General & Others Am I the only one who is getting annoyed by the way BM is always badly portrayed just so that the Mugiwaras survive?
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At WCI imo she was not badly portrayed. She's scary when she's on the run for cake.
As for the last chapter, I guess she's fine. It's epic humor chapter before the serious one because the match is start from now. Just because the chapter does not end with BM scary cliffhanger, it does not mean she's not scary.
She's scary when she about to slash franky. But thanks to the SHs teamwork that BM can get banged together
As for the last chapter, I guess she's fine. It's epic humor chapter before the serious one because the match is start from now. Just because the chapter does not end with BM scary cliffhanger, it does not mean she's not scary.
She's scary when she about to slash franky. But thanks to the SHs teamwork that BM can get banged together
Atleast in Whole Cake Island there were plot devices, plot convinience and a lot of plot armour to protect against BM. But in Wano, their is virtually no excuses to give her. She is at 100% full strength and comptency.....and she is still getting mauled and embrassed.
To the point people are claiming that she is not agile....thats why she is losing. What a pathetic claim....is she not a Yonko. She must be able to defeat anyone she can that is below her.....but she cant and they are keep showing they can handle her with ease.
Its beyond absurd....
Its pathetic that this is how Oda would treat the strongest woman in his universe.
To the point people are claiming that she is not agile....thats why she is losing. What a pathetic claim....is she not a Yonko. She must be able to defeat anyone she can that is below her.....but she cant and they are keep showing they can handle her with ease.
Its beyond absurd....
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Its pathetic that this is how Oda would treat the strongest woman in his universe.
She's powerful, but also a big, unreasonable, and gluttonous baby. That's been consistent ever since WCI revealed her true nature. It's not surprising that she gets repeatedly bamboozled in the same way an infant would.
Given that, it's completely in character for her to get clowned. She'll be fine. Get with the times and stop clinging to your false images of her constructed at a time we didn't know much about her. Lmao Her own children treat her with kiddy gloves. She interacts with everyone in the verse the same way a child would. It's just that she can kick everyone's ass that they keep acquiescing to her unreasonable requests and deluded ramblings.
Your expectations of her character=/=the reality. Cry more.
If the straw hats were to clown anyone who's super powerful, it's her. Queen would be another choice, but it wouldn't have as much weight for the GOATs of the story.
Franky giving any amount of respect to her would be out of character for him. That was a perfect encounter IMO.
Given that, it's completely in character for her to get clowned. She'll be fine. Get with the times and stop clinging to your false images of her constructed at a time we didn't know much about her. Lmao Her own children treat her with kiddy gloves. She interacts with everyone in the verse the same way a child would. It's just that she can kick everyone's ass that they keep acquiescing to her unreasonable requests and deluded ramblings.
Your expectations of her character=/=the reality. Cry more.
If the straw hats were to clown anyone who's super powerful, it's her. Queen would be another choice, but it wouldn't have as much weight for the GOATs of the story.
Franky giving any amount of respect to her would be out of character for him. That was a perfect encounter IMO.
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Well, Oda knows that his fans will laugh it off and continue call him GoDa, Oda knows that one piece fans are like a cult that can't possibly criticize its leader Oda for bad doing. Just accept, that if one piece community was more demanding and held Oda accountable then this BS wouldn't have happened in first place. But laugh it off guys, Laugh it off... I'll see you crying when he does this to others, I mean it will never happen to others right, right? I fucking hope so, cuz you will cry, a lot.
There are plenty of reasons to criticize One Piece and Oda's writing. Big Meme is a far cry from one. Around here I mostly see people getting pissy when their delusional head canon gets destroyed. They'll wank characters like Katakuri (irrelevant for the grand scheme of things), then get mad when his momma gets smacked by GOATs of the story like Franky. You think Franky gives 2 shits about a big baby like Big Mom? There was no other way for this encounter to go.
