Final Game/setup thoughts and comments on everyone's play and what i liked in the game:
i think the game was very very winnable for town but required more accurate reads or using more killshots. there were alot of townies killed by town, and the inactive townies didnt get to do much with their roles or visit map, unfortunately alot of these were powerful roles that town needed to cook. from setup standpoint, town had multiple roles built to fight off against the different scum factions. its like an RPG. the cookest alignments win.
anti-town came down to 2 roles basically,
viktor and
rictus. unfortunately for town those 2 were the only anti town roles with passive extra vote power, but more so viktor is a late game powerhouse by design. naomi's role was mostly dry by late game
and unfortunately the roles that were most suited against viktor were
ekko and
jayce which are also pro-town's strongest roles. ekko can undo actions, bring back town, uncult, protect them from kills, learn identity of town players, kill silco/viktor , and jayce is a powerhouse with infinite superkills and great crystal generation, defenses, and offenses. both went very underutilized.
i think mafia/viktor did well in their own too. avoiding that many kills in aries game isnt an easy feat.
@Random Asshole basically got away with it all game and didnt catch a bullet until the end and
@Naomi did good job masking her stuff, although slipped a bit here and there like claiming rolecopping reloady right after a red rolecop appeared in writeup was a major slip that town didnt push on.
there was a total of 1 kill from town (well semi-indie) aimed at both naomi and RA which says enough at how well they were hidden.
i think alot of town played well too hence why the game got close, maybe some trigger happy here and there, but one major thing i was surprised about is
@Worst claiming
the black rose and surviving till the end lol. town had roles that can kill indies and none of them was fired on him, this costed them greatly later as worst was responsible for 2 town deaths at the end, and he also cucked soul's role from killing scum
my favorite team this game would probably be
chaotic evil. good job lads
@Mr. Reloaded @Alexis2282AE @Charlie . i think they did well and used their abilities smartly. was hoping to see a bit more of jinx creating fake writeups and lie detects etc.. but hey 2 is good enough for 2 cycles. they know they didnt have fake claims and played to their strength and knew that they'd probably have to sacrifice some of them for the victory and played for it. was great play and focus on wincon guys, well earned. also
@Charlie is pretty good with actions and using game events.
Charlie/Isha was this game's MVP for me. cool calm collected and chills until the end. good team.
i liked
@Ali v2 playing
silco as well and cooking with the godfathers. got a bit tilted at the end by
lawful evil's actions in killing jinx but that's just how mafia go. every faction wants to survive. they didnt know that they could have merged so they killed a threat to them. crossfire is always to be expected in
@Ariess games too. ultimately ali came in clutch with the buffs that he gave to mafia and it helped them score kills they otherwise wouldnt have
neutral evil lads unfortunately were all super inactive. they didnt make a single fake action nor used more than 3 abilities the whole game. kind of an unfortunate rand to not get an inactive cook in the team.
@Psylocke and
@Jaguark101 were busy irl,
@York probably burned from last game and
@T-Pein™ subbed in but jag got outed few minutes after b4 tpein could do much. unfortunate rand to get for a fast paced game.
lawful evil lads were actually cooking the most in mafia, and some of it was overcooking lol. i like that they were proactive with actions. thats how mafia needs to be i think your team played very well with that
@Yo Tan Wa @Naomi @Pot Goblin . you werent suspected in thread outside of pot, but yo tan and naomi were only shot at by scum. thats a good feat. your roles were not meant to be the strongest because u have the ability to appear townie and mask yourselves. thats pretty powerful in the right hands on its own. appreciate all the effort yall put into this, it was great seeing all the cooking and i am sorry for all the frustrations the umbrella rule caused. the game was designed around it this way so i hope u understand. alot of what happens in aries game can come from things out of your control like a merge,
silco helping you, other factions killing townies etc.. you never have to win this alone as 3 vs 29 lol.
