Questions & Mysteries Another Plot Hole

[Blazing Lion]

For plot/story development Oda does the stupidest or incoherent shit that he wants. The most recent example of CoC being the answer for HKs. Now this was not absolutely stated (the official will clear shit up probably) but it was heavily implied when Gaban talked to Luffy about how he uses ACoC and immediately follows up with saying that the HKs are not immortal. Then we also get Loki saying that he now understands what his power is and that he too can fight the HKs. And then we get Gaban talking to Zoro about recognizing and using ACoC.

The problem then becomes that Gaban knows how to hurt the HKs, he has history or is known to Sommers. If Gaban has CoC and he knows that with ACoC he can hurt HKs then why did he not use it against Sommers. Weirdly the panel with most likely ACoC usage is his FS panel where he attacks Gunko. So we have a few options on what happened in Gaban vs Sommers fight.
Gaban does not have ACoC
Gaban is rusty and could not use ACoC like he wanted/it was weak
Gaban has ACoC but chose not to use it against Sommers
There is regen limit and with ACoC you can get to that point quicker

The last one is probably a valid option since we see that Sommers did not immediately regen like others and that he is feeling the pain/has taken damage but is still regenerating because the regen limit has not been reached.

 

[Salah WG]

Great Observation.
However, Gaban clearly have CoC Coating imo,
But apparently it only slows their Regen as you said (Reaching it's Limit Quicker), couldn't have said it any better,

CoC Application that can actually Kill Holy Knights is not Mastered by Gaban,
And this isn't something New, Hyogoro also Explained Internal Destruction even though He can't use it,
So Gaban might be similar case,

This Reveals Two things for us:

1. Countering their Regen might not necessarily require Adv. CoC, but it still would need Attacks of Highest Caliber
2. Countering their Immortality does require Adv. CoC, but it's a Unique Application that even Someone Comparable to Roger doesn't have

Spoiler: Three Levels of Haki

I've always believed that when it comes to Basic Haki, Everyone can Unlock CoO & CoA, but Only Few can Unlock CoC,
Same for CoA Alone, Everyone can Unlock Hardening & Barrier, but Only Few can Unlock Internal Destruction,

So the Idea is that there are Two Levels that can be Taught, but Third One cannot be,
In CoO, instead of Internal Destruction, We got Voice of All Things,
So CoC as well, should have it's own Level 3 Application that even Best CoC Users can't Learn, only Fated to have it,

Also Internal Destruction allow you to Destroy what Refuses to be Destroyed right?
And Voice of All Things allow you to Detect what cannot be Detected right?
Then imo Level 3 CoC should allow you to Conquer what cannot be Conquered, which imo is Death itself,

This is Huge Hype for Luffy, Zoro & Loki, cuz it suggests They can Unlock such CoC Power,
And finally, how can you Conquer Death if you don't Sense it? Which might finally explain why Zoro saw Shinigami after He Unlocked CoC,
And also explains why Luffy had to Experience Death, and why it was the Condition to Awaken his Fruit, cuz Sun God is Natural Enemy of these Demons, and it could also be related to why Loki covers his Eyes ... etc

 

[Desolate Smaug]

what are you talking about. All Gaban attacks since he fought Luffy and Zoro have had those black lightening that show COC usage!
And what do you mean he didn't deal with Sommers? he injured him enough to make him unable to regenerate for a while. If it was a proper 1 vs 1 he would have moved in and crushed his head or whatever you need to kill off those guys. It's factual correct to say he two shorted Sommers.

 

[Blazing Lion]

what are you talking about. All Gaban attacks since he fought Luffy and Zoro have had those black lightening that show COC usage!
And what do you mean he didn't deal with Sommers? he injured him enough to make him unable to regenerate for a while. If it was a proper 1 vs 1 he would have moved in and crushed his head or whatever you need to kill off those guys. It's factual correct to say he two shorted Sommers.

Did you read the post? The effect of CoC as interpreted on HKs does not align with what was shown. Sommers hand cut off and then he gets sliced in two so if CoC counters the immortality hax and Gaban used CoC then Sommers should be dead.

