Powers & Abilities As a Black Blade, Enma Will Absorb the Opponent's Ryuo Rather Than Zoro's

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#81
Still not my argument at all.

Hilarious how you berate Sanji on Queen's apparent "nerfs".....but you also want Zoro to do it at the same time.



I literally dont get why some of you Ztards are so fucking pressed. Yall cry Zoro is a natural talent and has worked hard for his merit. Yada yada. So when we defend yall and say a nerfing ability doesnt suit Zoro and he shouldnt have. Yall still get mad.

Were not salty due to the ability. Law can have these powers because thats what his DF powers were introduced to do. Thats how he was introduced to fight. Zoro having this ability and being useful against strong opponents will demerit his fight style. Hes a natural swordsman, who trains and shit. Id throught you "hard work" bitches would be the first to understand lol
So you admit you happy for sanji and luffy to win because they need help all the time or else they'd lose
 
#82
Still not my argument at all.

Hilarious how you berate Sanji on Queen's apparent "nerfs".....but you also want Zoro to do it at the same time.



I literally dont get why some of you Ztards are so fucking pressed. Yall cry Zoro is a natural talent and has worked hard for his merit. Yada yada. So when we defend yall and say a nerfing ability doesnt suit Zoro and he shouldnt have. Yall still get mad.

Were not salty due to the ability. Law can have these powers because thats what his DF powers were introduced to do. Thats how he was introduced to fight. Zoro having this ability and being useful against strong opponents will demerit his fight style. Hes a natural swordsman, who trains and shit. Id throught you "hard work" bitches would be the first to understand lol
Well Zoro's opponent's situation would be a direct result of Zoro having forged a black blade. I've never hung onto the idea that Zoro is essentially Rock Lee since Oda never mentioned something like that. But forging a black blade definitely falls under the idea of 'hard work' all the same.

If you disagree for a real reason that's ok, but pretending that Zoro having this power would be an immediate nerf for his opponent is dumb. Swords can have new powers revealed just like devil fruits, you're limiting discussion potential by putting them on a weird pedestal.
 
#83
So you admit you happy for sanji and luffy to win because they need help all the time or else they'd lose
When did I say I liked the way they won. I liked Sanji defeat Queen with IJ and his own strength. I however didnt like that he did it against a distracted Queen. Ive always been against that part.

Ive never ever liked how post timeskip Luffy has been beating opponents.

Again this still has nothing to do with my previous argument. But still nice to know thatd you whore Zoro out and make him fight nerfed people. Goes to show what kind of hypocrite you are.
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
#84
I literally dont get why some of you Ztards are so fucking pressed. Yall cry Zoro is a natural talent and has worked hard for his merit. Yada yada. So when we defend yall and say a nerfing ability doesnt suit Zoro and he shouldnt have. Yall still get mad.
Where did I disagree with your point that it doesn't suit Zoro and where did I get mad? Relax lmao.

Were not salty due to the ability. Law can have these powers because thats what his DF powers were introduced to do. Thats how he was introduced to fight.
When was Law introduced with the ability to nerf his opponents abilities? R-Room is an awakening ability which he used to counter BM's Soul Pocus/Homie Creation in the canon manga.

Im strictly talking about the connotations of having abilities that weaken your opponent. And how they are bad for protagonists in general
So when you act all high and mighty about how abilities that weaken opponents are bad for protagonists IN GENERAL, I merely asked where were you when R-Room was asspulled out of nowhere SOLELY to outright nullify BM's soul pocus. As you said, it isnt about Zoro or Law - it is about protagonists in GENERAL.

Zoro having this ability and being useful against strong opponents will demerit his fight style.
Never disagreed with it.
 
#85
When did I say I liked the way they won. I liked Sanji defeat Queen with IJ and his own strength. I however didnt like that he did it against a distracted Queen. Ive always been against that part.

Ive never ever liked how post timeskip Luffy has been beating opponents.

Again this still has nothing to do with my previous argument. But still nice to know thatd you whore Zoro out and make him fight nerfed people. Goes to show what kind of hypocrite you are.
Ah, so you'd just dislike if Oda went this way but you don't actually think it's impossible
 
#86
Well Zoro's opponent's situation would be a direct result of Zoro having forged a black blade. I've never hung onto the idea that Zoro is essentially Rock Lee since Oda never mentioned something like that. But forging a black blade definitely falls under the idea of 'hard work' all the same.

