Questions & Mysteries Are Zoro and Ussop important for Luffy's dream?! - Had to wait for Wano to end -

Do you still think Zoro and Ussop have a role for Luffy's Dream?

  • Yes

    Votes: 14 50.0%
  • No

    Votes: 8 28.6%
  • Zoro and Ussop are just extra

    Votes: 6 21.4%

  • Total voters
    28
#1
Before anyone says anything about making excuses or whatever about ZKK and my stance for it please check my post here i have made a detailed post how Oda could ignore ZKK and still make it seem that it could have happened. https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...kk-year-of-the-tiger-the-birth-of-zoro.21447/

Now that is out of the way.. This is something i was thinking this whole time. But wanted to see the finale of Wano 1st before asking what people think of this.
"Still unsure if Wano has ended but the official news says so..."

The idea is pretty simple. Every SH has an essential role to play for Luffy to help him succeed:-
1- Zoro - Unknown.
1- Nami - is the one to figure out "how" to get Luffy to reach Laugh Tale and later on her World Map will change the world when Luffy destroys the Red Line.
3- Ussop - Unknown.
4- Sanji - Believe it or not him being the Best Cook ever and the Cook who have cooked all over the world is Essential to Luffy's new found goal and secret wish that he shares with Roger.
5- Chopper - Still not that relevant yet but we all know his dream of curing everything will play a role for Luffy and anyone who might be on the brink of death and the story made it clear with Roger catching that incurable disease that something might happen to Luffy down the line.
6- Robin - Is the Key to uncovering the past and the waypoints for Luffy and Nami.
7- Franky - Water 7 is enough reason why he is important.
8- Brook - How do you throw a party without a musician ? says Luffy to Zoro.
9- Jimbe - he proved himself in handling and steering the Ship which could also foreshadow the difficulty to reaching Laugh Tale. He is needed for Nami. And their Stories is connected very well "Good Job Oda".

What of Zoro and Ussop? What roles are they going to play for Luffy's Dream and Goal? Are they really important? Their defining moments is Wano and Elbaf.

Zoro

Throughout the story Zoro has always taken the role for dispatching the "second" strongest opponents. Except for 2 Arcs where both Luffy and Zoro were beaten near to death. The "Second" Opponent of the Arc wasn't someone that Luffy was going to beat:-

1- Alabasta - Mr1 and his Blade of Steel Body was an opponent so difficult for Zoro it nearly costed him his life. Was Luffy even able to beat someone like him at that time without Haki? Enters the breath of all things "Ryou" without that Zoro would have lost and died. The fight with Mr1 also implied that Zoro could have also beaten Crocodile.


2- Thriller Bark - Kuma and his Tempered Steel Body was an opponent so difficult for Zoro it nearly costed him his life. This time Oda made sure to let us know that Luffy wasn't even close to beating a Pacifista let alone a whole Kuma. Enters "Ryou" again "Lion Song" but this time Zoro failed just like Luffy failing to beat a Pacifista alone. His fight with Kuma implies that if Zoro isn't able to defend Luffy then he isn't worthy of his ambition said by Zoro himself.



Why am i bringing this up? Because these 2 arcs are the 1st times we get the hints of the Samurai and Oda testing Zoro's cutting ability. "Mr Bushido by Vivi" "Ryuma Wano". The expectation of most readers of Zoro was "The next time Zoro comes he will be As Strong if not Stronger than Luffy". Most of the New World was a cake walk for Zoro many readers thought that Zoro was actually Stronger than Luffy while others thought As Strong except those who still thought Zoro was as Strong as Sanji or weaker.

Enter Wano

The Arc where everyone expected Zoro's new Power to be put to test and Finally for some readers who are expecting Zoro to stand as his own character and fulfill his role as a Samurai of Wano.

The Story of Wano - Zoro's Side :-
His plot in Wano was very straight forward and on point regarding his Prowess and his fighting ability and his Sword Handling and some backstory for Ryuma as the Sword God and Wano.

