Controversial Are you on team Yamato is a daughter.
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If you feel threatened to be called a transphobe.. maybe.. don't be transphobe ?
Just an idea..
Just an idea..
People are not immediately phobes because they disagree with you about something. With that crazy agenda of yours you wouldn't even be allowed to respresent Leftists in public.
Masking extremism under "educating" is older trick than you and your ancestors together.
You won't change people's mind because you can't. You base everything you spread here on twitter walls.
There are better ways to spread positivity and understanding to what you are showcasing here.
You can't be a defender of everyone's rights ( don't mistake with defending right as you once accused me of telling you ) since you don't know much yourself. You didn't experience 90% of the things you claim to defend.
You are not an expert and not a graduate in biology/human relations or whatever.
You are a internet random. Just like all of us but that doesn't make you right because you said so.
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Where exactly did he express any toxicity?
He shared his take on if Yamato is a daughter/female or not. Stated his argumentation and only by the end added that in his ends they don't bother about such topics.
Do you have schizophrenia? Not an attack but genuine question. You twist the reality too hard.
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Yes, and you big Twitter reject actually understands science and psychology because u read about it from other twitter randoms on the internet.
What a shitshow for real.
He shared his take on if Yamato is a daughter/female or not. Stated his argumentation and only by the end added that in his ends they don't bother about such topics.
Do you have schizophrenia? Not an attack but genuine question. You twist the reality too hard.
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Yes, and you big Twitter reject actually understands science and psychology because u read about it from other twitter randoms on the internet.
What a shitshow for real.
Yamato doesn't identify as a man. She found Oden's logbook at a young age, and became enthralled by him and the outside World.
She's been a prisoner her entire at the hands of her father, Oden's logbook was her only escape. She would read his book, day after day, month after month, year after year, to the point where she was placing herself into the shoes of Oden.
This is apparent by the fact that her obsession with "being Oden" goes far beyond that of wanting to be just like him. She's genuinely believes she is him.
Yamato's biggest tragedy wasn't that of being imprisoned by her father, but that she became a prisoner of her own mind.
She's been a prisoner her entire at the hands of her father, Oden's logbook was her only escape. She would read his book, day after day, month after month, year after year, to the point where she was placing herself into the shoes of Oden.
This is apparent by the fact that her obsession with "being Oden" goes far beyond that of wanting to be just like him. She's genuinely believes she is him.
Yamato's biggest tragedy wasn't that of being imprisoned by her father, but that she became a prisoner of her own mind.
Damn.. and you really believe what you say ? That's the scary part..
Well.. I actually does my fair share of research on the subject. Yes
Also, I listen to people who are concerned by those topic. That's what logical and empathic person tends to do.
yamato was indeed trapped in her own mind, but not because of her identification to a man, but her missconception of freedom.
ok mate
Well.. I actually does my fair share of research on the subject. Yes
Also, I listen to people who are concerned by those topic. That's what logical and empathic person tends to do.
yamato was indeed trapped in her own mind, but not because of her identification to a man, but her missconception of freedom.
ok mate
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I'll just say you are opinionphobic 
Your approach to lecturing people is scary. You are no expert.
Okay you do your fair share of research so you might be comitted to the topic. But why do you only subscribe to one of the explanations or however to say this, to only one point of view? As many topics as many points of views and you lean so heavily towards only one of them. That's extremist and not healthy research.
If I offended you anywhere here report it to the mods, they eat off your spoon anyways.
I'm a thinking being and I have my own perception of reality and what I believe is right is my problem. Can I be wrong? For sure. But you yourself seem to not even allow this thought process to cross your nerve system. You hid under a coat and act like you are being attacked for defending the humanity.
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I don't think anyone seriously thinks she is trans or whatever.
What Yamato felt about Oden is what most of the kids feel about their cartoon favorite characters or whatever and try to impersonate them or replicate their thought process.
She was too hard on it for sure.
I loved Power Rangers as a kid but I don't think I would become one
What Yamato felt about Oden is what most of the kids feel about their cartoon favorite characters or whatever and try to impersonate them or replicate their thought process.
She was too hard on it for sure.
I loved Power Rangers as a kid but I don't think I would become one
Dude.. i'm just stating the facts. You are just in denial that's all. Ask yourself.. "what if this was the case ?"
