Speculations Akainu is Not a Good Guy

#22
They do those executions no matter what, though.
They did it with Roger, for example.
It's not just to make a war.

My brother in christ, there were thousands of soldiers, Koby is never going to hold up ALL OF THEM by simply calling them out for their bull shit.
I never said it was purely to lure Whitebeard in, but that it was a reason.
A public execution is also a show of might and is also morally wrong - they could've killed him in Impel Down if just killing him was their priority.

As for Roger - eh, that was early series fuckery for one. Later it is halfway explained Roger disbanded his crew and gave himself up anyway so the ex Roger pirates probably respected his decissions. But arguing in either direction is just making up headcanons rn
 
#23
I never said it was purely to lure Whitebeard in, but that it was a reason.
A public execution is also a show of might and is also morally wrong - they could've killed him in Impel Down if just killing him was their priority.

As for Roger - eh, that was early series fuckery for one. Later it is halfway explained Roger disbanded his crew and gave himself up anyway so the ex Roger pirates probably respected his decissions. But arguing in either direction is just making up headcanons rn
Well yes, he just let them kill him because he was terminally ill, but that wasn't really the point.
But yeah, I suppose we should drop this lol
 
#24
I mean if anybody wants to make a persuasive argument about why Akainu actually is a good guy... this is the place to do it.

Otherwise, he's just one of the people who are going to be defeated eventually.
 
#25
Well yes, he just let them kill him because he was terminally ill, but that wasn't really the point.
But yeah, I suppose we should drop this lol
Btw I never said Koby wasn't right - he was, of course

But just from a military perspective it was not hisnplace to make such speeches when no war crimes were being commited. Did they mix up their priorities? Hell yeah, saving soldiers should've been number 1 on their to do list once Ace and WB were done in.
But it's not a war crime to instead go after the enemy and try to eradicate as many of them as possible.
 
#27
Btw I never said Koby wasn't right - he was, of course

But just from a military perspective it was not hisnplace to make such speeches when no war crimes were being commited. Did they mix up their priorities? Hell yeah, saving soldiers should've been number 1 on their to do list once Ace and WB were done in.
But it's not a war crime to instead go after the enemy and try to eradicate as many of them as possible.
Not a war crime. However, still questionable. For being so questionable, Luffy will answer him. We all already acknowledge this.

There is an agenda here. It's Luffy's Ideal agenda. In that agenda, nobody dies. Akainu's ideals differ greatly from Luffy's. (Well, people do die... but not for that reason. See Luffy Vs. Vivi for details).

This storybook is not a world where.... real world applications truly apply... not everybody gets their fair say in things. It's Luffy's way ONLY.

Akainu cannot be considered correct in Luffy's world, and IT IS Luffy's world.

It's an entire world created to show how Luffy is correct in everything... Blind Justice, Absolute Justice, and Lazy Justice are probably all going to be wrong.
 
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#29
Koby was actively trying to hinder the Marine's offensive against the pirates. That's paramount to turning your coat in the middle of battle

Plus it was a commodore (don't remember the rank) going against an admiral and calling him and the rest of the marines idiots. Waaaay overstepping the chain of command
Coby was even a commissioned officer yet in marineford he was a master chief petty officer
This the difference between them
 
#30
Akainu is a Monster, what other words are appropriate for him?

Absolute justice regardless of anyone does not only apply to people below it, but also to people above it, even dare to argue against the Gorosei.

The definition of justice held by Akainu is not in accordance with the true definition of justice. Iron-handed and has no values of Right or Wrong. beside him he is always right other than that he is wrong.

Mass murder of refugee civilians, killing soldiers who are fleeing war (even though fleeing war is a sin) and attacking opponents who are already helpless is not a form of justice.

If Akainu is in the field, the Impledown function will not be carried out, with his position as Fleet Admiral now his justice is paralyzed because the people under him have their own concept of justice except Ryokugyu.
 
#31
In most modern countries it’s a crime to dessert the army in battle (no fucking shit), and you can get the death penalty for it.

Akainu executing a deserter is no different from officers in real life
Without a trial, Akainu becomes the criminal.

He’s not a NATO general but a Wagner officer.
 
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Sasaki Kojirō

#32
Hi Worstgen,

I just want to remind everybody that Akainu is not being portrayed as a good guy.
- Akainu's sense of justice is, "Absolute Justice." It represents the very notion of, "The End Justifies The Means."
- Akainu kills his own men based on his own discretion.
- Luffy's sense of justice is, "Perfect Justice." It represents the notion of, "Always Being Correct". He is NEVER wrong.
- Luffy would never kill his own men. He would only kill their dream and that would probably also be in an effort to get them to become one of his crew again.

In other words... Akainu represents something that our perfect lil protagonist Luffy would never stand for. To really emphasize the point, ABSOLUTE means ABSOLUTE. Akainu is not changing. Luffy cannot change him. That means he has to die because Akainu will never give up his stance on things. If Akainu does not die, then that means he will be insisting on his, "The End Justifies The Means" agenda forever.

I honestly.... HONESTLY... doubt that Luffy is going to let Akainu continue with his, "Absolute Justice" forever. Not happening.
Yes, that's the kind of person Sabo hates the most.
 
#34
Yonkou fans are children, it's like they grew up around an environment where actual reality was cockblocked from them ever experiencing it

Akainu is a great guy



The desertion has always happened in history , in fact that shit still happens to this day

Akainu even gave the guy a chance
 
#37
He’s THE Marine. The SOP. The Perfect Soldier.
this may mean that, like the perfect soldier big boss from metal gear solid, he eventually ends up against everyone. i think akainu is a rare type at that high of a level because he actually believes in his code of justice. he's thorough and absolute. he doesn't bend the rules. in fact he's one of the only people who tried to stand up to the gorosei and argue with them over THEM possibly failing to adhere to the code of law.

so i think akainu will always be a villain to the straw hats because of their beliefs, they can never get along. but also akainu might turn against the government or try to take it over because he thinks he knows better than them about how to uphold the law. and then he would be a wild dog without a leash
 
C

Cruxroux

#38
Hi Worstgen,

I just want to remind everybody that Akainu is not being portrayed as a good guy.
- Akainu's sense of justice is, "Absolute Justice." It represents the very notion of, "The End Justifies The Means."
- Akainu kills his own men based on his own discretion.
- Luffy's sense of justice is, "Perfect Justice." It represents the notion of, "Always Being Correct". He is NEVER wrong.
- Luffy would never kill his own men. He would only kill their dream and that would probably also be in an effort to get them to become one of his crew again.

In other words... Akainu represents something that our perfect lil protagonist Luffy would never stand for. To really emphasize the point, ABSOLUTE means ABSOLUTE. Akainu is not changing. Luffy cannot change him. That means he has to die because Akainu will never give up his stance on things. If Akainu does not die, then that means he will be insisting on his, "The End Justifies The Means" agenda forever.

I honestly.... HONESTLY... doubt that Luffy is going to let Akainu continue with his, "Absolute Justice" forever. Not happening.
Bro finally completed Marineford 🥳🥳🥳.... keep reading
 
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