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It's not about characters but rather Oda's writing quality, you do the same mistake blaming and rewarding characters. Franky and Katakuri have nathing to do with this situation, nether people hyping them. People should hold Oda accountable, only in that case Oda's writing quality can be consistent with pre-timskip quality, as long as Oda is sure that people will read one piece no matter what he does he will continue choosing the easier root which will decrease writing quality.
I don't think anything about my point, I'm just supporting my position with manga facts:
-That they are in fact intelligent, since Napoleon was shown not only managing the intel of Whole Cake and reporting to Linlin but was also able to make hypothetical predictions out of the information available. This is far more than "speak the universal story language".
-That they aren't reluctant to fight, since they instantly went attack mode as soon as they thought (weren't even sure about) that Linlin was threatened (even if she was sleeping) or activated the moment she summoned them for a battle.
It doesn't matter whether this happened yesterday or many volumes ago because I'm discussing inconsistencies in how these characters (yes, characters) behave and, as obvious, to do so I'd have to go back and compare current decisions to previous ones. Because, well, that's how you determine whether a character is consistent or not.
-That they are in fact intelligent, since Napoleon was shown not only managing the intel of Whole Cake and reporting to Linlin but was also able to make hypothetical predictions out of the information available. This is far more than "speak the universal story language".
-That they aren't reluctant to fight, since they instantly went attack mode as soon as they thought (weren't even sure about) that Linlin was threatened (even if she was sleeping) or activated the moment she summoned them for a battle.
It doesn't matter whether this happened yesterday or many volumes ago because I'm discussing inconsistencies in how these characters (yes, characters) behave and, as obvious, to do so I'd have to go back and compare current decisions to previous ones. Because, well, that's how you determine whether a character is consistent or not.
So you're going by an indiscriminate attack on a pest and how it doesn't line up with having several advanced targets at once.
Those actions make perfect sense when you follow the idea that they're weapons with limited agency and thought. Fragments of her soul that apologize when attacking Nami, or even attack mama through SH manipulation.
If you treat them like separate characters, however, I can understand that the best you really have to tie it together is Luffy's old "it's a mystery" shtick.
Those actions make perfect sense when you follow the idea that they're weapons with limited agency and thought. Fragments of her soul that apologize when attacking Nami, or even attack mama through SH manipulation.
If you treat them like separate characters, however, I can understand that the best you really have to tie it together is Luffy's old "it's a mystery" shtick.
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Most of the weird situations involving the homies, if not all of them, had Zeus as their focus. Zeus is the dumbest of them, to the point of its design including the typical child cap to stress its innocence (and even then, he's intelligent enough to develop a sufficient degree of free will, emotions and thought). On the contrary, you have Napoleon managing Whole Cake's schedule and predicting outcomes of Luffy's quest to save Sanji; you have Prometheus taking the initiative to attack lots of different characters in the Seducing Woods while reprehending Zeus's stupidity; you have Randolph being entrusted a mission for the important task of cooking the cake; you have King Baum falling in love and betraying its queen; you have the Noble Crocodile living by himself and socializing with other members of the crew as equals... All of these aren't behaviors that just a weapon with limited agency and thought would be able to do.
Whether it was an "indiscriminate attack on a pest" (or on Carrot, for the matter, or anybody else being persecuted by Prometheus in the woods, or lots of homies that have been shown carrying misions by themselves) or not, the point is that they can in fact react to a threat and attack without a direct order or supervision. Therefore it makes total sense to expect them to at least try to stop the attack on Big Mom. Whether they would be outnumbered and unable to do anything because their intelligence is limited or not is irrelevant because I'm not asking for a strategy here or some complex counter, but simply doing something as they did many times during Whole Cake; be it react to a threat and go berserker, get ahead to attack the enemies without direct manipulation of Linlin or prevent her from falling to the sea.
Nothing of what you said stops them from repeating such things, and that's why their behavior isn't consistent.
