Questions & Mysteries At what point will Luffy stop getting help?
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Thank you for the information, but could you please tell me what you're even talking about? You basically just repeated what I was implying. So, are you saying that Luffy didn't win against Kaidou on his own but rather through constant help and a continuous luck factor, right? Do you agree, or what are you trying to say?
The help that you're talking about contributed nothing to Kaido's defeat. It didn't even slow him down one bit.
Kaido treated everyone as trash except Luffy. It was Luffy who did all the work in Kaido's defeat
Yamato's statement ain't credible.
Luffy stated Kaido was getting stronger in his drunk more post sky split
Kaido treated everyone as trash except Luffy. It was Luffy who did all the work in Kaido's defeat
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Yamato's statement ain't credible.
Luffy stated Kaido was getting stronger in his drunk more post sky split
He will always get help. He does since he fought against Buggy.
VS Buggy -needed help from Nami and Zorro
VS Don Krieg - needed help from Sanji
VS Arlong -needed help from Sanji,Zorro and the Villagers
VS Smoker - needed help from Ace and Dragon
VS Crocodile - needed help from Robin twice
VS Enel - needed help from Viper and Nami
VS Moria and Oars -needed help from the whole SH and Lola Crew
one of the only pre timeskip fights he really won 1 VS 1 was Rob Lucci and this was his best fight against a main protagonist. After the timeskip it didn't got any better.
VS Buggy -needed help from Nami and Zorro
VS Don Krieg - needed help from Sanji
VS Arlong -needed help from Sanji,Zorro and the Villagers
VS Smoker - needed help from Ace and Dragon
VS Crocodile - needed help from Robin twice
VS Enel - needed help from Viper and Nami
VS Moria and Oars -needed help from the whole SH and Lola Crew
one of the only pre timeskip fights he really won 1 VS 1 was Rob Lucci and this was his best fight against a main protagonist. After the timeskip it didn't got any better.
Oh, please, don't play dumb... I know the narrative strength of One Piece lately has been on par with Winnie the Pooh, especially when it comes to the main crew, but surely not all your nerve and brain cells have deteriorated. Kaidou fought the Akazaya Nine for at least 10 chapters, and each of them managed to injure him. Then he fought alongside Big Mom against five members of the Worst Generation for 15-20 chapters, where, except for Kid, they all managed to injure or hurt him. Then, when Luffy got knocked down the second time, Kaidou fought with his son, Yamato, for several chapters, who was not only able to injure him but also knew the special Conqueror's Haki. And when Luffy got back into the picture, even Momonosuke took a few bites at him. And yet you can claim with a straight face that every other character's attacks just bounced off Kaidou, but whenever Luffy attacked, it just happened to hurt a lot and really wore Kaidou down? Yes, Kaidou didn't go down from any of those attacks, and none of them caused him so much pain that he would drop to his knees even for a few minutes, but the same can be said about Luffy. Except for his final attack, after every single one, Kaidou just kept fighting without any problem.
Did the story claim that Kaidou was continuously getting stronger? Where exactly? Was there such a line? After Yamato's battle with Kaidou ended and Luffy returned, the island started falling apart, and Kaidou's flame clouds became unstable. Yamato even mentioned that this was probably because Kaidou's strength was weakening more and more. The stakes for the rest of the battle against him were explicitly that if he got too weak or collapsed for good, everyone on the island could die. I see you're really paying attention to the development of the story if you thought the opposite. Oh, and please don't bring up as an example the moment when Luffy notes that his Haki got stronger while fighting a drunken Kaidou, because right before that, Kaidou himself said he was finally starting to acknowledge Luffy and was getting excited at the thought of fighting someone one-on-one again. This still doesn't mean that he suddenly became stronger, fresher, or more rested from one moment to the next
You see? It's no coincidence that I brought up Winnie the Pooh, because it seems you're incapable of interpreting things that aren't spoon-fed to you. Although, this is forgivable for Oda, most shounen mangaka make the same mistake, and then I'm surprised when masses of readers start arguing over things that should be self-evident. So, I'll explain it again: In his drunken state, Kaidou became more and more excited at the thought of finally fighting someone who SEEMED capable of going one-on-one with him. This excitement, and the fact that he was drunk, subconsciously made his Haki stronger, which is probably why he said he wouldn't get weaker from getting drunk. But this does not mean, and I'll say it again: This does not mean that overall, considering all aspects of the fight, he became stronger. On the contrary, according to Yamato, Kaidou consistently weakened during the remaining part of the battle.
Let me ask you a question: So did Luffy also not weaken but actually get stronger against Katakuri? Because in that fight, it was mentioned, and we saw, that Luffy's Observation Haki got progressively better/stronger. So, despite Katakuri beating the crap out of him, did he become physically stronger?
Let me ask you a question: So did Luffy also not weaken but actually get stronger against Katakuri? Because in that fight, it was mentioned, and we saw, that Luffy's Observation Haki got progressively better/stronger. So, despite Katakuri beating the crap out of him, did he become physically stronger?
Go reread the explanation of Haoshoku and then come back here.
CoC is tied to overall strength. If a character is getting weaker, their haki automatically gets weaker.
Kaido's Haki getting stronger means his strength was increasing.
Yes he did get stronger. It's called Haki bloom. Also stated in the story if u read it carefully
CoC is tied to overall strength. If a character is getting weaker, their haki automatically gets weaker.
Kaido's Haki getting stronger means his strength was increasing.
Yes he did get stronger. It's called Haki bloom. Also stated in the story if u read it carefully
Don't lecture me; I'm actually basing my points on the events of the manga and the statements of the characters or the author. Instead, I'd like to ask you to link the chapters or pages where your obsessions are validated.
Conqueror's Haki means surpassing the willpower of others who are presumably weaker mentally. The fact that someone is beaten to a pulp, blood is dripping from their body, they're panting, barely able to stand, but still capable of using their last bit of strength to unleash their Conqueror's Haki doesn't mean they've become stronger. The truth is, I can't understand your line of thinking because it's so illogical and self-contradictory that it's unbelievable. When Kaidou knocked out Luffy the first time, and he used his Conqueror's Haki even while unconscious, did that make him stronger too, or what the hell happened?
But let's just leave it at that. You want to see your own fantasies and solutions in the story, while I approach it too analytically. It must be my fault. Although, in that case, maybe you should sit down and argue with Oda because he's the one who stated that Kaidou was continuously weakening during the fight, from Yamato's perspective
Conqueror's Haki means surpassing the willpower of others who are presumably weaker mentally. The fact that someone is beaten to a pulp, blood is dripping from their body, they're panting, barely able to stand, but still capable of using their last bit of strength to unleash their Conqueror's Haki doesn't mean they've become stronger. The truth is, I can't understand your line of thinking because it's so illogical and self-contradictory that it's unbelievable. When Kaidou knocked out Luffy the first time, and he used his Conqueror's Haki even while unconscious, did that make him stronger too, or what the hell happened?
But let's just leave it at that. You want to see your own fantasies and solutions in the story, while I approach it too analytically. It must be my fault. Although, in that case, maybe you should sit down and argue with Oda because he's the one who stated that Kaidou was continuously weakening during the fight, from Yamato's perspective
