Controversial Am I the only one that baffles about this? (Part 2)

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Part 1 here if y'all are interested: https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/am-i-the-only-one-that-baffles-about-this.55586/

Anyway, so the topic of this thread will be about the retainers/vassal generals of Great Generals.

As we know, it's common knowledge that most generals and great generals all have general-rank vassals/retainers serving under them. Even commanders all have their own vassals as well.

Ouki --> Has Tou, Rokuomi, Ryuukoku, etc.
Renpa --> Kaishibou, Rinko, Genpou, Kyou'En.
Riboku --> Bananji, Shunsuiju, Keisha, Futei, Kaine, etc.
Kochou --> The Three Dukes.
Ousen --> Akou, Makou, Denrimi, Sou'Ou.
Shibashou --> Kansaro, Gakushou, Jiaga, Jyoukaryuu, Fuuon.
Gohoumei --> Junei, Ryuuhan, Ranbihaku and that one guy who got one shotted by Gen'U that I don't even bother remembering his name.
Etc.

You get the idea.

And then there are some Great Generals that don't even have a single general serving under them or at least no confirmation of them having a general-rank vassals/retainers.

Those are Duke Hyou, Gokei, Gekishin, Ordo, Earl Shi and maybe Gaimou? Not sure if his strategist, Junsou is general-rank or not. And if I happens to forgot somebody, y'all can fill me out on that.

Anyhow, these 6 Great Generals including Gaimou don't seem to have a general serving under them. Is there a particular reason why? Perhaps you could say that Ordo's vassals don't go by military ranks but with their tribal chiefs ranks instead, kinda like Yotanwa's army where Bajio is not classified as a "General" but he's still a right hand man of YTW who is a Six Great General.


What about the others? Even Kanki and Moubu have at least one general serving under them (Raido, Ringyoku, Raiki).


And second major question, what about the vassals of GGs like Hakuki, Kyou, Chousha, etc.?

Rinshoujou's vassals, Gyou'Un and Chougaryuu got introduced in Shukai Plains. Do y'all think we might see vassals of the OG Six Greats and Chousha in the future? Or do you think they're all retired or die from illness/warfare and Hara wouldn't even bother showing them?


Would love to hear some opinions for this! @Lee Ba Shou @Owl Ki @TheKnightOfTheSea @RayanOO @Bepo @FutureWarrior123 @Bullet @Cichy @Pirao @God Buggy etc etc.

 

[Cichy]

Ouki's vassals were not generals, they were "army commanders" whatever this means.

Rokuomi, Ryuukoku and Kanou were eventually promoted to generals, but it was after Coalition War. Tou became general soon after his masters death.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Ouki's vassals were not generals, they were "army commanders" whatever this means.

Rokuomi, Ryuukoku and Kanou were eventually promoted to generals, but it was after Coalition War. Tou became general soon after his masters death.

Bruh, Hara is really ambiguous when it comes to making generals lol.

I could have sworn that they got labelled as generals in Bayou but I could be wrong.

 

[Owl Ki]

Gokei did have Generals as subordinates though not particularly good ones. Kyuu Gen was a General, Haku Ki Sai was a General and that Shuki/Maki duo were later retconned into Generals.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Gokei did have Generals as subordinates though not particularly good ones. Kyuu Gen was a General, Haku Ki Sai was a General and that Shuki/Maki duo were later retconned into Generals.

Bruh, I forgot about those guys.😂😂

 

[Pirao]

I'm sure they had generals under them, it's just that they weren't relevant enough to the plot to be introduced during those campaigns. For example, during Mougou's mentioned Han campaign, Kanki and Ousen weren't yet introduced because there was no need for it. During Sanyou or Coalition we didn't see any of Ousen's subs and only a couple from Kanki.

