wars, no matter if losing or winning, even when he lost everything, everyone considered him winning, cause he fought back always. Thats why he was also know as the god of victory. But what he is most known for is... his connection with Fenrir.

Fenrir is one of the strongest and mightest creatures in the nordic myth. He is a mystic wolf, so wild, dangerous and strong, not even the gods could tame him. They tried to chain him down, build the strongest chains they could even imagine. But Fenrir broke them with ease. So the gods startet a last attempt of chaining. They build a chain which was crafted of material, which isnt even existing. (i forgott them, but one part were the sound of footsteps from cats) They put Fenrir in these chains, but Fenrir just grew with the resistance, he got stronger and stronger, but the chains didnt break. Fenrir seemed to understand that some magic is behind the chains and he wont be able to break them. So he made an offer to the gods.

If one of the Gods trust him so far to put his Hand/Arm into Fenrir mouth, he will promise to follow the wishes of the gods. The Gods knew, Fenrir is a Son of Loki, his promised cant be trustet. Fenrir would bite of that hand immediately. So they hesitated, they were scared. All of them, except Tyr. Tyr stepped forward and without any word, he put his Hand in Fenrirs mouth, well knowing Fenrir will bite his hand/arm off. And Fenrir did, Fenrir know ate a bodypart of the Gods, which made him able to break these chains. But the moment he thought this, he sees the face and the thoughts of Tyr. He saw a smile in Tyrs face. He saw that Tyr knew Fenrir would bite his hand and he saw that Tyr trusts him to keep his promise, cause Fenrir never promised not to bite.

So Fenrir broke free, he broke his promise to the gods, he never listened to them or followed their orders. But he sticked to Tyr, he trusted Tyr more then anything else. He made sure Tyr will always get the victory he deserves. From this day one... Fenrir became Tyrs second arm.


Assumption:
Kids God/Deity is Tyr. The one armed God of War and Victory. A god known for his wars, fights and his unbreakable will to win. A god which always took the victory, even when he lost.



@rerere
But there is more. If Kid is Tyr, it is obvious what kind of Smile-DF Killer has eaten: Mystic Wolf; Model: FENRIR. In this assumption, Killer is no one else then Fenrir. Fenrir, the Wolf Tyr gave his arm for and the extremely dangerous creature which gave his trust only to Tyr.



But it keeps going. Remember my entrance? The connection to Shanks? Tyr lost his arm to get the trust of Fenrir. Kid took Killer away from Shanks, cause Killer originaly belonged to Shanks. And Kid offered Shanks his arm in exchange for his second arm, Killer. Kid never said his arm got cut of by a the Shanks Pirates. He only said he lost his arm to them. It always sounded unmatching for Shanks taking of an arm in my opinion. And Shanks didnt, Kid only lost his arm to them. Cause he offered it to them, for taking Fenrir/Killer away from their Chains. He freed Killer from Shanks and got Killers unbreakable trust in exchange.






TL;DR:

Kid -> Tyr
Killer -> Fenrir
Shanks -> Thor
Buggy -> Loki
Roger -> Odin​



So, share your thoughts, your critics, your additional ideas to it! I am always open to adjust my thoughts!

P.s.: @Red Admiral or @playa4321 could you link me your original theory about that, so i can link it?
It's a good one, but you overestimate Oda. Oda is going to throw away Kid just like he did with Shiki. Kid is Luffy's Shiki...
 
#12
I don't think mythical smiles are a thing. Momonosuke isn't a smile, his fruit was invented by vegapunk. But I do think the failed smiles hold some latent power that can be awakened. Since smiles have only been given to fodder, nobody has figured out how to use this power. But I think Killer will.
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It's a good one, but you overestimate Oda. Oda is going to throw away Kid just like he did with Shiki. Kid is Luffy's Shiki...
I doubt it. Kid is the only other captain amongst the supernova that has CoC, imo that builds him up to be the next whitebeard, not the next shiki.

nothing says whtiebeard was always as strong as roger. During the God valley incident, Roger beat his captain. I wouldn't even be surprised if Rayleigh defeated Whitebeard during God Valley.
 
