I think the awakened regular zoans are a lot stronger than people give them credit for. Lucci and Kaku are weaker than Luffy and Zoro. But Luffy is a yonko and Zoro is basically a low top tier.
The strength of their zoans is directly tied to their martial arts abilities. The fact that they fully mastered their DFs proves that they have fully mastered rokushiki. Which is why I think they're stronger than every beast pirate except for King .
The strength of their zoans is directly tied to their martial arts abilities. The fact that they fully mastered their DFs proves that they have fully mastered rokushiki. Which is why I think they're stronger than every beast pirate except for King .
Which is why Luffy will become the conqueror atop conquerors instead of Zoro.
It's amazing that some people truly believe Zoro's haki is comparable to that of the main character who embodies freedom and will. No character screams "haki" more than Luffy. For once just try to understand this story instead of making up power scales.
It's amazing that some people truly believe Zoro's haki is comparable to that of the main character who embodies freedom and will. No character screams "haki" more than Luffy. For once just try to understand this story instead of making up power scales.
If Ashura is retconned to be conqueror's, if anything.
Not like it would matter, anyways: one is becoming the supreme conqueror among conquerors, and that's not Zoro; one has the factually higher mastery of haki right now (future sight, level beyond of armament), and that's not Zoro; one wouldn't have left East Blue without the unstoppable will of Luffy carrying him, and this time that's indeed Zoro.
But, not surprisingly, you focused on made up power levels instead of reading the story. Nobody with a bit of honesty would actually read One Piece and put Zoro's will above Luffy's, he's the main character and therefore the person who embodies the themes of the whole story. His ambitions are higher than Zoro's, his willing attitude actually moved Zoro out of his confort zone, Zoro found an ambition greater than his own (as per Mihawk's words, clearly referring to Luffy)... and, on top of that, he represents supreme freedom.
And nothing in this story is a more potent example of strongest will than achieving supreme freedom, which in Luffy's mind not only means to do whatever he wants but also to defeat any force opposing such freedom ideals —which is, by the way, the reason why he aims at becoming the strongest person in the world, and this, again, includes Zoro.
Not like it would matter, anyways: one is becoming the supreme conqueror among conquerors, and that's not Zoro; one has the factually higher mastery of haki right now (future sight, level beyond of armament), and that's not Zoro; one wouldn't have left East Blue without the unstoppable will of Luffy carrying him, and this time that's indeed Zoro.
But, not surprisingly, you focused on made up power levels instead of reading the story. Nobody with a bit of honesty would actually read One Piece and put Zoro's will above Luffy's, he's the main character and therefore the person who embodies the themes of the whole story. His ambitions are higher than Zoro's, his willing attitude actually moved Zoro out of his confort zone, Zoro found an ambition greater than his own (as per Mihawk's words, clearly referring to Luffy)... and, on top of that, he represents supreme freedom.
And nothing in this story is a more potent example of strongest will than achieving supreme freedom, which in Luffy's mind not only means to do whatever he wants but also to defeat any force opposing such freedom ideals —which is, by the way, the reason why he aims at becoming the strongest person in the world, and this, again, includes Zoro.
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Nothing stats Luffy to become the supreme conqueror except your headcannon. His haki alone wasn't enough to beat Kaido neither his DF awakening(G5). He needed a hell of plot armor to beat Kaido.
If Ashura is not conqueror than Zoro straight up jumped from basico Conqueror to CoC Coating when he scarred Kaido.
Zoro growth's > Luffy's. Zoro is, always was and always will be stronger than Luffy.
If Ashura is not conqueror than Zoro straight up jumped from basico Conqueror to CoC Coating when he scarred Kaido.
Zoro growth's > Luffy's. Zoro is, always was and always will be stronger than Luffy.
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Takes a mentally ill individual to even compare zoro to luffy lol, you can NEVER compare a yonko with their commanders.
There is a reason to why one gives commands while the other take them.
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Zoro would have died against doflamingo, enel, katakuri, kaido, big mom and pretty much all major villains luffy fought against during the time of their respective arcs.
Zoro will NEVER be stronger than luffy.
There is a reason to why one gives commands while the other take them.
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Zoro would have died against doflamingo, enel, katakuri, kaido, big mom and pretty much all major villains luffy fought against during the time of their respective arcs.
Zoro will NEVER be stronger than luffy.
The Pirate King is the supreme conqueror as explained in Dressrosa.
Haki alone is never enough to defeat a strong adversary, your point?
Or Zoro just went all out and put his own life at risk, a situation that allowed him to unconsciously use coating with no mastery over it for one technique (a mastery he didn't even achieve during his fight with King, as he reflected on how exuding too much haki was killing him and couldn't handle Enma like Oden did). Unlike that, Luffy went to use it freely and with no apparent negative impact on him the moment he discovered it was possible.
Oh, and regarding Zoro's growth: both Zoro and Luffy learned how to use haki willingly during the timeskip. At this point of the story, Luffy has advanced his observation and maxed his armament to its most powerful level, both of which Zoro hasn't done; the only case you could make would be for Zoro and Luffy to have the same mastery over conqueror's, which first isn't necessarily true (it's night and day the difficult Luffy and Zoro faced at using haki) and also doesn't mean their conqueror's are comparable in power to begin with.
And Zoro will never be stronger than Luffy; quote me when:
1) Oda has Zoro wanting to become the strongest person in the world (not just among swordsmen) like he has done with Luffy.
2) Oda has Zoro giving himself the role to defeat the strongest threat like he has done with Luffy.
3) Oda has Zoro aiming at achieving the title that means becoming the conqueror atop conqueror's like he has done with Luffy.
I mean, quote me when Oda actually puts in explicit words that Zoro aims at becoming the strongest and actually serves a role that only the strongest can perform, like he has done with Luffy.