During Dakan plains, similar to the sexy-eyed Black dragon dude that got killed by Gokei at the beginning, I'm sure the 6 armies under Duke had other generals, they just weren't important to the plot. Just like Domon during the Gyou campaign, he appeared once in a meeting in Ousen's tent and then we never saw him again, because he wasn't relevant to the plot.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

During Dakan plains, similar to the sexy-eyed Black dragon dude that got killed by Gokei at the beginning,

Lol, ain't that the guy who Gokei held his head in his debut lol? I remember someone make a joke about his head look like a bread. Or am I actually high?

 

[Bepo]

The most reasonable answer here is that Hara just ascribes vassals to a commander depending on how he wants to have the circumstances of a particular battle be. For example, it makes sense that someone like Earl Shi doesn't have vassals because the point of the Choyou campaign was for Ouhon to duel him and move on. Hara is not going to unnecessarily extend things, especially when you consider that people like Earl Shi and Gaimou were high-tier fighters anyway.

 

[Owl Ki]

As for the others:

1) Duke Hyou probably ends up killing any subordinate of quality with his meat grinder tactics.

2) Gekishin wasn't around in the story long enough for Hara to justify creating subordinates for him. You could argue the same for Earl Shi as well.

3) Ordo simply hasn't been the focus of a campaign yet. Once wars against Yan commence then Ordo will likely get some named subordinate Generals.

4) Earl Shi and Gaimou weren't very active for long as Great Generals. It could be that they never got enough time to get General level subordinates or perhaps they did have General level subordinates but lost them in the Fire Dragon civil war. Shi especially was known for his headstrong assaults.

5) I think Hara probably doesn't want to pull out too many old gen Q6 subordinates. He probably doesn't want to make it feel like there is an endless supply of old subordinates to bolster any Qin loss. Creating problems out of nowhere for the protagonists is fine, it is an unexpected curve ball that can challenge them. Creating solutions out of nowhere for the protagonists is entering arse pull territory.

Maybe some Oukotsu retainers might show up to assist Ousen since the latter is the head of the Ou family but there probably won't be many old Q6 subordinates turning up.

7) Mah lad Choukotsu is gonna have his grandpappy's subordinates to help him reclaim the Chou family throne, baby!

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

The most reasonable answer here is that Hara just ascribes vassals to a commander depending on how he wants to have the circumstances of a particular battle be. For example, it makes sense that someone like Earl Shi doesn't have vassals because the point of the Choyou campaign was for Ouhon to duel him and move on. Hara is not going to unnecessarily extend things, especially when you consider that people like Earl Shi and Gaimou were high-tier fighters anyway.

Fair enough then.

1) Duke Hyou probably ends up killing any subordinate of quality with his meat grinder tactics.

Lmao true, his vassals probably dies before they even reach general rank lol.

2) Gekishin wasn't around in the story long enough for Hara to justify creating subordinates for him. You could argue the same for Earl Shi as well.

3) Ordo simply hasn't been the focus of a campaign yet. Once wars against Yan commence then Ordo will likely get some named subordinate Generals.

4) Earl Shi and Gaimou weren't very active for long as Great Generals. It could be that they never got enough time to get General level subordinates or perhaps they did have General level subordinates but lost them in the Fire Dragon civil war. Shi especially was known for his headstrong assaults.

5) I think Hara probably doesn't want to pull out too many old gen Q6 subordinates. He probably doesn't want to make it feel like there is an endless supply of old subordinates to bolster any Qin loss. Creating problems out of nowhere for the protagonists is fine, it is an unexpected curve ball that can challenge them. Creating solutions out of nowhere for the protagonists is entering arse pull territory.

Maybe some Oukotsu retainers might show up to assist Ousen since the latter is the head of the Ou family but there probably won't be many old Q6 subordinates turning up.

Fair enough.

7) Mah lad Choukotsu is gonna have his grandpappy's subordinates to help him reclaim the Chou family throne, baby!

Man, imagine if Choukotsu actually got carried by his army instead?

Mougou vibes.