Like I said, there isn't one simple explanation here. Yamato COULD be trans but they ALSO COULD be genderfluid. This is up to interpretation, what is sure is that Yamato identifies at least partly as a man so that's a start.
You are literally asking a CarrotForNakama theorist if he thinks that its impossible for him to be wrong. Of course I can be wrong, but there are thing that we can have doubt on, and things we are SURE of. Transidentity is one of those things.
Despite what the internet is trying to tell you mate.. Trans people and the issue of gender is something that scientist are aware of. The more you will accept that fact and do research on the subject, the more you will understand how you discourse are actually harmfull.
But be patiente, I was once like you, it took me multiple years to learn of the issues of social struggles.
Like I said, there isn't one simple explanation here. Yamato COULD be trans but they ALSO COULD be genderfluid. This is up to interpretation, what is sure is that Yamato identifies at least partly as a man so that's a start.
You are literally asking a CarrotForNakama theorist if he thinks that its impossible for him to be wrong. Of course I can be wrong, but there are thing that we can have doubt on, and things we are SURE of. Transidentity is one of those things.
Despite what the internet is trying to tell you mate.. Trans people and the issue of gender is something that scientist are aware of. The more you will accept that fact and do research on the subject, the more you will understand how you discourse are actually harmfull.
But be patiente, I was once like you, it took me multiple years to learn of the issues of social struggles.
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100 to 11 lol.
Says it all really. Even Oda cant decide though as he had her say shes Kaidos son IIRC to Green Bull too. Kaido called her his son too at least once I believe. Its such a fucking mess.
I just think she identifies as Oden regardless of his gender and thats her gender too. if Oden was a living, talking sword, she would identify as him regardless. If he was a frog, a mink, a ship, a tree or whatever, still Oden.
The key part is that she idolised Oden, he was her beacon of hope, the ultimate rebel, the vagabond who rose up against sheer tryanny and tyrants and dared to risk his life for others. She idolised that as a literal prisoner for her entire life. Its only natural she would want to be just like him and idolise him, much like how certain characters inspire others in OP. Roger inspiring many others especially for example. Or just look at Green Bull and Akainu funnily enough too.
Since Ushimaru had a 2 sword style IIRC and so did Oden, its a HUGE missed opportunity that Oda never had try to replicate their fighting styles and be like the men who saved her (Ushimaru and his fellow daimyo or w/e) and the man who truly inspired her (Oden obviously).
Yamato presents very femininely too although I don't want to get into arguments about gender, sex and what you identify as either but speaking of typical biological terms, she is female and presents herself as that. She did bathe with the men though but ive seen very tomboyish girls/women do that too, girls who just want to be one of the boys but dont necessarily identify as male, just tomboys ofc. They still have strongly feminine qualities but they are more masculine in general.
Hell two of my closest female friends, one is a champion weightlifter/body builder genuinely, shes absolutely built like a brick or whatever, a true Amazonian and shes extremely feminine and beautiful. Think Big Mom when she was younger but much more muscular. Very tall like her too. She was very sweet, genuine, kind, funny etc, a true tomboy but still elegant, feminine and such, she had an amazing balance of the two, it was mesmerising how she did it. (Actually to think of it, she reminds me a LOT of Robin funnily enough.)
My other female friend was female at birth but realised she was trans and went all the way with it. I wasnt in contact with her when she realised as life seperated us due to her going to university in another city and being far too busy and a bunch of extreme shit happened to me so I went into severe depression and such BUT she or well he I mean seems a lot happier now as far as I know, he as (formerly she ofc) prefers to be called now, has gone one to do modelling, be involved in a hollywood film with production and such. So not bad at all lol.
My point is anyway is if Yamato was meant to be classed as male, Oda would make it more obvious like he did with Kiku saying she is a woman at heart. Yamato just seems like an extroverted as hell tomboy like some female friends Ive had including the one I mentioned, the weight lifting one and I don't feel she is trans or thus male either.
If I get buried or flak for this so be it, but I've struggled with gender/identity issues myself and believed myself trans for a while too, so I get it too.
Celestial D Dragons post above is the best, most accurate/nuanced/summarised take I've seen on it anyway, could not have said it better myself.
Says it all really. Even Oda cant decide though as he had her say shes Kaidos son IIRC to Green Bull too. Kaido called her his son too at least once I believe. Its such a fucking mess.
