Character Discussion Anime once again destroyed the Haters.

[Artem]

And so. The manga showed the Bitches that there is no haki oden in enma, but only a piece of the spirit of Oden, which Kaido felt. After all, the souls of the owners live in their blades of the staff of death. This does not give any power bonuses, but you can feel a piece of the soul of the previous owner. 1084 series Zoro once again confirmed that there was no haki orden, but only a piece of the soul that Kaido felt. Cry Bitches

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

This does not give any power bonuses,

Kawamatsu explicitly stated that it indeed does: "The soul that resides in a katana makes a samurai strong, and enables him to destroy his enemies".

PD: anime isn't canon. It made Brook suffer from electrocution, had Hawkins saying Drake was the 1% man, turned Trébol into a logia user and so on. Anime can't destroy anybody.

 

[Artem]

Kawamatsu explicitly stated that it indeed does: "The soul that resides in a katana makes a samurai strong, and enables him to destroy his enemies".

PD: anime isn't canon. It made Brook suffer from electrocution, had Hawkins saying Drake was the 1% man, turned Trébol into a logia user and so on. Anime can't destroy anybody.

Makes it stronger not directly, but spiritually of course.
When Mihawk said in the first fight that he had not seen such a force for a long time, he knew how to take into account the strength of his spirit, not physical.

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

Makes it stronger not directly, but spiritually of course.
When Mihawk said in the first fight that he had not seen such a force for a long time, he knew how to take into account the strength of his spirit, not physical.

Except for:

1) It isn't said in a spiritual context. Kawamatsu is talking about getting stronger and enabling you to physically defeat enemies in battle.

2) A stronger spirit leads to stronger overall. Whether it is directly or not, it makes you stronger at the end of the day.

Again, a sword canonically can make you stronger because it carries the soul of its previous user. Which isn't surprising once we remember how Big Mom didn't warn Kaidou about Zoro's dangerousness but his sword's.

 

[Artem]

Except for:

1) It isn't said in a spiritual context. Kawamatsu is talking about getting stronger and enabling you to physically defeat enemies in battle.

2) A stronger spirit leads to stronger overall. Whether it is directly or not, it makes you stronger at the end of the day.

Again, a sword canonically can make you stronger because it carries the soul of its previous user. Which isn't surprising once we remember how Big Mom didn't warn Kaidou about Zoro's dangerousness but his sword's.

1 If it were so, Zoro would have defeated everyone with Shusu (perhaps the strongest swordsman of all time Ryuma owned it). 2. Bm felt that this sword was unusual, as the creator of this sword also said, who felt trembling and trembling when taking it in his hands (this is a similar effect to the cursed blades of Kitetsu)

 

[ShiShiShi]

 

[trav]

Ever since King laughed about Zoro getting defeated by his own sword it was crystal clear that Enma was a nerf.
Anyways, anime has its own sub forum.

 

[zenox]

hasnt the topic of oden's haki been fucked by oda 1000 times ?

its nothing but a copium tool made by anti-zorobros trying to downplay his rooftop feats

 

[ShadowStyle369]

Let em cope lol we know it’s all zoro greatness

 

[Killerj]

The spirit thing looks a like a steep up from just haki/ we are in shaman king now

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

1 If it were so, Zoro would have defeated everyone with Shusu (perhaps the strongest swordsman of all time Ryuma owned it). 2. Bm felt that this sword was unusual, as the creator of this sword also said, who felt trembling and trembling when taking it in his hands (this is a similar effect to the cursed blades of Kitetsu)

No, because one thing is a sword giving you a power bonus, and the other giving you the full, exact same strength of the previous user in spite of only having part of their soul.

You said:

This does not give any power bonuses

And this is factually false as per canon material. Period. While this doesn't mean that Zoro was using Oden's haki, which I don't agree with either, it's deeply dishonest to deny that Oden left something in Enma that added to Zoro's overall strength, both according to Kawamatsu's explanations and the way characters like Kaidou and Big Mom reacted to Enma instead of Zoro.

And it's okay, really. Zoro becomes significantly weaker without his swords. Zoro has been growing stronger by taming his powerful swords since day one. It's just natural for him, and Wano simply elaborated on swords' lore.

So again, saying that the soul in the sword doesn't give any power bonus is false. If you want to be dishonest towards your own object of interest then perfect for you, but I will stick to explicit, canon information when it comes to understanding swordsmanship in this story. Zoro received Enma; Zoro became stronger thanks to Enma; and this involved Enma's own properties regarding haki and what Oden left in it. Simple as that.

 

[Artem]

No, because one thing is a sword giving you a power bonus, and the other giving you the full, exact same strength of the previous user in spite of only having part of their soul.

You said:



And this is factually false as per canon material. Period. While this doesn't mean that Zoro was using Oden's haki, which I don't agree with either, it's deeply dishonest to deny that Oden left something in Enma that added to Zoro's overall strength, both according to Kawamatsu's explanations and the way characters like Kaidou and Big Mom reacted to Enma instead of Zoro.

And it's okay, really. Zoro becomes significantly weaker without his swords. Zoro has been growing stronger by taming his powerful swords since day one. It's just natural for him, and Wano simply elaborated on swords' lore.

So again, saying that the soul in the sword doesn't give any power bonus is false. If you want to be dishonest towards your own object of interest then perfect for you, but I will stick to explicit, canon information when it comes to understanding swordsmanship in this story. Zoro received Enma; Zoro became stronger thanks to Enma; and this involved Enma's own properties regarding haki and what Oden left in it. Simple as that.

Of course, I do not agree with the fact that every owner leaves a piece of "real" power in the sword. Ryuma level kp lvl, dade if he leaves a piece of strength in the blade, any bum from East blue will become the strongest swordsman in the whole district just by taking a shusui in his hands, which is nonsense. A bum will remain a bum with a shusu or with a sword with Aliexpress. Some swords are hundreds of years old and they had at least 10 owners, and if everyone leaves a piece of real strength in the blade, the homeless person who picked up the sword will become quite strong, which is also nonsense. No real power, just samurai shit from Middle-century Japan, where they believed that inheriting the katana of their father or brother would become stronger in spirit, because part of it lives in the blade. Bm felt the bloodthirsty blade that its creator spoke about, which caused trembling and trembling. Kaido felt the energy of Oden, the previous owner, from the blade. Some of the energy is also applied to the other sword Ama no habakiri. But that doesn't mean Momo will use Oden's hacks.