Anime confirms enma is power up

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
So you are saying Zoro is lying when he says it's the limit of his ability? Better yet you think Zoro places beating king above his own and luffy's life? Make it make sense.
No I'm saying zoro had a MINDSET change after the flashback
Zoro can go all out like he did vs kaido without trying to kill himself.
After the flashback zoro stopped holding anything back.
 
Of course he can. You can go all out without trying to kill yourself.
Which is what zoro stopped doing when he released all his haki.
Anime and manga made it clear
Zoro is the one who released all his haki
He can swap enma for a stick and the same thing would happen
Also show another character that camykill themselves with haki? That's only exclusive to enma and wasn't even possible before wano because enma forces out haki past the user limit of they don't reach a certain level naturally
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Also show another character that camykill themselves with haki? That's only exclusive to enma and wasn't even possible before wano because enma forces out haki past the user limit of they don't reach a certain level naturally
Because no one fights like that it's a stupid way to fight.
Even luffy in g4 has a cap. Where he has to rest. He doesn't push past that and use up his life force instead.
 
No I'm saying zoro had a MINDSET change after the flashback
Zoro can go all out like he did vs kaido without trying to kill himself.
After the flashback zoro stopped holding anything back.
Again Zoro said it was his limit and zoro can not lie about it being his limit. He attacked kaido with the mindset of putting everything into his attack yet that everything wouldn't include his strongest haki? And again do you think Zoro places beating king above his own and luffy's life as that what was on the line.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Again Zoro said it was his limit and zoro can not lie about it being his limit. He attacked kaido with the mindset of putting everything into his attack yet that everything wouldn't include his strongest haki? And again do you think Zoro places beating king above his own and luffy's life as that what was on the line.
He can. He is at his limit. He didn't push past to kill himself to use more power.
You've been proven wrong by the manga and anime
 
Because no one fights like that it's a stupid way to fight.
Even luffy in g4 has a cap. Where he has to rest. He doesn't push past that and use up his life force instead.
We learned from luffy when you reach your limit your haki turns off automatically. You can't naturally go last your limit. Enma forces more haki than you mastered out which is why it kills people. It's not that it's stupid characters fight all the time with their lives on the line all the time. Why wouldn't they use extremely powerful haki to try and win if they die if they lost anyway?
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He can. He is at his limit. He didn't push past to kill himself to use more power.
You've been proven wrong by the manga and anime
I have not you are saying Zoro wrong about Zoro and it wasn't zoro's limit like he said. You are saying Zoro lied and he thinks king is more important than Luffy and his own life.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
We learned from luffy when you reach your limit your haki turns off automatically. You can't naturally go last your limit. Enma forces more haki than you mastered out which is why it kills people. It's not that it's stupid characters fight all the time with their lives on the line all the time. Why wouldn't they use extremely powerful haki to try and win if they die if they lost anyway?
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I have not you are saying Zoro wrong about Zoro and it wasn't zoro's limit like he said. You are saying Zoro lied and he thinks king is more important than Luffy and his own life.
Because losing =/= dying
 
Because losing =/= dying
He didn't know he wouldn't died vs kaido. Losing could have easily killed him and Luffy had Luffy not woke back up. Zoro didn't know what would happen which is why he said he was putting everything in his attack because he was trying to put kaido down. But according to you Zoro lied and didn't put everything he had into the attack and king is more important than than stopping kaido from killing him and Luffy
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
He didn't know he wouldn't died vs kaido. Losing could have easily killed him and Luffy had Luffy not woke back up. Zoro didn't know what would happen which is why he said he was putting everything in his attack because he was trying to put kaido down. But according to you Zoro lied and didn't put everything he had into the attack and king is more important than than stopping kaido from killing him and Luffy
Luffy putting all his haki in wouldn't have made him beat kaido so moot point.
Hes not lying he gave everything he had like luffy gives all his haki in g4
Not until the flashback does he start using his life force as well.
If he was doing the same vs kaido then there would have been green smoke and black lightning on asura
 
Luffy putting all his haki in wouldn't have made him beat kaido so moot point.
Hes not lying he gave everything he had like luffy gives all his haki in g4
Not until the flashback does he start using his life force as well.
If he was doing the same vs kaido then there would have been green smoke and black lightning on asura
It's not that it would beat kaido but that zoro's mindset was to put kaido down so why hold his haki back? Had Zoro failed he understood his life and luffy's life were in the balance at the mercy of kaido who already expressly said how he was going to kill luffy. So I ask again is beating king above zoro's own life and luffy's? Zoro himself said he put everything into that attack so is he lying? Better yet if current Zoro attacked kaido with everything he had would there be green aura haki?
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
It's not that it would beat kaido but that zoro's mindset was to put kaido down so why hold his haki back? Had Zoro failed he understood his life and luffy's life were in the balance at the mercy of kaido who already expressly said how he was going to kill luffy. So I ask again is beating king above zoro's own life and luffy's? Zoro himself said he put everything into that attack so is he lying? Better yet if current Zoro attacked kaido with everything he had would there be green aura haki?
Why you repeating the same thing I already told you.
Zoro doesn't have a mindset change until the flashback
Until then he never risked his life with his haki
Ask me again
 