#13
Kamaitachi? Fenrir? What a large menù :finally:
Great theory man. Everything fits from my POV, from Buggy (the connection you made with Loki is GOLD) to Killer.
But how do you think the cut of the arm happened? Following your theory Killer-Fenrir is the one who cut Kidd-Tyr arm.
Imagine: Kidd and Killer after the defeat, in front of Shanks/Beckman/Roux. They get the chance of saving all the crew with only one sacrifice which is Killer having to cut he himself his Captain arm (some sort of 'educative punishment' Shanks may give to rookies).
Killer refusing.
Kidd forcing him to do it.
Double spread of Killer who starts rotating the Punisher and Kidd consciously putting his arm through it, or viceversa Kidd lifting his arm up to the shoulder and Killer cutting it off.
Or a similar scenario with Killer being captured by the RHP and Kidd himself proposing this challenge to have Killer back.
Damn, these would be proper ways to add more tragic backstory to the Kidd Pirates... especially when the next time, in Wano, Killer was the one who decided to carry the major weight of their loss.
If this were to become canonical, I'd like it. :myman:
 
#15
Kamaitachi? Fenrir? What a large menù :finally:
Great theory man. Everything fits from my POV, from Buggy (the connection you made with Loki is GOLD) to Killer.
But how do you think the cut of the arm happened? Following your theory Killer-Fenrir is the one who cut Kidd-Tyr arm.
Imagine: Kidd and Killer after the defeat, in front of Shanks/Beckman/Roux. They get the chance of saving all the crew with only one sacrifice which is Killer having to cut he himself his Captain arm (some sort of 'educative punishment' Shanks may give to rookies).
Killer refusing.
Kidd forcing him to do it.
Double spread of Killer who starts rotating the Punisher and Kidd consciously putting his arm through it, or viceversa Kidd lifting his arm up to the shoulder and Killer cutting it off.
Or a similar scenario with Killer being captured by the RHP and Kidd himself proposing this challenge to have Killer back.
Damn, these would be proper ways to add more tragic backstory to the Kidd Pirates... especially when the next time, in Wano, Killer was the one who decided to carry the major weight of their loss.
If this were to become canonical, I'd like it. :myman:
 
#16
So guys... Lets have some theory theory no mi at work. Lets awaken that thing. @rerere @ReggieZoldyck21 @playa4321 @Lukegranders

First, i need to explain my way of thought:
Following the thought of Adv. CoC representing some kind of Gods/Deity ( @playa4321 brought me on this, originaly from @Red Admiral and him) i just thought about some rival to Luffy. But that didnt lead me to anything. So i tried to think about his characters, tought about wilderness (lead me to Dionysus, Greek God, coincidently, he is the god my first name is based on), but it wouldnt fit that well, specialy cause Dionysus is mostly known for his women and wine.

So i took another direction. I mean, we assume Kid is connected to Shanks in some way. No idea which way, but he is connected to him. Following the originaly theory (probz at @Red Admiral and @playa4321 again), Shanks could be based on Thor, a protector, a son of the heighest God. Fitting really well for Shanks. I would consider this God to be Roger with the Deity Odin. Odin has two Sons, Thor and Loki. We connected Thor to Shanks already, but look how well this fits. Who would be Loki if we think about that? Loki, brother of Thor, Loki, the God of Mischief... who would fit to the "Son of Roger", "Brother of Shanks" and "God of Mischief" better than... Buggy The Clown?? Buggy the Clown is Loki, God of Mischief, the brother of Thor. Buggy and Shanks are non biological brothers, "sons" of their Captain, of Odin/Roger. It fits.

So, back to Kid. Kid then is connected to the nordic myth and to Shanks. Some assumed Kid is maybe related to Shanks, but that doesnt have to be. Something else connects them, someone else. Its Killer. But to this point we come later (@rerere better take out some good wine, you will enjoy this!). Following the nordic myth, there i remembered a story my brother told my when i was a 8 years old. Our father just died and my (half)brother came to me, sat down, gifted me a stuff animal (Wölfi), a Wolf. He is a big fan of the nordic myth, so he told me a story about that. The Story of the God Tyr and Fenrir.