The Story of Onigashima - Zoro's Side :-
His plot in Onigashima was vague and unclear that some readers never expected Zoro on the Roof while some also never expected Zoro to be removed and isolated from everything. "My thought"

Kaido - Mr1 - Kuma - King - Ryou - Luffy - Zoro:-
All of these opponents share the same thing "Hard body" that Ryou was integral in fighting them. Before you say AdvCoC is what beat Kaido and King. Remember without Ryou Luffy and Zoro would have not been able to control AdvCoC.

So what is the point of everything i wrote above?

The Ryou setup throughout the story and the Thick Body Opponents that Luffy may face in the future "aka a Dragon or Kaido" has been running in the background in the story for Zoro and Thriller Bark was the trigger for the Straw Hats that Luffy keeps pushing himself against their Opponents. Only for Oda to give them their Ultimate Challenge in the form of Kuma while Oda tested all of the SHs for their loyalty. Oda chose Zoro and only Zoro to test his combat prowess against that enemy and Zoro's Failure at that moment was his trigger to announce and declare that his ambition means nothing if he can't protect his Captain.

The Wano Finale?
If you have come this far and haven't read this "here" i highly suggest that you do.
Now that you have read that post with what we have gotten from the "final" chapter.
1- Comparing Ryuma and JoyBoy in a way comparing Zoro and Luffy.
2- Both Luffy and Zoro expressing the desire to fight Oden throu Momonosuke in way hinting at both of them surpassing or wanting to test their mettle against the one who almost brought down Kaido.
3- The Grim Reaper and Zoro was resolved in a gag? or Oda is saving this Mystery for something down the line?

Now that you have reached this far. Congratz to you reading all of this. Here is my final thoughts.

Oda gave every Straw Hats important roles to play for Luffy and if readers are skeptical about Brook Sanji and Chopper. Their roles are clear and will be fleshed out. As for Sanji it has already been set and done in WCI. You may shit on WCI but for Sanji as a member of the SH his story and his role has already been resolved and made clear. "Without you i can't become the Pirate King" because Luffy's idea for becoming the Pirate King and his new found goal and the secret words he shares with Roger that makes both looks like Kids. Should be something so simple and stupid.
Every SH knows how serious Luffy is after getting to know him and the one that should always know is Zoro. In Thriller Bark Zoro knocked out Sanji only after hearing him say "find another cook" Oda could have made Zoro do it at any point but chose to highlight this moment when Zoro himself said that his body couldn't move.
Of course Zoro cares for Sanji but he also knows Luffy's value and expectations. Which should go along with what he said to Kuma earlier "If i can't protect my Captain then my ambition means nothing".

Ending:-

Now that Wano is over "?" and Oda chose this path for Zoro in Wano. The Shadow of Luffy that no one has seen him do anything. And not the Ryuma who will save Wano and Luffy from an overwhelming Opponent that a whole Nation of Strong Swordman failed to kill.

Added after some comments:-
Fighting Secondary Characters is not something that stands in the way of Luffy's Dream. Making sure Luffy's takes his Role as Captain can be done by any other Character.

The Big Question now is. What is Zoro's role in the overall Story and for Luffy's dream is if not for cutting Opponents Luffy can't beat? Is it to Cut something? Will cutting be an Obstacle for Luffy?

Ussop - Waiting for Elbaf - But so far What do you think his role is?
 
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#2
Bah ..he defeat YC1 a man worth more than 1 B bounty...what more u expect him to do ? Deafeat an Yanko after defeating Lacky of Doflamingo..!
He is doing great ..if few fans overexpect from Oda its not Odas fault.

About Usoop , i can agree..he sould have played better role in defeat of 2 Yanko..i was expecting better feat with his CoO
 
#3
If WCI and Wano arcs has shown us anything, its that the supposedly “starring” characters of those arcs will either get shat on or dismissed without any changes (Sanji and Zoro).

