Speculations Akainu vs Dragon is imminent
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Great thread. Hope it happens. Both are very hyped and important characters at odds with each other. As leaders of their respective factions, they might not get action too often but this hypothetical fight would be legendary. Luffy facing Akainu wouldn't be prevented by this match-up. I think it'd be pretty cool for Oda to have the Admirals involved I'm battles now even if they have more to come, like Aokiji's fight against Garp and Kizaru's against Luffy, Akainu going up against Dragon doesn't mean Luffy can't get his payback against Sakazuki.
2 of the top 8 in the world going at it while in their primes? No matter if it's"only" Fleet Admiral of the Marines vs Supreme Commander of the Revolutionary Army or if there is indeed more to it like Dragon being ex-marine to spice it up this could well be the best clash in the series to date, rivaled only by Roger vs WB. Bring out the popcorn!
In my view right now (this was much, much harder than I imagined and I already regret some choices)
1-8
Akainu - Dragon - Shanks - Mihawk - Imu - Kong - Blackbeard - Luffy (no particular order)
9-16
Sabo - Kizaru - Kuzan - Fujitora - Ryukogyu - Beckmann - Magellan - Shiryu (no particular order)
17-24
Zoro - Kidd - Law - King - Katakuri - Marco - Chaton - Tensei (no particular order)
25-35: Gion - Yamato - Doflamingo post ID - Enel post Moon - Ochoku - CP-0 Boss - Lucci - Kuma with sound mind, Hancock, Crocodile (no particular order)
Oldies are dangerous first 30 minutes but their stamina is bad so I omitted them + Gorosei that are featless at the moment. Kong get an exception. Oldies: (Garp, Sengoku, Kong, Garland, Rayleigh)
In my view right now (this was much, much harder than I imagined and I already regret some choices)
1-8
Akainu - Dragon - Shanks - Mihawk - Imu - Kong - Blackbeard - Luffy (no particular order)
9-16
Sabo - Kizaru - Kuzan - Fujitora - Ryukogyu - Beckmann - Magellan - Shiryu (no particular order)
17-24
Zoro - Kidd - Law - King - Katakuri - Marco - Chaton - Tensei (no particular order)
25-35: Gion - Yamato - Doflamingo post ID - Enel post Moon - Ochoku - CP-0 Boss - Lucci - Kuma with sound mind, Hancock, Crocodile (no particular order)
Oldies are dangerous first 30 minutes but their stamina is bad so I omitted them + Gorosei that are featless at the moment. Kong get an exception. Oldies: (Garp, Sengoku, Kong, Garland, Rayleigh)
Most wanted man on the planet, father of the future pirate king, if dragon loses the fan base would explode in the worst way lmao
honestly akainu losing would probably give a similar reaction also. If it doesn’t end in a draw the fanbase probably riots
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Damn brother I was almost with you. I think Yamato should be higher after going toe to toe with Kaidou (I should probably reread because my memory is a bit fuzzy on how she did but I don’t remember it being negative)
I think kuma with sound mind, Hancock (probably an unpopular opinion), and crocodile should be higher however. Agree everywhere else
honestly akainu losing would probably give a similar reaction also. If it doesn’t end in a draw the fanbase probably riots
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Damn brother I was almost with you. I think Yamato should be higher after going toe to toe with Kaidou (I should probably reread because my memory is a bit fuzzy on how she did but I don’t remember it being negative)
I think kuma with sound mind, Hancock (probably an unpopular opinion), and crocodile should be higher however. Agree everywhere else
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Some may have already picked up on this, but it seems that this arc has set up the primary colour trio vs the Monkey D. trio. Firstly, we had Aokiji (and part of the Blackbeard Pirates) against Garp and the new age marines. Now, we're having Kizaru attempting to assassinate Dr. Vegapunk, with Luffy standing in his way as they try and escort him to safety. Now that we've just seen Akainu in action protecting Mariejois from Kuma, I believe that Oda is setting up the final confrontation: Akainu vs Dragon. Whether this is a full on fight, a clash, or just some sort of moment (i.e., revolutionaries trying to escape from the marines with Kuma), I'm not sure.