I just think she identifies as Oden regardless of his gender and thats her gender too. if Oden was a living, talking sword, she would identify as him regardless. If he was a frog, a mink, a ship, a tree or whatever, still Oden.
The key part is that she idolised Oden, he was her beacon of hope, the ultimate rebel, the vagabond who rose up against sheer tryanny and tyrants and dared to risk his life for others. She idolised that as a literal prisoner for her entire life. Its only natural she would want to be just like him and idolise him, much like how certain characters inspire others in OP. Roger inspiring many others especially for example. Or just look at Green Bull and Akainu funnily enough too.
Since Ushimaru had a 2 sword style IIRC and so did Oden, its a HUGE missed opportunity that Oda never had try to replicate their fighting styles and be like the men who saved her (Ushimaru and his fellow daimyo or w/e) and the man who truly inspired her (Oden obviously).
Yamato presents very femininely too although I don't want to get into arguments about gender, sex and what you identify as either but speaking of typical biological terms, she is female and presents herself as that. She did bathe with the men though but ive seen very tomboyish girls/women do that too, girls who just want to be one of the boys but dont necessarily identify as male, just tomboys ofc. They still have strongly feminine qualities but they are more masculine in general.
Hell two of my closest female friends, one is a champion weightlifter/body builder genuinely, shes absolutely built like a brick or whatever, a true Amazonian and shes extremely feminine and beautiful. Think Big Mom when she was younger but much more muscular. Very tall like her too. She was very sweet, genuine, kind, funny etc, a true tomboy but still elegant, feminine and such, she had an amazing balance of the two, it was mesmerising how she did it. (Actually to think of it, she reminds me a LOT of Robin funnily enough.)
My other female friend was female at birth but realised she was trans and went all the way with it. I wasnt in contact with her when she realised as life seperated us due to her going to university in another city and being far too busy and a bunch of extreme shit happened to me so I went into severe depression and such BUT she or well he I mean seems a lot happier now as far as I know, he as (formerly she ofc) prefers to be called now, has gone one to do modelling, be involved in a hollywood film with production and such. So not bad at all lol.
My point is anyway is if Yamato was meant to be classed as male, Oda would make it more obvious like he did with Kiku saying she is a woman at heart. Yamato just seems like an extroverted as hell tomboy like some female friends Ive had including the one I mentioned, the weight lifting one and I don't feel she is trans or thus male either.
If I get buried or flak for this so be it, but I've struggled with gender/identity issues myself and believed myself trans for a while too, so I get it too.
Celestial D Dragons post above is the best, most accurate/nuanced/summarised take I've seen on it anyway, could not have said it better myself.
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If I would base my knowledge and opinion after what people online tell me on a manga forum I would end up in a pretty bad place probably like you.
Yamato cosplays or to put it differently, tries to impersonate Oden. At no moment in the story she had gender/sex or whatever crisis.
She is 28 years old but seems to be trapped in a mind of a child. She couldn't learn a lot since she was treated as a slave correct.
She probably tells everyone that she is Kaido's son because it's part of her impersonating Oden who was male so she thinks she is like Oden too.
I do not believe she does not understand the difference between her and let's say Kidd or Denjiro ( out of blue picks no hidden meaning here ).
She definitely understands that she has boobs and vagina. If I see her telling on the screen that she is different gender or whatever than have it your way. But she didn't say anything like that once.
I don't know if we should discuss this. We are not experts and professionals at such things.
Multiple years of brainwashing yourself with the internet. Social Media era is crazy.
Yamato cosplays or to put it differently, tries to impersonate Oden. At no moment in the story she had gender/sex or whatever crisis.
She is 28 years old but seems to be trapped in a mind of a child. She couldn't learn a lot since she was treated as a slave correct.
She probably tells everyone that she is Kaido's son because it's part of her impersonating Oden who was male so she thinks she is like Oden too.
I do not believe she does not understand the difference between her and let's say Kidd or Denjiro ( out of blue picks no hidden meaning here ).
She definitely understands that she has boobs and vagina. If I see her telling on the screen that she is different gender or whatever than have it your way. But she didn't say anything like that once.
I don't know if we should discuss this. We are not experts and professionals at such things.
Multiple years of brainwashing yourself with the internet. Social Media era is crazy.