And I can’t wait for the same disappointment to happen with Usopp is his “own” arc aka Elbaf soon. Because if Oda has shafted him for this long since Dressrosa, then surely he saved that arc for him, right…?

Narratively speaking, Usopp throughout the series despite being weak, has at least helped the Straw Hats through his lies which brought new comrades to the fold (i.e Tontatta).

But Zoro has almost zero to none narrative importance, and just serves as a mere combatant who beats the second strongest guy after Luffy every arc before drinking booze and falling asleep again…

We thought that would change in Wano, the land of the samurai, where his speculated lineage might originate from (Shimotsuki) but nope.

He’s just strong and thats it, that is his character (same for Kaido, but thats another topic for another day.)

Tl;dr usopp lore > zoro lore
zoro strength > usopp strength
 
#4
The Big Question now is. What is Zoro's role in the overall Story and for Luffy's dream is if not for cutting Opponents Luffy can't beat?

From the start, Zoro's role is never cutting opponents that Luffy can't beat. Since Luffy can beat Morgan, and anyone. Luffy broke steel (Don Krieg's armor) before Zoro could cut steel. Luffy beat anyone that is invincible for his crew including Zoro.

So Zoro's role is never to beat someone Luffy can't beat, since it's Luffy's role instead to beat the enemies that Zoro and everyone else can't beat (Luffy's statement in Arlong Park). Zoro's role is beating the righthand man of the big bad villain. Since Luffy can beat the strongest, but no more than that. He can't handle every enemy. That's where Zoro comes in.

Oh also, Zoro straightens Luffy up. Like a stoic guardian that reminds the leader, what the role of a leader should be. Usopp's case supports this.
 
#5
Zoro is like the back up leader, he also keeps Luffy in check whenever he loses focus(PH, Rooftop, Ussop leaving crew etc). Also as his strongest soldier he can share the load w Luffy if he needs the backup(roof top/taking his literal pain and suffering on top of his own in TB, etc). Right hand men are very important for these reasons, taking out the right hand or #2 in a fight is also important.
 
#6
Bah ..he defeat YC1 a man worth more than 1 B bounty...what more u expect him to do ? Deafeat an Yanko after defeating Lacky of Doflamingo..!
He is doing great ..if few fans overexpect from Oda its not Odas fault.

About Usoop , i can agree..he sould have played better role in defeat of 2 Yanko..i was expecting better feat with his CoO
You are missing the point here. Its not about expecting him to beat X Character. Its about if we expected him to do that but Oda chose not to. So what Exactly is his role is for Luffy's dream aka by the end of their Journey? beating secondary Character ? Is that Important? Or maybe he is going to cut something?

If WCI and Wano arcs has shown us anything, its that the supposedly “starring” characters of those arcs will either get shat on or dismissed without any changes (Sanji and Zoro).

And I can’t wait for the same disappointment to happen with Usopp is his “own” arc aka Elbaf soon. Because if Oda has shafted him for this long since Dressrosa, then surely he saved that arc for him, right…?

Narratively speaking, Usopp throughout the series despite being weak, has at least helped the Straw Hats through his lies which brought new comrades to the fold (i.e Tontatta).

But Zoro has almost zero to none narrative importance, and just serves as a mere combatant who beats the second strongest guy after Luffy every arc before drinking booze and falling asleep again…

We thought that would change in Wano, the land of the samurai, where his speculated lineage might originate from (Shimotsuki) but nope.

He’s just strong and thats it, that is his character (same for Kaido, but thats another topic for another day.)