now for
true neutral lads,
@Random Asshole it looks like the restriction against umbrella shots all being usable in same cycle messed with ur approach to the role alot but i generally found some actions from you to be more toward pushing an agenda or meme than playing to win lol. you expended extra resources just to re-cult flower and pot, those recourses could be expended getting 1.5x as many culted players or using more of your culted roles like controlling
@Ratchet 's role in addition to
@Pot Goblin 's role. for the cultees themselves,
@Flower ratchet, pot, and even RA himself didnt interact much with the game events and didnt benefit from items, inventions and crystals. thats alot of power you are missing in your quest. in
@Ariess games interacting with events is almost vital to win. it looks like your team was frustrated at viktor's lack of power but it was by design. he is made to be a late game powerhouse. the last bit is about viktor's role being complimented by sky's role. had sky not being janitored viktor wud be alot stronger in the mid game. i designed viktor to be weaker than silco, jayce, and ekko, but thats because he becomes a monster later and that's exactly what happened. overall i think your team mostly just needed to stay as your alignment says... a
true neutral, aka how RA always plays lol. good job on the victory lads. sometimes just surviving is enough to see the other side destroy itself. don't have to make fancy plays an all that. the game ended with a simple yet brilliant viktor passing his vote down to flower play lol.
and for my
chaotic neutral lads
@Gadonkadonk @Fujishiro 1.0, idk what to say lol, i am gonna just hit you with the :jerrykek emote. gad played for the memes and fuji brutally bussed him. as long as yall had fun feel free to do what you want lol. funny enough because chaotic neutral died too early
viktor's team had to suffer alot of uncluting from
red and
silco. fortunately for scum this was compensated by
jayce,
ekko, and
vi being inactive or else both cults wud suffer much more this game. the lynch redirect on fuji was a cherry on top lol
now for my indies
@Stargate18 Lawful Unknown - i didnt expect u to open claim ur role that quickly tbh. ur given a fake claim so u do not risk becoming too protown and dying to mafia. ur role can be extremely protown and is very oppressive and strong if the right townies abused the right wishes. this could get u killed right away if u tilted mafia lol. i think u settled down a bit later and wanted to help mafia too but unfortunately got too inactive to carry ur last 2 prayers to win. overall a very powerful and abusable role. town cud have been more creative with handling it to win.
@Fujishiro 2.0
chaotic neutral - this was a meme role and u played it like a coward by being friends with everyone smh. next time i should give mafia kills specifically for indies, that way indies dont buddy buddy with town/mafia lol. eitherway good game mate and hope u had a blast with a role that u enjoy and hope irl stuff gets better
@Worst Chaotic Unknown - my nibba! you cooked yourself first, then somehow cooked town after you. i really dont know how someone claims the equivalent of blackbeard in marineford arc or something and still gets away with it lol. your cooking at the end and killing michelle was clutch otherwise you wud have lost so good job clutching this one from out of town lol even after a rough start
@T-Pein™ and
@Polar Bear Lawful Good and
Chaotic Good - you guys were supposed to be the pillars of town. unfortunately you may not be too accustomed to aries games but a quick look at your role and you can tell how broken each of you was. town really needed more of you guys. i understand real life happens though so rip
and lastly
neutral good
man we've got alot of cooks here and some players that didnt get a chance to do much. our major town cook and
town MVP is @Peroroncino . lad took hextech nuke and cooked with it, killing total 3 scum iirc between the nuke and his abilities. found
ekko and used most of his role well. could have maybe healed michelle before dying but i dont remember if michelle claimed poisoned or not before he died. overall pretty good game m8. was pretty active and solving too
@Yoho was cooking too against
lawful evil and helping clear town until he got got. he shot gad during the night and the confuse wud have failed on him since caitlyn is immune to redirections anyway kek. gg m8 hope u had a blast. unfortunately
ambessa got killed and janitored before the battleship lol
@Red Night was solving early with first role and then cooking at the end with 2nd role he killed 2 scums and gave town a fighting chance at the end. his first role died too early before getting to use alot of his cop abilities unfortunately.
