Break Week Akainu vs. Strawhats (without Luffy)

[soupongo]

That is fair. But you also have to consider that base Luffy neg diffs 3/4 of the crew. No one below Jinbei is taking an ACoC named attack in base. Luffy could save G5 until he wants to end the fight.

Is anyone disputing that Luffy easily beats most strawhats lol?

 

[DonWick]

Is anyone disputing that Luffy easily beats most strawhats lol?

Man I get clowned for saying Luffy solos the crew

 

[ZenZu]

That is fair. But you also have to consider that base Luffy neg diffs 3/4 of the crew. No one below Jinbei is taking an ACoC named attack in base. Luffy could save G5 until he wants to end the fight.

Luffy can't afford to be in base because Zoro, Sanji and Jimbei will be on his ass. They will force him to go into higher gears right away or he dies, it's not like Luffy gets to just go 1v1 with the fodders with them around.

 

[DonWick]

Luffy can't afford to be in base because Zoro, Danji and Jimbei will be on his ass. They will force him to go into higher gears right away or he dies.

That’s not true remember in Wano Luffy displayed the ability to use G4 attacks from base. On top of that he’s way faster than Jinbei and Zoro. He can also use FS to be more accurate with his attacks. Sanji is the only one likely fast enough to keep up with Luffy but he’s not strong enough to stop Luffy. Luffy’s shown the ability to tank Sanji’s strongest attacks without any trouble.

So if Luffy goes on a rampage and blitzes the weaker Nami or Robin Sanji will step in but Luffy will know using FS and be able to easily deal with Sanji.

 

[ZenZu]

That’s not true remember in Wano Luffy displayed the ability to use G4 attacks from base. On top of that he’s way faster than Jinbei and Zoro. He can also use FS to be more accurate with his attacks. Sanji is the only one likely fast enough to keep up with Luffy but he’s not strong enough to stop Luffy. Luffy’s shown the ability to tank Sanji’s strongest attacks without any trouble.

So if Luffy goes on a rampage and blitzes the weaker Nami or Robin Sanji will step in but Luffy will know using FS and be able to easily deal with Sanji.

Nah FS isn't good for dealing with multiple people and multiple factors. It has holes. Luffy isn't dealing with the strawhats in base, too dangerous for him.

The difference with Akainu is he has AOE where the weaker fighters get wiped out with him needing to attack them 1 by 1. He can just turn the entire floor to lava, they would struggle just surviving. Also only a handful of strawhats can even touch him being a logia. He can straight up stand there and ignore everyone. Luffy would still get fucked up by Franky's radical beam for example.

It's a very different fight for Luffy than it is Akainu.

 

[DonWick]

Nah FS isn't good for dealing with multiple people and multiple factors. It has holes. Luffy isn't dealing with the strawhats in base, too dangerous for him.

The difference with Akainu is he has AOE where the weaker fighters get wiped out with him needing to attack them 1 by 1. He can just turn the entire floor to lava, they would struggle just surviving. Also only a handful of strawhats can even touch him being a logia. He can straight up stand there and ignore everyone. Luffy would still get fucked up by Franky's radical beam for example.

It's a very different fight for Luffy than it is Akainu.

He only has to worry about Sanji with FS no one else is fast enough to intercept him if he blitzes weaker crewmates in base. Or he could go gear 5 initially, make target Zoro and Sanji, make quick work of them and Bajrang Gun the remainder of the crew.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Nah FS isn't good for dealing with multiple people and multiple factors. It has holes. Luffy isn't dealing with the strawhats in base, too dangerous for him.

The difference with Akainu is he has AOE where the weaker fighters get wiped out with him needing to attack them 1 by 1. He can just turn the entire floor to lava, they would struggle just surviving. Also only a handful of strawhats can even touch him being a logia. He can straight up stand there and ignore everyone. Luffy would still get fucked up by Franky's radical beam for example.

It's a very different fight for Luffy than it is Akainu.

Tbf adv coc G4 gatling will clear all except wings. Even Zoro will have hard time blocking it. Only sanji can dodge it due to his speed.

 

[ZenZu]

Tbf adv coc G4 gatling will clear all except wings. Even Zoro will have hard time blocking it. Only sanji can dodge it due to his speed.

They won't be grouped all together for Luffy to just wail at.

If he uses this, Sanji can kick Luffy in the face from the side, which would interrupt it? You get the picture? It's hard to take on an entire team of characters when they got some really powerful characters mixed in with them.

I think if Luffy loses track of Zoro he can die, if he loses track of Sanji, he will get interrupted.

 

[MonsterKaido]

They won't be grouped all together for Luffy to just wail at.

If he uses this, Sanji can kick Luffy in the face from the side, which would interrupt it? You get the picture? It's hard to take on an entire team of characters when they got some really powerful characters mixed in with them.

I think if Luffy loses track of Zoro he can die, if he loses track of Sanji, he will get interrupted.

It depends on starting conditions but Luffy has FS and can instantly start with G4 gatling. Luffy was taking drunken Kaido's attacks so no one bar Zoro is even a threat to him.

 

[ZenZu]

It depends on starting conditions but Luffy has FS and can instantly start with G4 gatling. Luffy was taking drunken Kaido's attacks so no one bar Zoro is even a threat to him.