Tl;dr usopp lore > zoro lore
zoro strength > usopp strength

Zoro is like the back up leader, he also keeps Luffy in check whenever he loses focus(PH, Rooftop, Ussop leaving crew etc). Also as his strongest soldier he can share the load w Luffy if he needs the backup(roof top/taking his literal pain and suffering on top of his own in TB, etc). Right hand men are very important for these reasons, taking out the right hand or #2 in a fight is also important.
From the start, Zoro's role is never cutting opponents that Luffy can't beat. Since Luffy can beat Morgan, and anyone. Luffy broke steel (Don Krieg's armor) before Zoro could cut steel. Luffy beat anyone that is invincible for his crew including Zoro.

So Zoro's role is never to beat someone Luffy can't beat, since it's Luffy's role instead to beat the enemies that Zoro and everyone else can't beat (Luffy's statement in Arlong Park). Zoro's role is beating the righthand man of the big bad villain. Since Luffy can beat the strongest, but no more than that. He can't handle every enemy. That's where Zoro comes in.

Oh also, Zoro straightens Luffy up. Like a stoic guardian that reminds the leader, what the role of a leader should be. Usopp's case supports this.
You are also missing the point here. 1st of all Don Kreig's armor is Gold not Steel. The Morgan defeat was a situation Luffy couldn't avoid so Zoro jumped in. And No Luffy couldn't beat anyone invincible (Mihawk , Zoro, Aokiji , Garp , Pacifista, Magellan, Marineford) and Luffy's statement in Arlong Park is normal but Oda still made sure to show us before hand That Zoro was able to beat Arlong but couldn't due to his injury. Or do i need to post some panels too?

If Zoro's role is not beating someone Luffy can't and only fights the second strongest or the right hand man. How do you think that helps him in his Role for Luffy? these right hand men don't add anything meaningful for Luffy's dream since they are not an obstacle. Do you get what i am saying? I will add to my question to make it more clearer.

Straightens up Luffy that can be fixed if Sanji or Nami takes that role since its not that Major. And just remove Zoro from the equation.

I hope that is enough explaining lol. So here is the question again "modified" What is Zoro's Role for Luffy's dream? Is it to cut something? Someone? How about Ussop? Snipe something? Is sniping really needed for Luffy's dream?

If Wano was supposed to be his arc and Oda chose him to be a shadow the most likely there is nothing Major for him except Mihawk. And is Mihawk important for Luffy? Of course not why does Luffy needs a swordman and a liar?
 
#8
Before anyone says anything about making excuses or whatever about ZKK and my stance for it please check my post here i have made a detailed post how Oda could ignore ZKK and still make it seem that it could have happened. https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...kk-year-of-the-tiger-the-birth-of-zoro.21447/

Now that is out of the way.. This is something i was thinking this whole time. But wanted to see the finale of Wano 1st before asking what people think of this.
"Still unsure if Wano has ended but the official news says so..."

The idea is pretty simple. Every SH has an essential role to play for Luffy to help him succeed:-
1- Zoro - Unknown.
1- Nami - is the one to figure out "how" to get Luffy to reach Laugh Tale and later on her World Map will change the world when Luffy destroys the Red Line.
3- Ussop - Unknown.
4- Sanji - Believe it or not him being the Best Cook ever and the Cook who have cooked all over the world is Essential to Luffy's new found goal and secret wish that he shares with Roger.
5- Chopper - Still not that relevant yet but we all know his dream of curing everything will play a role for Luffy and anyone who might be on the brink of death and the story made it clear with Roger catching that incurable disease that something might happen to Luffy down the line.
6- Robin - Is the Key to uncovering the past and the waypoints for Luffy and Nami.
7- Franky - Water 7 is enough reason why he is important.
8- Brook - How do you throw a party without a musician ? says Luffy to Zoro.
9- Jimbe - he proved himself in handling and steering the Ship which could also foreshadow the difficulty to reaching Laugh Tale. He is needed for Nami. And their Stories is connected very well "Good Job Oda".

What of Zoro and Ussop? What roles are they going to play for Luffy's Dream and Goal? Are they really important? Their defining moments is Wano and Elbaf.