Tyr is a germanic god, the god of war and victory.

Tyr was mainly known for his countless wars, no matter if losing or winning, even when he lost everything, everyone considered him winning, cause he fought back always. Thats why he was also know as the god of victory. But what he is most known for is... his connection with Fenrir.

Fenrir is one of the strongest and mightest creatures in the nordic myth. He is a mystic wolf, so wild, dangerous and strong, not even the gods could tame him. They tried to chain him down, build the strongest chains they could even imagine. But Fenrir broke them with ease. So the gods startet a last attempt of chaining. They build a chain which was crafted of material, which isnt even existing. (i forgott them, but one part were the sound of footsteps from cats) They put Fenrir in these chains, but Fenrir just grew with the resistance, he got stronger and stronger, but the chains didnt break. Fenrir seemed to understand that some magic is behind the chains and he wont be able to break them. So he made an offer to the gods.

If one of the Gods trust him so far to put his Hand/Arm into Fenrir mouth, he will promise to follow the wishes of the gods. The Gods knew, Fenrir is a Son of Loki, his promised cant be trustet. Fenrir would bite of that hand immediately. So they hesitated, they were scared. All of them, except Tyr. Tyr stepped forward and without any word, he put his Hand in Fenrirs mouth, well knowing Fenrir will bite his hand/arm off. And Fenrir did, Fenrir know ate a bodypart of the Gods, which made him able to break these chains. But the moment he thought this, he sees the face and the thoughts of Tyr. He saw a smile in Tyrs face. He saw that Tyr knew Fenrir would bite his hand and he saw that Tyr trusts him to keep his promise, cause Fenrir never promised not to bite.

So Fenrir broke free, he broke his promise to the gods, he never listened to them or followed their orders. But he sticked to Tyr, he trusted Tyr more then anything else. He made sure Tyr will always get the victory he deserves. From this day one... Fenrir became Tyrs second arm.


Assumption:
Kids God/Deity is Tyr. The one armed God of War and Victory. A god known for his wars, fights and his unbreakable will to win. A god which always took the victory, even when he lost.



@rerere
But there is more. If Kid is Tyr, it is obvious what kind of Smile-DF Killer has eaten: Mystic Wolf; Model: FENRIR. In this assumption, Killer is no one else then Fenrir. Fenrir, the Wolf Tyr gave his arm for and the extremely dangerous creature which gave his trust only to Tyr.



But it keeps going. Remember my entrance? The connection to Shanks? Tyr lost his arm to get the trust of Fenrir. Kid took Killer away from Shanks, cause Killer originaly belonged to Shanks. And Kid offered Shanks his arm in exchange for his second arm, Killer. Kid never said his arm got cut of by a the Shanks Pirates. He only said he lost his arm to them. It always sounded unmatching for Shanks taking of an arm in my opinion. And Shanks didnt, Kid only lost his arm to them. Cause he offered it to them, for taking Fenrir/Killer away from their Chains. He freed Killer from Shanks and got Killers unbreakable trust in exchange.






TL;DR:

Kid -> Tyr
Killer -> Fenrir
Shanks -> Thor
Buggy -> Loki
Roger -> Odin​



So, share your thoughts, your critics, your additional ideas to it! I am always open to adjust my thoughts!

P.s.: @Red Admiral or @playa4321 could you link me your original theory about that, so i can link it?
Idk about all this, but Eustass said an interesting line Pretimeskip in Sabaody to Luffy.
If Oda is every bit as serious as portraying Kid as one of the next Great Pirates ~ Emperor¿

Then he should be focusing on Kids Conquerors Haki either in this arc, Elbaf (Shanks plotline) or Lodestar
 
#19
Oda is very attentive and propositive when it comes to mythological references and parallels so I would not be surprised if this theory was revealed to be factual.

It would also connect Luffy and Shanks with Luffy referenced to Joy Boy hence Elbaf.
 
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