Controversial Are the HKs well-known by the public?
- Thread starter Shiroyru
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I think they were known before God Valley until that incident.
As you can see, Celestial Dragon were roaming around with Garling and the other 3 Holy Knights and had free reign bullying and kidnapping people from islands to islands and using them for slave/entertainment purpose.
They weren’t expecting Xebec to retaliate to get his treasure back so the Gorosei ordered them to stay in Marijoa ever since then to stop that from happening again.
Elbaf giants have long lifespans so timewise it fits with this. That also explains why Brook recognize them.
As you can see, Celestial Dragon were roaming around with Garling and the other 3 Holy Knights and had free reign bullying and kidnapping people from islands to islands and using them for slave/entertainment purpose.
They weren’t expecting Xebec to retaliate to get his treasure back so the Gorosei ordered them to stay in Marijoa ever since then to stop that from happening again.
Elbaf giants have long lifespans so timewise it fits with this. That also explains why Brook recognize them.
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I would say it's somewhere in the between. It's known but not nearly as known as the marines so most of the population does not know about their existence since this is a very niche militant group which only go in action for niche political stuff. However, I wouldn't say it's something the WG is trying to actively guard either. Anyone can know about it if they look for it, I'd bet most people just do not bother
I don’t think they are well known, but I don’t think they are especially hidden knowledge either. It’s more that the majority of the world will never come across them, and the Celestial Dragons feel no need to advertise their inner workings to the world. The HK’s only seem to do work relevant to the CD’s and the grand destroy the world plan.
It’s not like the big secret of Imu and to a lesser extent the demonic Gorosei.
I think anyone who goes to Marijois for the Reverie, whether as part of a country’s embassy or a Marine, would at least be somewhat aware that the HK’s have supreme jurisdiction over everything that happens there.
Maybe that’s where Brook met them, as a guard for a noble at a past Reverie
It’s not like the big secret of Imu and to a lesser extent the demonic Gorosei.
I think anyone who goes to Marijois for the Reverie, whether as part of a country’s embassy or a Marine, would at least be somewhat aware that the HK’s have supreme jurisdiction over everything that happens there.
Maybe that’s where Brook met them, as a guard for a noble at a past Reverie
This makes Dragon more grounded and, at the same time, less interesting of a character.
He started the biggest counter-WG organization in recent history and became the world's most dangerous man not because he learned the true history, hidden from the masses, not because he discovered a secret king perpetrating genocides from the shadows, but because... he saw how corrupt the CDs are? And--maybe--had his wife kidnapped by one of them?
When you put it like this, nothing separates Dragon from any of the current Marines in terms of insight. Dragon was simply the one willing to do something about it, while Garp turns a blind eye in the name of balance, and Akainu still considers the pirates more dangerous than the elite.
He started the biggest counter-WG organization in recent history and became the world's most dangerous man not because he learned the true history, hidden from the masses, not because he discovered a secret king perpetrating genocides from the shadows, but because... he saw how corrupt the CDs are? And--maybe--had his wife kidnapped by one of them?
When you put it like this, nothing separates Dragon from any of the current Marines in terms of insight. Dragon was simply the one willing to do something about it, while Garp turns a blind eye in the name of balance, and Akainu still considers the pirates more dangerous than the elite.
Ironically aside from Robin (and she has a history with him), one would assume Straw Hats didn't know shit about Aokiji or the admirals in general as back when he was introduced Oda had Robin info dump to the the crew who they are and where they stand in the marine and WG hierarchy, don't mean their existence is a mystery.
HKs only take care of business that directly concern the WG/celestial dragons unlike the marine that act as the world police, suggesting that the average joe likely knows next to nothing about them but does it mean their existence is concealed? No reason to believe so, they aren't spies that are mean to infitrate like the CP9 but warriors/knights who conquer territories for the WG.
In this very chapter Sommers announce to the entirety of Elbaf that he's a holy knight when he could've just said he came on the behalf of the WG without disclosing the group he came from (if again that was mean to be something secret).
Usually when something is mean to be secret Oda is making it clear, I don't get that vibe from HKs, they've been namedropped casually since the end of Wano.
Robin and Jinbe not knowing at all about the HKs is a big leap too, it's based on them not immediately recognizing Sommers and Gunko which is a flimsy evidence. Even though they knew about admirals and even faced them before, straw hats didn't recognize who Fujitora was until they were told who he was.
HKs only take care of business that directly concern the WG/celestial dragons unlike the marine that act as the world police, suggesting that the average joe likely knows next to nothing about them but does it mean their existence is concealed? No reason to believe so, they aren't spies that are mean to infitrate like the CP9 but warriors/knights who conquer territories for the WG.
In this very chapter Sommers announce to the entirety of Elbaf that he's a holy knight when he could've just said he came on the behalf of the WG without disclosing the group he came from (if again that was mean to be something secret).
Usually when something is mean to be secret Oda is making it clear, I don't get that vibe from HKs, they've been namedropped casually since the end of Wano.
Robin and Jinbe not knowing at all about the HKs is a big leap too, it's based on them not immediately recognizing Sommers and Gunko which is a flimsy evidence. Even though they knew about admirals and even faced them before, straw hats didn't recognize who Fujitora was until they were told who he was.