Zoro

Throughout the story Zoro has always taken the role for dispatching the "second" strongest opponents. Except for 2 Arcs where both Luffy and Zoro were beaten near to death. The "Second" Opponent of the Arc wasn't someone that Luffy was going to beat:-

1- Alabasta - Mr1 and his Blade of Steel Body was an opponent so difficult for Zoro it nearly costed him his life. Was Luffy even able to beat someone like him at that time without Haki? Enters the breath of all things "Ryou" without that Zoro would have lost and died. The fight with Mr1 also implied that Zoro could have also beaten Crocodile.


2- Thriller Bark - Kuma and his Tempered Steel Body was an opponent so difficult for Zoro it nearly costed him his life. This time Oda made sure to let us know that Luffy wasn't even close to beating a Pacifista let alone a whole Kuma. Enters "Ryou" again "Lion Song" but this time Zoro failed just like Luffy failing to beat a Pacifista alone. His fight with Kuma implies that if Zoro isn't able to defend Luffy then he isn't worthy of his ambition said by Zoro himself.



Why am i bringing this up? Because these 2 arcs are the 1st times we get the hints of the Samurai and Oda testing Zoro's cutting ability. "Mr Bushido by Vivi" "Ryuma Wano". The expectation of most readers of Zoro was "The next time Zoro comes he will be As Strong if not Stronger than Luffy". Most of the New World was a cake walk for Zoro many readers thought that Zoro was actually Stronger than Luffy while others thought As Strong except those who still thought Zoro was as Strong as Sanji or weaker.

Enter Wano

The Arc where everyone expected Zoro's new Power to be put to test and Finally for some readers who are expecting Zoro to stand as his own character and fulfill his role as a Samurai of Wano.

The Story of Wano - Zoro's Side :-
His plot in Wano was very straight forward and on point regarding his Prowess and his fighting ability and his Sword Handling and some backstory for Ryuma as the Sword God and Wano.

The Story of Onigashima - Zoro's Side :-
His plot in Onigashima was vague and unclear that some readers never expected Zoro on the Roof while some also never expected Zoro to be removed and isolated from everything. "My thought"

Kaido - Mr1 - Kuma - King - Ryou - Luffy - Zoro:-
All of these opponents share the same thing "Hard body" that Ryou was integral in fighting them. Before you say AdvCoC is what beat Kaido and King. Remember without Ryou Luffy and Zoro would have not been able to control AdvCoC.

So what is the point of everything i wrote above?

The Ryou setup throughout the story and the Thick Body Opponents that Luffy may face in the future "aka a Dragon or Kaido" has been running in the background in the story for Zoro and Thriller Bark was the trigger for the Straw Hats that Luffy keeps pushing himself against their Opponents. Only for Oda to give them their Ultimate Challenge in the form of Kuma while Oda tested all of the SHs for their loyalty. Oda chose Zoro and only Zoro to test his combat prowess against that enemy and Zoro's Failure at that moment was his trigger to announce and declare that his ambition means nothing if he can't protect his Captain.

The Wano Finale?
If you have come this far and haven't read this "here" i highly suggest that you do.
Now that you have read that post with what we have gotten from the "final" chapter.
1- Comparing Ryuma and JoyBoy in a way comparing Zoro and Luffy.
2- Both Luffy and Zoro expressing the desire to fight Oden throu Momonosuke in way hinting at both of them surpassing or wanting to test their mettle against the one who almost brought down Kaido.
3- The Grim Reaper and Zoro was resolved in a gag? or Oda is saving this Mystery for something down the line?

Now that you have reached this far. Congratz to you reading all of this. Here is my final thoughts.