Franky's lasers would still be a threat to anything outside of G5. And also it is hard to just focus on Zoro when Sanji, Jimbei are backing him up.

Zoro can finish him, he just needs a solid distraction from the others. One Zoro attack can end it, so it would be best for Luffy to go G5 right off the bat too risky otherwise.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Franky's lasers would still be a threat to anything outside of G5. And also it is hard to just focus on Zoro when Sanji, Jimbei are backing him up.

Zoro can finish him, he just needs a solid distraction from the others. One Zoro attack can end it, so it would be best for Luffy to go G5 right off the bat too risky otherwise.

Bruh lasers are trash. Bonney , Franky all endured stronger lasers from Kizaru.

You are underestimating luffy's resilience. Kaido's attacks are stronger than Zoro and Luffy ate bunch of them. This without G5.

 

[DonWick]

They won't be grouped all together for Luffy to just wail at.

If he uses this, Sanji can kick Luffy in the face from the side, which would interrupt it? You get the picture? It's hard to take on an entire team of characters when they got some really powerful characters mixed in with them.

I think if Luffy loses track of Zoro he can die, if he loses track of Sanji, he will get interrupted.

Sanji used his most powerful attack on Luffy in tandem with others attacking him and Luffy didn’t move. Also Luffy can just attack Sanji because he knows it’s coming. The problem is Luffy has the advantage all the time. The haki difference was just shown in the last chapter.

The strawhats spreading out give Luffy more of an advantage.

 

[ZenZu]

Bruh lasers are trash. Bonney , Franky all endured stronger lasers from Kizaru.

They didn't. Radical beam is > anything that Bonney or Franky took, they took that little scattered pebble shower from Kizaru to clear the way he didn't charge a beam at any of them except when Sanji kicked one away. Only Luffy took and ate a concentrated beam in G5. Beams were highlighted even as a problem for Seraphim and BM durability let alone Luffy.

You are underestimating luffy's resilience. Kaido's attacks are stronger than Zoro and Luffy ate bunch of them. This without G5.

Resilience matters little against Zoro, he is too lethal. Luffy can't afford to let a single high end attack land. In a 1v1 Luffy can deal with this since he can focus on Zoro and put up barriers to defend, but it gets considerably harder when Sanji and Jimbei are helping Zoro set up.

 

[MonsterKaido]

They didn't. Radical beam is > anything that Bonney or Franky took, they took that little scattered pebble shower from Kizaru to clear the way he didn't charge a beam at any of them except when Sanji kicked one away. Only Luffy took and ate a concentrated beam in G5. Beams were highlighted even as a problem for Seraphim and BM durability let alone Luffy.


Resilience matters little against Zoro, he is too lethal. Luffy can't afford to let a single high end attack land. In a 1v1 Luffy can deal with this since he can focus on Zoro and put up barriers to defend, but it gets considerably harder when Sanji and Jimbei are helping Zoro set up.

Kizaru's beams >> Franky's beams. L drake in pre skip endured Kizaru's beam.

I don't think so. Luffy endured Kaido's attacks in drunken mode. He can definitely endure bunch of Zoro's attacks before going down. Let's agree to disagree on this.

 

[ZenZu]

Kizaru's beams >> Franky's beams. L drake in pre skip endured Kizaru's beam.

Enduring doesn't mean anything they would still damage Luffy. He has to look out for them was my point.

I don't think so. Luffy endured Kaido's attacks in drunken mode. He can definitely endure bunch of Zoro's attacks before going down. Let's agree to disagree on this.

That's not how lethal attacks work. If Zoro and Kaidou clashed, Kaidou would win, but you would rather take Kaidou's attacks than Zoro's because Zoro can maim you. It's the same with Akainu's meigou for example, rather get hit with Kaidou's death destroyer even if it's probably stronger.

Sure.

 

[Blazing Lion]

Jinbei almost got turned into a donut like Ace. Aokiji lost a leg. WB got a hole punched in him and lost half of his face.

Zoro doesn’t stand a chance really. He probably pushes him to mid diff. I can’t think of a scenario where Zoro wins that fight.

What has Akainu going for him except his position?

 

[SkySanji]

Straw Hats win quite easily, Akainu is actually probably the worst Admiral for this matchup, he has power but practically no mobility or solid defense, it'll be quite easy for Zoro to land a devastating hit with the rest of the Straw Hats serving as distractions.

 

[Blazing Lion]

Zolo was getting burnt by King Diable Jambe

Against Akainu Zoro gets melted low-diff in 5 seconds

Yeah and WB and Roger and Garp and Shanks are somehow fire and magma immune. When bums like Crocodile can land attacks on Akainu then Zoro can one shot him, it wont be sand slicing him in two, he wont be able to reform at all.

 

[RyoQ]

Yeah and WB and Roger and Garp and Shanks are somehow fire and magma immune.

They aren't and get microwaved in seconds too

Mere humans like Zolo getting cut by Killers farming tool or Loden getting 1 shot by Kaido nameless sneak could never handle a meigo
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...mediocre-to-average-natural-durability.68601/

 

[DonWick]

What has Akainu going for him except his position?

I think the post your responding to answers that