If you disagree for a real reason that's ok, but pretending that Zoro having this power would be an immediate nerf for his opponent is dumb. Swords can have new powers revealed just like devil fruits, you're limiting discussion potential by putting them on a weird pedestal.
Yh and thats a stupid ability. It makes his fights pointless since its less challenging. What happened to Zoro's infamous quote.



What hardship is there if his opponent is constantly getting weaker fighting Zoro. Its lame and I wouldnt wish this on any SH.

Ok let swords have powers. But not this power lol. This power is a pathetic power that limits growth.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#87
When did I say I liked the way they won. I liked Sanji defeat Queen with IJ and his own strength. I however didnt like that he did it against a distracted Queen. Ive always been against that part.

Ive never ever liked how post timeskip Luffy has been beating opponents.

Again this still has nothing to do with my previous argument. But still nice to know thatd you whore Zoro out and make him fight nerfed people. Goes to show what kind of hypocrite you are.
So you admit queen > sanji still since sanji loses without queen being retarded and distractions good to know.

Cry more
You the same clown who saying zoro been winning with odens haki
Spare me the I'm defending hardworking zoro nonsense
 
#88
Yh and thats a stupid ability. It makes his fights pointless since its less challenging. What happened to Zoro's infamous quote.



What hardship is there if his opponent is constantly getting weaker fighting Zoro. Its lame and I wouldnt wish this on any SH.

Ok let swords have powers. But not this power lol. This power is a pathetic power that limits growth.
What? Its an ability. Should luffy opponents complain cause he can stretch. You overcome your opponents abilities. Like what are you saying
 
#89
Where did I disagree with your point that it doesn't suit Zoro and where did I get mad? Relax lmao.


When was Law introduced with the ability to nerf his opponents abilities? R-Room is an awakening ability which he used to counter BM's Soul Pocus/Homie Creation in the canon manga.


So when you act all high and mighty about how abilities that weaken opponents are bad for protagonists IN GENERAL, I merely asked where were you when R-Room was asspulled out of nowhere SOLELY to outright nullify BM's soul pocus. As you said, it isnt about Zoro or Law - it is about protagonists in GENERAL.


Never disagreed with it.
You said we were salty for not liking this power. Im pretty sure this wasnt discounting me. And the fact that quoting Hal00L who was mad made me say it.

When does Kroom even nerf people ? Kroom has worked no diferent to his earlier powers. Its just internal attacks now. Saying the after-effects of an attack is a "nerf" is dumb.

I left that argument. And again Kroom isnt a nerf. Literally no different to his other fighting style. A nerf is taking or weakening someones powers...not their health.

Alright

Ah, so you'd just dislike if Oda went this way but you don't actually think it's impossible
Of course lol. Nothing is impossible for Lolda
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
#90
You said we were salty for not liking this power.
I said y'all were salty because you were crying about a theory about an ability which nerfs Zoro's opposition when such an ability already exists in Law's arsenal in the canon manga.

When does Kroom even nerf people ? Kroom has worked no diferent to his earlier powers. Its just internal attacks now. Saying the after-effects of an attack is a "nerf" is dumb.

I left that argument. And again Kroom isnt a nerf. Literally no different to his other fighting style. A nerf is taking or weakening someones powers...not their health.
Once again, I'm not talking about KROOM, I'm talking about R-Room. Re read the last chapter of Kid & Law vs BM, the chapter where the hag is yeeted out of Onigashima for good.
 
#91
So you admit queen > sanji still since sanji loses without queen being retarded and distractions good to know.

Cry more
You the same clown who saying zoro been winning with odens haki
Spare me the I'm defending hardworking zoro nonsense
When did I admit this lol. Sanji didnt need the scenario to win. Thats just the scenario that happened. His dealt with invisibility in 2 different ways already against Absaldom. And has literally researched and used invisibility. He never needed Chosme. Me saying this again isnt defending that Queen was still distracted or that I liked what happened. Just thought id have to reclarify.

And thats just simple trolling. The fact that you genuinely want Zoro to have these "Oden haki" like powers is concerning lmao
 
#92
Yh and thats a stupid ability. It makes his fights pointless since its less challenging. What happened to Zoro's infamous quote.



What hardship is there if his opponent is constantly getting weaker fighting Zoro. Its lame and I wouldnt wish this on any SH.

Ok let swords have powers. But not this power lol. This power is a pathetic power that limits growth.
Of course his fights are going to remain challenging - his opponents will simply get stronger/more skilled. I was even considering that he could only use this on non-CoC users, so there are still some tough YC1 fighters to use this against but top tiers could mostly resist it.