Oda gave every Straw Hats important roles to play for Luffy and if readers are skeptical about Brook Sanji and Chopper. Their roles are clear and will be fleshed out. As for Sanji it has already been set and done in WCI. You may shit on WCI but for Sanji as a member of the SH his story and his role has already been resolved and made clear. "Without you i can't become the Pirate King" because Luffy's idea for becoming the Pirate King and his new found goal and the secret words he shares with Roger that makes both looks like Kids. Should be something so simple and stupid.
Every SH knows how serious Luffy is after getting to know him and the one that should always know is Zoro. In Thriller Bark Zoro knocked out Sanji only after hearing him say "find another cook" Oda could have made Zoro do it at any point but chose to highlight this moment when Zoro himself said that his body couldn't move.
Of course Zoro cares for Sanji but he also knows Luffy's value and expectations. Which should go along with what he said to Kuma earlier "If i can't protect my Captain then my ambition means nothing".

Ending:-

Now that Wano is over "?" and Oda chose this path for Zoro in Wano. The Shadow of Luffy that no one has seen him do anything. And not the Ryuma who will save Wano and Luffy from an overwhelming Opponent that a whole Nation of Strong Swordman failed to kill.

The Big Question now is. What is Zoro's role in the overall Story and for Luffy's dream is if not for cutting Opponents Luffy can't beat?

Ussop - Waiting for Elbaf - But so far What do you think his role is?
Personally i dont think wano is over nor is zoros role is in wano so ill just reserve judgment until we are on the sunny and gone
 
#10
I guess all SHs can contribute both physically and emotional to the goal
:milaugh: Nice. So Anyone who has no actual role to play in Luffy's dream will basically be a Cheerleader?

Personally i dont think wano is over nor is zoros role is in wano so ill just reserve judgment until we are on the sunny and gone
I am expecting a great answer from you then :goyea:.

Zoro will beat Shanks for Luffy coz blade is Luffy's weakness :suresure:
Isn't Shanks the biggest Cheerleader for Luffy? that means he isn't an obstacle for Luffy so even if Zoro beat Shanks it means nothing :cheers:.
 
#11
You are missing the point here. Its not about expecting him to beat X Character. Its about if we expected him to do that but Oda chose not to. So what Exactly is his role is for Luffy's dream aka by the end of their Journey? beating secondary Character ? Is that Important? Or maybe he is going to cut something?








You are also missing the point here. 1st of all Don Kreig's armor is Gold not Steel. The Morgan defeat was a situation Luffy couldn't avoid so Zoro jumped in. And No Luffy couldn't beat anyone invincible (Mihawk , Zoro, Aokiji , Garp , Pacifista, Magellan, Marineford) and Luffy's statement in Arlong Park is normal but Oda still made sure to show us before hand That Zoro was able to beat Arlong but couldn't due to his injury. Or do i need to post some panels too?

If Zoro's role is not beating someone Luffy can't and only fights the second strongest or the right hand man. How do you think that helps him in his Role for Luffy? these right hand men don't add anything meaningful for Luffy's dream since they are not an obstacle. Do you get what i am saying? I will add to my question to make it more clearer.

Straightens up Luffy that can be fixed if Sanji or Nami takes that role since its not that Major. And just remove Zoro from the equation.

I hope that is enough explaining lol. So here is the question again "modified" What is Zoro's Role for Luffy's dream? Is it to cut something? Someone? How about Ussop? Snipe something? Is sniping really needed for Luffy's dream?

If Wano was supposed to be his arc and Oda chose him to be a shadow the most likely there is nothing Major for him except Mihawk. And is Mihawk important for Luffy? Of course not why does Luffy needs a swordman and a liar?
Oh I think I see what you mean, well for Zoro yes I do believe Luffy will need him to cut through something crazy for them to accomplish some major feat, something outside of just fighting someone strong. Something that would require only the greatest of swordsmen to accomplish, as for what that thing is I have no clue. I guess Usopp will be needed for some sniper feat as well, something only the greatest of snipers can accomplish or I guess using his ability to lie can be an alternative I just don’t know what these specific feats will be. Bottom line is I’m sure Oda will make it clear why Luffy needs them specifically.
 