 

[Kair0s1]

For plot/story development Oda does the stupidest or incoherent shit that he wants. The most recent example of CoC being the answer for HKs. Now this was not absolutely stated (the official will clear shit up probably) but it was heavily implied when Gaban talked to Luffy about how he uses ACoC and immediately follows up with saying that the HKs are not immortal. Then we also get Loki saying that he now understands what his power is and that he too can fight the HKs. And then we get Gaban talking to Zoro about recognizing and using ACoC.

The problem then becomes that Gaban knows how to hurt the HKs, he has history or is known to Sommers. If Gaban has CoC and he knows that with ACoC he can hurt HKs then why did he not use it against Sommers. Weirdly the panel with most likely ACoC usage is his FS panel where he attacks Gunko. So we have a few options on what happened in Gaban vs Sommers fight.
Gaban does not have ACoC
Gaban is rusty and could not use ACoC like he wanted/it was weak
Gaban has ACoC but chose not to use it against Sommers
There is regen limit and with ACoC you can get to that point quicker

The last one is probably a valid option since we see that Sommers did not immediately regen like others and that he is feeling the pain/has taken damage but is still regenerating because the regen limit has not been reached.

We still don’t fully understand how the power works. As of now, I’d say the reason is probably that Gaban is rusty and couldn’t use ACoC the way he wanted, or maybe he was just holding back. He literally said he was in a rush to save the kids, so he might’ve used the bare minimum amount of Haki needed to neutralize Sommers.

Also, it’s not even clear whether Sommers recovered on his own. Imu showed up on the island right after. Maybe without that, it would’ve taken longer, or he wouldn’t have been able to regenerate at all, or he would've just slowly died.

 

[HerreraIsBack]

Hyogoro also Explained Internal Destruction even though He can't use iy

Did he? I thought he just said it was an advanced technique and proceeded to teach Luffy how to use the one he knows. After that Luffy learned by his own the internal destruction one.

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And Voice of All Things allow you to Detect what cannot be Detected right?

Where did you saw that? Momonosuke doesn't have any kind of haki. He just born with Voice of All Things, like Luffy and Roger. Is not like Internal Destruction and Coating Conqueror that a lot more of people have it. And honestly Coating Conqueror seems a pretty easy application once you understand that's a possible thing. At least that's how Luffy seemed to be.

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And finally, how can you Conquer Death if you don't Sense it? Which might finally explain why Zoro saw Shinigami after He Unlocked CoC,
And also explains why Luffy had to Experience Death, and why it was the Condition to Awaken his Fruit, cuz Sun God is Natural Enemy of these Demons, and it could also be related to why Loki covers his Eyes ... etc

Nah this doesn't seems right.

The shinigami plot so far is completely bullshit. We lack explanation if Oda ever do it. Just like the Shusui thing.

Luffy dying to awaken his DF is also bullshit. Law and Kid didn't had to go through it.

 

[sanzolu]

For plot/story development Oda does the stupidest or incoherent shit that he wants. The most recent example of CoC being the answer for HKs. Now this was not absolutely stated (the official will clear shit up probably) but it was heavily implied when Gaban talked to Luffy about how he uses ACoC and immediately follows up with saying that the HKs are not immortal. Then we also get Loki saying that he now understands what his power is and that he too can fight the HKs. And then we get Gaban talking to Zoro about recognizing and using ACoC.

The problem then becomes that Gaban knows how to hurt the HKs, he has history or is known to Sommers. If Gaban has CoC and he knows that with ACoC he can hurt HKs then why did he not use it against Sommers. Weirdly the panel with most likely ACoC usage is his FS panel where he attacks Gunko. So we have a few options on what happened in Gaban vs Sommers fight.
Gaban does not have ACoC
Gaban is rusty and could not use ACoC like he wanted/it was weak
Gaban has ACoC but chose not to use it against Sommers
There is regen limit and with ACoC you can get to that point quicker

The last one is probably a valid option since we see that Sommers did not immediately regen like others and that he is feeling the pain/has taken damage but is still regenerating because the regen limit has not been reached.

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