But yeah I'm good with it not being this power, I just wanted swords to have some more depth and struggled to think of any other useful abilities that would suit Enma at the same time.

It's fun that you add that quote though. I was thinking that if Zoro is so often in pain/injured he'll essentially force his opponents into a similar situation with this ability, basically a more sadistic style of fighting where he can better take on the idea of the king of hell. Like Tousen forcing his opponent to be blind with his Bankai so they experience the world like he does. Suffering is the path to enlightenment so Zoro almost sees it as a kindness/respect for his opponent.
 
#93
I said y'all were salty because you were crying about a theory about an ability which nerfs Zoro's opposition when such an ability already exists in Law's arsenal in the canon manga.


Once again, I'm not talking about KROOM, I'm talking about R-Room. Re read the last chapter of Kid & Law vs BM, the chapter where the hag is yeeted out of Onigashima for good.
Wtf is R-Room....that silence shit ?
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Of course his fights are going to remain challenging - his opponents will simply get stronger/more skilled. I was even considering that he could only use this on non-CoC users, so there are still some tough YC1 fighters to use this against but top tiers could mostly resist it.

But yeah I'm good with it not being this power, I just wanted swords to have some more depth and struggled to think of any other useful abilities that would suit Enma at the same time.

It's fun that you add that quote though. I was thinking that if Zoro is so often in pain/injured he'll essentially force his opponents into a similar situation with this ability, basically a more sadistic style of fighting where he can better take on the idea of the king of hell. Like Tousen forcing his opponent to be blind with his Bankai so they experience the world like he does. Suffering is the path to enlightenment so Zoro almost sees it as a kindness/respect for his opponent.
Black Blades having unique powers is interesting. But that particular power for Zoro should be scraped.
 
#95
Nah. I'm not against Zoro receiving some ability relating to Buddhist hell mythology whether that be a new god form, sone Asura advancement, hellfire or a kind of power associated with death/hell, but I'm not particularly interested in giving any of Zoro's swords a special hax ability that doesn't serve as a means to make Zoro himself stronger.

Unlike your suggestion, Enma's current ability to suck out the user's haki forced Zoro to release all his haki, unlocking AdCoC in the process, which can be applied to any blade, even without Enma's assistance.

What you're suggesting would make Enma the default blade to use in any attack to make Zoro's attacks optimal, whereas now practically any named blade can be used to achieve similar results in his techniques.
 
#96
What? Its an ability. Should luffy opponents complain cause he can stretch. You overcome your opponents abilities. Like what are you saying
Here we go again.....Luffy's powers dont weaken his opponents.
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Yes. Law, a protagonist, canonically has an ability which nerfed BM by just removing her ability to use soul pocus & power up/heal entirely. Asspulled out of nowhere in the final chapter alone.
I agree it was an asspull. But its more a counter than a nerf.
 
#98
@Chrono doesn't like protagonists using abilities that are there to nerf ones opponent
So he doesn't want zoro to have one of those either
Its not that complicated 🗿

Man even got people agreeing with him arguing against him for some reason lol
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
#99
Like Tousen forcing his opponent to be blind with his Bankai so they experience the world like he does.
Tosen's Bankai vs Kenpachi was a great fight ngl, a similar sequence can easily be written between Zoro and Shiryu replacing blindness with Shiryu's invisibility with Zoro allowing Shiryu to strike before catching him and striking back. That sequence was dope imo.
 
Nah. I'm not against Zoro receiving some ability relating to Buddhist hell mythology whether that be a new god form, sone Asura advancement, hellfire or a kind of power associated with death/hell, but I'm not particularly interested in giving any of Zoro's swords a special hax ability that doesn't serve as a means to make Zoro himself stronger.

Unlike your suggestion, Enma's current ability to suck out the user's haki forced Zoro to release all his haki, unlocking AdCoC in the process, which can be applied to any blade, even without Enma's assistance.

What you're suggesting would make Enma the default blade to use in any attack to make Zoro's attacks optimal, whereas now practically any named blade can be used to achieve similar results in his techniques.
This is true, if Zoro makes Enma or any one sword black without the others, and it leads to a more powerful blade and they become lopsided but I don't see how we avoid that happening

Lame af
Zoro aint sasuke
? Ok. Do you have any ideas for Zoro to improve otherwise or are you against black blades awakening a power completely?
 
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