#12
Zoro truly is the most useless SH, his role is the "combatant" but he's nowhere near the strongest in the crew, his role is useless and the crew wouldn't suffer without him, unlike literally every other strawhat
 
#13
Oh I think I see what you mean, well for Zoro yes I do believe Luffy will need him to cut through something crazy for them to accomplish some major feat, something outside of just fighting someone strong. Something that would require only the greatest of swordsmen to accomplish, as for what that thing is I have no clue. I guess Usopp will be needed for some sniper feat as well, something only the greatest of snipers can accomplish or I guess using his ability to lie can be an alternative I just don’t know what these specific feats will be. Bottom line is I’m sure Oda will make it clear why Luffy needs them specifically.
If you were to guess something what would it be?

Zoro truly is the most useless SH, his role is the "combatant" but he's nowhere near the strongest in the crew, his role is useless and the crew wouldn't suffer without him, unlike literally every other strawhat
You forgot Ussop. Well Zoro is actually the toughest and the strongest in the crew normally. But Luffy can overcome that with his ability that makes him grow Stronger on demand. His role as combatant is useless for now and has no meaning for Luffy since he can take care of it yet Oda insist on giving Zoro someone on the side to fight. For the Majority of the Story it looked like it was leading to something Major for Zoro but with what we have gotten from Wano it is simply not the case. But Zoro does exist in the Story. So put your biased thoughts aside and think What Role is Oda going to give Zoro for Luffy's dream?
 
#14
You are missing the point here. Its not about expecting him to beat X Character. Its about if we expected him to do that but Oda chose not to. So what Exactly is his role is for Luffy's dream aka by the end of their Journey? beating secondary Character ? Is that Important? Or maybe he is going to cut something?








You are also missing the point here. 1st of all Don Kreig's armor is Gold not Steel. The Morgan defeat was a situation Luffy couldn't avoid so Zoro jumped in. And No Luffy couldn't beat anyone invincible (Mihawk , Zoro, Aokiji , Garp , Pacifista, Magellan, Marineford) and Luffy's statement in Arlong Park is normal but Oda still made sure to show us before hand That Zoro was able to beat Arlong but couldn't due to his injury. Or do i need to post some panels too?

If Zoro's role is not beating someone Luffy can't and only fights the second strongest or the right hand man. How do you think that helps him in his Role for Luffy? these right hand men don't add anything meaningful for Luffy's dream since they are not an obstacle. Do you get what i am saying? I will add to my question to make it more clearer.

Straightens up Luffy that can be fixed if Sanji or Nami takes that role since its not that Major. And just remove Zoro from the equation.

I hope that is enough explaining lol. So here is the question again "modified" What is Zoro's Role for Luffy's dream? Is it to cut something? Someone? How about Ussop? Snipe something? Is sniping really needed for Luffy's dream?

If Wano was supposed to be his arc and Oda chose him to be a shadow the most likely there is nothing Major for him except Mihawk. And is Mihawk important for Luffy? Of course not why does Luffy needs a swordman and a liar?
No, Zoro's role is not defeating someone Luffy can't. That is never the case. It's Luffy's role to defeat someone Zoro can't.

"Wano is supposed to be Zoro's arc" doesn't mean Zoro's place is to beat Kaidou who is WSC (for Luffy to surpass) and want to be PK (for Luffy to beat). Getting Enma, CoC Infusion, Shimotsuki lore reveal to Zoro are already signifying what it means for Wano to be Zoro's arc. Also Luffy had set the standard himself for Zoro, since Zoro had promise to Luffy to become WSS, as a "fitting righthand-man of the Pirate King".

Your post about Zoro "can beat Arlong but he can't due to injury" is assumption, since Arlong sensing danger didn't surely mean Zoro could beat him. You can be in danger without being defeated. "Luffy can't avoid Morgan" is assumption as well since Luffy had time to smile and say "nice, Zoro" implying Luffy's trust in Zoro to act paid off.