Why you repeating the same thing I already told you.
Zoro doesn't have a mindset change until the flashback
Until then he never risked his life with his haki
Ask me again
He's always risked his life multiple times throughout the story. So you are saying Zoro wasn't fighting risking his life with arlong? So in baratie when Zoro expressly said he'd die for his dream he wasn't risking his life vs mihawk? You are saying Zoro wasn't fight risking his life with daz bones? You are saying Zoro wasn't fight risking his life vs Mr 3 where he was literally about to cut his legs off to escape death? Are you saying he wasn't risking his life when he fought Kuma? Etc damn near every arc Zoro has fought risking his life you are just making something up for the character when that's never been a issue. Now your argument is that Zoro wouldn't fight risking his life despite that being core to his character that he isn't afraid to die for his dream and the dreams of the crew? It almost like you don't even know the character and are just making up something because you don't want sword powers helping zoro. The mindset change wasn't about risking his life but accepting not controlling enma as it's not the right way to use the sword. And even if you use the anime the drawing ability enma has when hand in hand with zoro's heart so even trying to use the anime you are wrong it was enma still doing it.

Now I ask again is king above his own and luffy's life? Is he lying about putting everything into his attack?
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
He's always risked his life multiple times throughout the story. So you are saying Zoro wasn't fighting risking his life with arlong? So in baratie when Zoro expressly said he'd die for his dream he wasn't risking his life vs mihawk? You are saying Zoro wasn't fight risking his life with daz bones? You are saying Zoro wasn't fight risking his life vs Mr 3 where he was literally about to cut his legs off to escape death? Are you saying he wasn't risking his life when he fought Kuma? Etc damn near every arc Zoro has fought risking his life you are just making something up for the character when that's never been a issue. Now your argument is that Zoro wouldn't fight risking his life despite that being core to his character that he isn't afraid to die for his dream and the dreams of the crew? It almost like you don't even know the character and are just making up something because you don't want sword powers helping zoro. The mindset change wasn't about risking his life but accepting not controlling enma as it's not the right way to use the sword. And even if you use the anime the drawing ability enma has when hand in hand with zoro's heart so even trying to use the anime you are wrong it was enma still doing it.

Now I ask again is king above his own and luffy's life? Is he lying about putting everything into his attack?
You've lost the argument. Now you're being retarded.
Risking your life is irrelevant when you don't have the power
Coby isn't gonna have acoc risking his life vs alvida pre skip.
 
You've lost the argument. Now you're being retarded.
Risking your life is irrelevant when you don't have the power
Coby isn't gonna have acoc risking his life vs alvida pre skip.
You are the one claiming Zoro would not fight risking his life. I literally shown you and you are just trying to change a core part of his character dating back to baratie. So now you are claiming it and already proved Zoro risked his like to fight you have to prove Zoro wouldn't fight using his life.

I'll ask yet again by manga zoro's own words is he lying? And is beating king above zoro's own life and luffy's life?
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
You are the one claiming Zoro would not fight risking his life. I literally shown you and you are just trying to change a core part of his character dating back to baratie. So now you are claiming it and already proved Zoro risked his like to fight you have to prove Zoro wouldn't fight using his life.

I'll ask yet again by manga zoro's own words is he lying? And is beating king above zoro's own life and luffy's life?
I've answered it ten time. You can risk yourself without killing yourself.
 
I've answered it ten time. You can risk yourself without killing yourself.
You said Zoro wouldn't fight trying to kill himself? It's on you to show that as Zoro has always shown that. Zoro literally was fighting on deaths door vs arlong killing himself. You are just wrong.

Again is Zoro lying about putting everything he had into his attack? Is beating king above zoro's own life and luffy's life. Literally kiado would have tried to kill both had Luffy not woke up and Zoro understood this. His life already at risk. In fact to even put him in that state Zoro suicided himself in front of hakai.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
You said Zoro wouldn't fight trying to kill himself? It's on you to show that as Zoro has always shown that. Zoro literally was fighting on deaths door vs arlong killing himself. You are just wrong.

Again is Zoro lying about putting everything he had into his attack? Is beating king above zoro's own life and luffy's life. Literally kiado would have tried to kill both had Luffy not woke up and Zoro understood this. His life already at risk. In fact to even put him in that state Zoro suicided himself in front of hakai.
Zoro has never fought using all his haki at once.
Ask me again
 
Zoro was already low on haki after first blocking hakai by creating almost island sized barrier and fighting two emperors. He had most of his bones broken on top of that, in that state going all out meant relying on his strongest ability to make one last effort. Zoro wasn't in good enough condition to be releasing all of his haki.
 
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