General & Others Arguments about Swordsmen

#1
I created this topic mainly for people with more than 2 neurons, and especially those who are fans of Zoro, Mihawk, Ray, etc.
I would like us to use this topic to compile all the evidence, phrases, facts, from the manga and other OP sources about the swordsmen, to leave the swordsmen haters, Zoro/Mihawk haters, or Shanks "fans" without arguments.

Let's try to debate, and make a list of the swordsmen in the manga, who are completely swordsmen, why, and what skills they have in common, who are swordsmen, but have certain extra skills (law for example)

At the same time, let's try to form some solid arguments against the enormous amount of nonsense that haters always bring up.

1 - Swordsmen don't use haki

2 - Mihawk's title is "the best swordsman in the world", not "the strongest swordsman in the world"

3 - Shanks and Mihawk's duels were with special rules, without using haki, just swordsmanship.

4 - Roger, Shanks, Ray, etc. They are not "pure swordsmen." Mihawk, Ryuma, Oden and Zoro are

5 - Shanks is a swordsman, and although Mihawk has the title of "the strongest swordsman in the world", Mihawk is weaker. Zoro will defeat Mihawk in the future, but he will still be weaker than Shanks, but it does not mean that he will not fulfill his dream, since he will still have the title.


These are the ones I remember now and we could start by refuting them. You can add whatever you want
 
#5
3 - Shanks and Mihawk's duels were with special rules, without using haki, just swordsmanship.
I see I live rent free in ZKK fanboys head. :BigW:

I never said that shit that Shanks vs Mihawk duels without Haki.

I said WGS doesn't include Haki meaning: just because Mihawk is WGS doesn't mean his Haki > Shanks's Haki.

So Shanks as a swordsman has better Haki than swordsman Mihawk, and would beat Mihawk by using Haki difference not skill difference, but Mihawk is still WGS so thats why WGS doesn't include Haki.
 

Fujishiro

Forcing change
#7
I see I live rent free in ZKK fanboys head. :BigW:

I never said that shit that Shanks vs Mihawk duels without Haki.

I said WGS doesn't include Haki meaning: just because Mihawk is WGS doesn't mean his Haki > Shanks's Haki.

So Shanks as a swordsman has better Haki than swordsman Mihawk, and would beat Mihawk by using Haki difference not skill difference, but Mihawk is still WGS so thats why WGS doesn't include Haki.
Is Rayleigh a swordsman.
 
#13
Ignore Lerkan, please. This topic is here to discredit all the nonsense they say. In the comment now considering Mihawk's title as "the best swordsman in the world" and not "the strongest swordsman in the world", in Japanese "sekai Saikyo no kenshin"
You literally made this thread because I made you cry Lerra the ZKKfanboy, how are you ignoring me? :willight:

His title is written the same way as WB in japanese.
Mihawk's title was first introduced as ''Dai Kengou'', different than ''Saikyo'' WB's title.

Later they said Saikyo Kenshi as alternative, but first introduction is Dai Kengou which is different;



Why Roger wasn't even called ''master swordsman'';



WGS = SKILL

Haki isn't included.
 

Fujishiro

Forcing change
#14
You literally made this thread because I made you cry Lerra the ZKKfanboy, how are you ignoring me? :willight:


Mihawk's title was first introduced as ''Dai Kengou'', different than ''Saikyo'' WB's title.

Later they said Saikyo Kenshi as alternative, but first introduction is Dai Kengou which is different;



Why Roger wasn't even called ''master swordsman'';



WGS = SKILL

Haki isn't included.
So it was corrected later, Ill take what was said later then before.
Vista:
No title.
No sword of supreme grade.
No black blades.
No advanced haki.
No CoC.
Zoro vs Vista who wins.
 
#15
1 - Swordsmen don't use haki:

I'll start with the first point, which I also think is quite easy to defend just by looking at Zoro xD

Zoro, Cavendish, Kinemon, Oden, Shanks, Mihawk, Ryuma, etc. All of them are swordsmen and use haki. Furthermore, the most obvious one, Zoro, uses all 3 types of haki, so there can no longer be the excuse that those who have coc are not swordsmen.
 
#17
So it was corrected later, Ill take what was said later then before.
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Zoro vs Vista who wins.
It wasn't corrected lmao, Dai Kengou was used many times later in the new chapters;





Dai Kengou might be used even more than Saikyo Kenshi, both mean same thing WGS.

You don't say ''strongest marksman'', you say ''greatest marksman''. It looks like in Japanese somehow ''strongest marksman'' make sense thats why they also say ''strongest swordsman'' as well as an alternative, real translation is ''greatest swordsman'' Dai Kengou.
 
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