Luffy also broke steel here.



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Zoro beating second strongest enemy is not meaningless. Luffy can't participate in a fight anymore after he beat the strongest villain, so without Zoro, The Strawhat is still gonna lose since Sanji is occupied with the 3rd strongest and so on.
 
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#17
Maybe they're supposed to be, but Oda doesn't really do a good job of showing it. Both of them seem unnecessary. Character development in general is pretty weak in One Piece.

Luffy also broke steel here.

I see this specific point brought up often, but I don't think that was ever meant to equate to cutting Daz Bones's full body DF steel. That's gonna be quite a bit thicker than just a layer of armor or weapons.

Zoro also broke thinner steels like here:

Meanwhile neither Luffy nor Zoro could deal with the bars in Orange Town, said to be too thick:



 
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#18
Maybe they're supposed to be, but Oda doesn't really do a good job of showing it. Both of them seem unnecessary. Character development in general is pretty weak in One Piece.



I see this specific point brought up often, but I don't think that was ever meant to equate to cutting Daz Bones's full body DF steel. That's gonna be quite a bit thicker than just a layer of armor or weapons.

Zoro also broke thinner steels like here:

Meanwhile neither Luffy nor Zoro could deal with the bars in Orange Town, said to be too thick:



If i wanna follow the linearity, it means that Luffy's strength increased from Orange Town to the point that he can break steel at Baratie. Since it's stated that Krieg's armor also spear is wootz steel armor.

While from Zoro's own words to Mr.1, cutting Mr.1 meaning cutting steel. With that as the base of argument, it also can mean Hachi's swords were not made of steel. Swords can be made from iron as well instead of steel, and i'm holding to Krieg's statement about steel armor and spear and Zoro's statement about being able to cut steel at Mr.1, not before.

All in all, i'm just saying this to support that Zoro's role is never to beat anyone Luffy can't beat himself. It's to support and protect Luffy from other strong enemies while Luffy himself beat the strongest. It's also from a senior soldier that straighten Luffy up about the responsibilities and moral compass of a leader, etc.
 
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If i wanna follow the linearity, it means that Luffy's strength increased from Orange Town to the point that he can break steel at Baratie. Since it's stated that Krieg's armor also spear is wootz steel armor.

While from Zoro's own words to Mr.1, cutting Mr.1 meaning cutting steel. With that as the base of argument, it also can mean Hachi's swords were not made of steel. Swords can be made from iron as well instead of steel, and i'm holding to Krieg's statement about steel armor and spear and Zoro's statement about being able to cut steel at Mr.1, not before.

All in all, i'm just saying this to support that Zoro's role is never to beat anyone Luffy can't beat himself. It's to support and protect Luffy from other strong enemies while Luffy himself beat the strongest. It's also from a senior soldier that straighten Luffy up about the responsibilities and moral compass of a leader, etc.
I don't really care about Zoro's role. But since you're calling out people for assumptions in this thread I'm just specifically saying equating the Krieg armor to Daz Bones' DF is a bit weak. In the manga panel I showed, Zoro is specifically referencing the thickness of the bars being the reason he can't cut it. It's more probable that in the comparison between the DF and armor, one is much thinner (just an outer layer) and would need significantly less force to crack all the way through.

Because if we follow your assumptions and logic to their natural conclusion, Zoro would have issues cutting a steel butter knife in half because that's a feat equal to cutting Daz Bones. And Luffy wouldn't have been able to destroy that steel butter knife until Baratie, because those feats (along with shattering Daz Bones' body in two) are equal.

Also Hachi, a swordsman under the strongest threat in the east blue, using something weaker than steel would be a bit funky.

That Luffy got stronger between Orange Town and Baratie arc is also complete assumption on your part. The whole getting stronger island-to-island thing didn't really start until the grand line. Luffy (and Zoro) were never pressed until Alabasta. Sure, it's possible they got stronger, but the story never required it in that portion.
 
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