Whether it was an "indiscriminate attack on a pest" (or on Carrot, for the matter, or anybody else being persecuted by Prometheus in the woods, or lots of homies that have been shown carrying misions by themselves) or not, the point is that they can in fact react to a threat and attack without a direct order or supervision. Therefore it makes total sense to expect them to at least try to stop the attack on Big Mom. Whether they would be outnumbered and unable to do anything because their intelligence is limited or not is irrelevant because I'm not asking for a strategy here or some complex counter, but simply doing something as they did many times during Whole Cake; be it react to a threat and go berserker, get ahead to attack the enemies without direct manipulation of Linlin or prevent her from falling to the sea.
Nothing of what you said stops them from repeating such things, and that's why their behavior isn't consistent.
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This is not just wrong...
This is trash...
Oda rewrite whole BM character for that point. We know that BM was introdiced as crazy mastermind, who could set up Red Wedding just for her goal, who didn't care about Luffy in WCI case she knew that he will be captured and he was. Her part of really becaming insane was her weakness from one hand, but from other it was her strong side, case in madness she became most dangerous. This Big Mom was Yonkou who did not feared Kaido and home come to made Alliance.
That character dissapeared in Wano, case now Big Mom became stupid, also she became really weak, case her potraying as O Lin or LinLin here was just for luls.
More important that SH now even not struggling withher, they deal with her like a scrub, while as we remember Robin wasn't able defeat even Diamante.
So yes, this is obviosly ass shit writing, and Loda said rhat this arc will be similar to Marinford?!
Also I fear that even final arc will be like this ... this is trash and I'm not enjoying it at all.
This is trash...
Oda rewrite whole BM character for that point. We know that BM was introdiced as crazy mastermind, who could set up Red Wedding just for her goal, who didn't care about Luffy in WCI case she knew that he will be captured and he was. Her part of really becaming insane was her weakness from one hand, but from other it was her strong side, case in madness she became most dangerous. This Big Mom was Yonkou who did not feared Kaido and home come to made Alliance.
That character dissapeared in Wano, case now Big Mom became stupid, also she became really weak, case her potraying as O Lin or LinLin here was just for luls.
More important that SH now even not struggling withher, they deal with her like a scrub, while as we remember Robin wasn't able defeat even Diamante.
So yes, this is obviosly ass shit writing, and Loda said rhat this arc will be similar to Marinford?!
Also I fear that even final arc will be like this ... this is trash and I'm not enjoying it at all.
It's annoying and disappointing. I think Big Mom had the potential to be a really menacing character, her devil fruit is really creative, having the weather element in her weapon arsenal, being able to take people's soul and create an army of inanimate objects, probably the strongest woman in One Piece. I think she is really cool.............in theory. But Oda just keeps embarrassing her and like @Buusatan94 said, it is awful that Oda keeps nerfing Big Mom and making her get humiliated because he can't find any other ways for the SHs to win other than doing that. Honestly, at this point I think I would of been happier if Bege's supposedly weapon worked instead of making Big Mom somehow not catch the SHs or Jinbe---letting them all escape and now getting bowling ball rolled out by Robin in Wano.
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title: no. you are certainly not the only one
I do not really care.
any other character in her place would not be allowed to off a Straw Hat member either.
Kuzan did not kill any of the SHs in LRLL or W7 or EL. Akainu, Kuzan and Kizaru collectively failed to take out Luffy. Fujitora became a fanboy instead of fighting seriously. Kuma was just testing the SHs cohesiveness. Kizaru got blue balled by Kuma and Rayleigh.
Magellan did not put Luffy out of his misery and instead allowed him to get healed.
I am more interested in why Oda has kept her arround for so long.
I do not really care.
any other character in her place would not be allowed to off a Straw Hat member either.
Kuzan did not kill any of the SHs in LRLL or W7 or EL. Akainu, Kuzan and Kizaru collectively failed to take out Luffy. Fujitora became a fanboy instead of fighting seriously. Kuma was just testing the SHs cohesiveness. Kizaru got blue balled by Kuma and Rayleigh.
Magellan did not put Luffy out of his misery and instead allowed him to get healed.
I am more interested in why Oda has kept her arround for so long.