@Fujishiro 1.0 you were cooking, and by cooking i mean high quality meals. with that obviously you knew u were getting fked lol. a cult into a lynch redirect is just the classic for you in these games, not much to say lol. atleast u were able to win with your second role. your first role technically got dragged over into the
zaunite crimelords and won so congrats for winning twice lol.
@SoulKiller you were actually cooking with actions for most part on a medium strength role which was amplified by you getting a second role via an item. unfortunately the characters r probably not ones u enjoy much though. man ud have been cooking alot more as the pilot of ekko or even jayce too for instance. your reads unfortunately got muddied mid game. killing
@T-Pein™ /
jayce ultimately hurt town alot but its hard to disagree with that kill given T-Pein's contributions were very minimal at the time and there was no distinguishing if he's town or not at that point. the kill on
singed was good (funny its tpein again), but then your activity really hurt you when it came down to being faster than
the black rose.
@Worst had the activity advantage over you letting him cuck u faster than u refilling ur superkill. i wonder who u wud have killed, if it's
@Charlie u wud have nailed scum and actually prevented
chaotic evil from winning potentially since
@Mr. Reloaded doesnt have minigun and can only factional kill at night. also unfortunately the umbrella usage rule fked u over but i thought that was a general aries rule, im surprised myself. its listed in the OP but generally i thought everyone knew.
@Crying bc no Cryo was kinda trigger happy vig in a funny way, burning all killing load early hoping to nail scum and die is actually not a bad way to play aries games. unfortunately killed a townie though but imagine if u nailed viktor early there kek. you contributed to outing
chaotic neutral, the other cult which is good on its own. in an alternate universe this cult could have been a nightmare. finding any anti town is always good play here. unfortunately also got unlucky with not getting much from the map visits.
@Flower @Ratchet @Lindltaylor @Destroya 1.0 all died too early before being able to get value out of their roles. flower/ratchet were later on culted and dest was subbed in for an anti-indie role. unfortunately didn't pull the trigger on
the black rose which might have helped town alot late game. may i know why you were merciful to the black rose,
@Destroya ? at least you also contributed to outing
Chaotic Neutral while you lasted lol. as for the rest,
@Ratchet /
@Flower /
@Lindltaylor not much to be said, yall are early fear kills and town should generally try to expend more protects to keep yall alive but you know in these games mafia always fires first so rip. in lind's case unfamiliarity with his play led to him getting misfired. ratchet was killed by scum masking their kill as town.
@Lord Melkor @Michelle melkor was really busy irl and joined to help out with the numbers which i really appreciate. he correctly found flower town and sent her a cop shot but she died and was culted soon after. michelle subbed in really late into the game when it was hard to be accurate with all the waters being muddied. she correctly found soul town and gave him the kill later. if she was subbed earlier or a bit active earlier in the day might have been able to cook earlier and use her ultimate to refill her cop and gun and basically pass 2 copies of them total in the game. i also feel a bit guilty here since i saw a question from her about 2 hour+ after it was asked which might have delayed her action until she went to sleep. i did this with mostly all alignments as i was processing too much stuff but it cud have affected her the most so im sorry for that
@LethalBanks @Alwaysmind @Hayumi @lemon.de man i wish we could see more from you guys. i know real life and stuff happen but these games become a blast the more people contribute. each of you dying or being subbed while barely using your role is unfortunate. its even more unfortunate in lethal's case because he wasnt available to claim vi at the end. that claim could have changed the course of the lynch. also congrats on your win hayumi xD this is bayleth 2.0 i guess
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closing thoughts -
overall im pretty happy with how the game played out honestly. i think we made some good memes and had some good time. its the purpose of these games really. you're here for a good time not a long time. shit post, throw some kills, use some mech and help solve the big puzzle. there is something to do in the game no matter what your alignment is! i am again looking forward to hear feedback from everyone regarding the style of this aries games with open claiming and 3 mafia factions with unique style of play and i hope to be able to host something like this in the future again. good game everyone and really appreciate everyone's time to play this!!
p.s
@Ariess need u to tell me what u think about the game bro, was really hoping ud play to experience player PoV of your game lol
@Yo Tan Wa