Since Dragon is scrambling to figure out where Kuma went, and the navy deems him a threat, I wouldn't be surprised if this is how they end up converging. Akainu has access to marines all across the 4 seas and grand line that can search for his wherabouts.
Based on the theme of the last two fights, I speculate that there is some sort of emotional connection between Akainu and Dragon. First we had Aokiji fight Garp, his mentor in the marines. Kuzan even said "you have a habit of raising enemies" which directly references both Dragon and Luffy. In this current battle on Egghead, we have Kizaru coming at odds with two of his old friends; Sentomaru (a "student" of his) and Vegapunk, another old friend that harnessed the power of his fruit for his government weapon development.
The marineford arc alludes to bad blood between Akainu and Dragon, as we see this burning animosity towards Luffy as "the son of Dragon." It's almost as if he cares more about the fact that he's the spawn of the worlds worst criminal than the fact that he's a supernova pirate.
An interesting detail is that Akainu and Dragon are both 55 years old. Perhaps this is a coincidence, but it makes me raise an eyebrow. Garp obviously would have wanted Dragon to become a marine, so perhaps they once trained together. I've seen numerous theories about Dragon defecting from the marines, and perhaps this could be Akainu's "friends to enemies" confrontation for the arc. I mean, I've always wondered what caused Dragon to have his perception of the World Government. It's almost as if he's following his own code of justice as the leader of the revolutionary army. While I'm not entirely sold on the Dragon marine theory, there's at least some form of bad blood between them. After all, "The World's Worst Criminal" is the direct foil to Akainu's ideals and his sense of justice. It may have been as simple as them being two friends that grew up together but some sort of event caused them to go their separate ways (like Shanks and Buggy). Imagine the chain of causality if Dragon kept seeing the darkness within the marines/WG and Sakazuki kept seeing the darkness within piracy. As Doflamingo said, justice is determined by the victor. There are good marines, bad marines, good pirates, bad pirates. That greyness leading them to their own senses of justice would be very impactful in a flashback.
Let me know what you guys think!
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Since Dragon is scrambling to figure out where Kuma went, and the navy deems him a threat, I wouldn't be surprised if this is how they end up converging. Akainu has access to marines all across the 4 seas and grand line that can search for his wherabouts.
Based on the theme of the last two fights, I speculate that there is some sort of emotional connection between Akainu and Dragon. First we had Aokiji fight Garp, his mentor in the marines. Kuzan even said "you have a habit of raising enemies" which directly references both Dragon and Luffy. In this current battle on Egghead, we have Kizaru coming at odds with two of his old friends; Sentomaru (a "student" of his) and Vegapunk, another old friend that harnessed the power of his fruit for his government weapon development.
The marineford arc alludes to bad blood between Akainu and Dragon, as we see this burning animosity towards Luffy as "the son of Dragon." It's almost as if he cares more about the fact that he's the spawn of the worlds worst criminal than the fact that he's a supernova pirate.
An interesting detail is that Akainu and Dragon are both 55 years old. Perhaps this is a coincidence, but it makes me raise an eyebrow. Garp obviously would have wanted Dragon to become a marine, so perhaps they once trained together. I've seen numerous theories about Dragon defecting from the marines, and perhaps this could be Akainu's "friends to enemies" confrontation for the arc. I mean, I've always wondered what caused Dragon to have his perception of the World Government. It's almost as if he's following his own code of justice as the leader of the revolutionary army. While I'm not entirely sold on the Dragon marine theory, there's at least some form of bad blood between them. After all, "The World's Worst Criminal" is the direct foil to Akainu's ideals and his sense of justice. It may have been as simple as them being two friends that grew up together but some sort of event caused them to go their separate ways (like Shanks and Buggy). Imagine the chain of causality if Dragon kept seeing the darkness within the marines/WG and Sakazuki kept seeing the darkness within piracy. As Doflamingo said, justice is determined by the victor. There are good marines, bad marines, good pirates, bad pirates. That greyness leading them to their own senses of justice would be very impactful in a flashback.
Let me know what you guys think!
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Honestly, I do not know what the fuck about Dragon vs. Akainu would be the "deepest and most emotional" fight. I have seen people say this about a conflict between the two pretty often at this point, and I just don't get it. Dragon is just objectively in the right to rebel, and Garp much less Akainu has any leg to stand on for supporting the current status quo like they do.
Fuck the world government in its current form. We know the end goal of the story will be to dismantle Imu, the Gorosei, and the Celestial Dragon systems. Dragon is fighting to make that happen, while Akainu is literally the World Governments dog. He directly supports and works for the Celestial Dragons, and during his tenure as Admiral, he served as their literal attack dog if they got hurt.
What kind of conversation are they supposed to have?
It's why I never got how people honestly expected Oda to write Dragon and Garp having anything resembling a discussion because it would make Garp look like shit to such a degree Oda could never write it.
Akainu can have the best backstory in the series about how some rebel group in his home country killed his parents, or whatever the fuck, he will never look good in comparison to Dragon or the Revos on any other occasion when it comes to a conflict that is beyond "he looks cooler/is stronger" because, again, NONE of the Admirals (bar only Fuji due to his actions) get to talk SHIT about morals, ethics, or most outrageous of all Justice.
"Muh, but what about bad pirates, though?" Dragon isn't a pirate, and the Revos have never been portrayed as having even one bad egg among them to the best of our knowledge, with their sole goal being to free countries and protect the population. Hell, they aren't even radical in their belief system and want a worldwide democracy or some shit! They want to keep the World Government, but just literally remove the Celestial Dragons and their godawful corruption and evil caused by them, Imu and the Gorosei.
If ANY character in the story is against that, how can Oda portray them in any way, even vaguely resembling a sympathetic viewpoint when contrasted with Dragon? Like, dont get me wrong would be cool to see these two fight but if they have anything resembling a conversation Dragon bodies Akainu verbally in like two pages max.
Fuck the world government in its current form. We know the end goal of the story will be to dismantle Imu, the Gorosei, and the Celestial Dragon systems. Dragon is fighting to make that happen, while Akainu is literally the World Governments dog. He directly supports and works for the Celestial Dragons, and during his tenure as Admiral, he served as their literal attack dog if they got hurt.
What kind of conversation are they supposed to have?
It's why I never got how people honestly expected Oda to write Dragon and Garp having anything resembling a discussion because it would make Garp look like shit to such a degree Oda could never write it.
Akainu can have the best backstory in the series about how some rebel group in his home country killed his parents, or whatever the fuck, he will never look good in comparison to Dragon or the Revos on any other occasion when it comes to a conflict that is beyond "he looks cooler/is stronger" because, again, NONE of the Admirals (bar only Fuji due to his actions) get to talk SHIT about morals, ethics, or most outrageous of all Justice.
"Muh, but what about bad pirates, though?" Dragon isn't a pirate, and the Revos have never been portrayed as having even one bad egg among them to the best of our knowledge, with their sole goal being to free countries and protect the population. Hell, they aren't even radical in their belief system and want a worldwide democracy or some shit! They want to keep the World Government, but just literally remove the Celestial Dragons and their godawful corruption and evil caused by them, Imu and the Gorosei.
If ANY character in the story is against that, how can Oda portray them in any way, even vaguely resembling a sympathetic viewpoint when contrasted with Dragon? Like, dont get me wrong would be cool to see these two fight but if they have anything resembling a conversation Dragon bodies Akainu verbally in like two pages max.