Haki alone is never enough to defeat a strong adversary, your point?
Or Zoro just went all out and put his own life at risk, a situation that allowed him to unconsciously use coating with no mastery over it for one technique (a mastery he didn't even achieve during his fight with King, as he reflected on how exuding too much haki was killing him and couldn't handle Enma like Oden did). Unlike that, Luffy went to use it freely and with no apparent negative impact on him the moment he discovered it was possible.
Oh, and regarding Zoro's growth: both Zoro and Luffy learned how to use haki willingly during the timeskip. At this point of the story, Luffy has advanced his observation and maxed his armament to its most powerful level, both of which Zoro hasn't done; the only case you could make would be for Zoro and Luffy to have the same mastery over conqueror's, which first isn't necessarily true (it's night and day the difficult Luffy and Zoro faced at using haki) and also doesn't mean their conqueror's are comparable in power to begin with.
And Zoro will never be stronger than Luffy; quote me when:
1) Oda has Zoro wanting to become the strongest person in the world (not just among swordsmen) like he has done with Luffy.
2) Oda has Zoro giving himself the role to defeat the strongest threat like he has done with Luffy.
3) Oda has Zoro aiming at achieving the title that means becoming the conqueror atop conqueror's like he has done with Luffy.
I mean, quote me when Oda actually puts in explicit words that Zoro aims at becoming the strongest and actually serves a role that only the strongest can perform, like he has done with Luffy.
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Zoro was perfectly fine to one-shot Enel since he already knew haki.
Zoro at DR was already much stronger than Doffy.
Katakuri couldn't do shit against Zoro cuts.
Zoro wouldn't be one-shotted by Kaido/Big Mom like Luffy did. Zoro easily would be any homies of Big Mom. I don't think he would beat Kaido/Big Mom alone without CoC coating but once he unlocked it he wouldn't need several rounds like Luffy and other people fighting them like Yamato.
If anything Buggy was the only villain Zoro would have problems.
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The Pirate King just travelled through all island. That's a title giving by a newspaper headline we learned that in Oden's flashback. Nothing greatness comes from this.
As Kaido said Haki alone made Roger what he was. The PK title itself is irrelevant but besides that Roger was still a Great Pirate like WB the difference is that WB had a DF so strong that could destroy the world while Roger only had haki.
Luffy never used Enma WTF are you talking? The problem was always Enma nerfing Zoro not he using CoC coating. He didn't unlocked CoC coating because of Enma otherwise he would already be using it since the beginning of Yonko fight.
Alabasta is pretty clear that Zoro learned both CoO and CoA. And he used it at free will since then.
I will quote you whenever I want.
Oda doesn't want Luff to become the strongest person. Luffy just want to be the freest person. Luffy is stupid when he thinks he has to beat everybody to become Pirate King when Roger didn't. Roger never beated anyone relevant by himself as far we know. Even Rocks he needed Garp and the betrayal plot.
Zoro was the one saving Luffy from Kaido. Not only Luffy but all other 4 supernova in that fight when Hakai came and no one was brave enough to face it.
Unlike Luffy Zoro aims a title between the strongests. Luffy doesn't care about that.
Zoro at DR was already much stronger than Doffy.
Katakuri couldn't do shit against Zoro cuts.
Zoro wouldn't be one-shotted by Kaido/Big Mom like Luffy did. Zoro easily would be any homies of Big Mom. I don't think he would beat Kaido/Big Mom alone without CoC coating but once he unlocked it he wouldn't need several rounds like Luffy and other people fighting them like Yamato.
If anything Buggy was the only villain Zoro would have problems.
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The Pirate King just travelled through all island. That's a title giving by a newspaper headline we learned that in Oden's flashback. Nothing greatness comes from this.
As Kaido said Haki alone made Roger what he was. The PK title itself is irrelevant but besides that Roger was still a Great Pirate like WB the difference is that WB had a DF so strong that could destroy the world while Roger only had haki.
Luffy never used Enma WTF are you talking? The problem was always Enma nerfing Zoro not he using CoC coating. He didn't unlocked CoC coating because of Enma otherwise he would already be using it since the beginning of Yonko fight.
Alabasta is pretty clear that Zoro learned both CoO and CoA. And he used it at free will since then.
I will quote you whenever I want.
Oda doesn't want Luff to become the strongest person. Luffy just want to be the freest person. Luffy is stupid when he thinks he has to beat everybody to become Pirate King when Roger didn't. Roger never beated anyone relevant by himself as far we know. Even Rocks he needed Garp and the betrayal plot.
Zoro was the one saving Luffy from Kaido. Not only Luffy but all other 4 supernova in that fight when Hakai came and no one was brave enough to face it.
Unlike Luffy Zoro aims a title between the strongests. Luffy doesn't care about that.
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Yeah Zoro already knew haki at time. Ask Oda wtf he did with him back then.
Cage strings is the ultimate villain plot armor. Fujitora couldn't do shit against it too. Bartolomeu Barrier couldn't stop it. Even Kaido would have died by it.
Zoro wasn't fast enough? Hahahaha. Zoro is reacting to King's flames off speed which makes him invisible just like Sanji. Zoro is reacting to Kaido speed with one-shotted Luffy that had FS. Zoro blocks, dodges and attacks Kaido. How the hell Katakuri is overcoming that?
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Nope it wasn't. Luffy had to use haki to beat Kaido.
Cage strings is the ultimate villain plot armor. Fujitora couldn't do shit against it too. Bartolomeu Barrier couldn't stop it. Even Kaido would have died by it.
Zoro wasn't fast enough? Hahahaha. Zoro is reacting to King's flames off speed which makes him invisible just like Sanji. Zoro is reacting to Kaido speed with one-shotted Luffy that had FS. Zoro blocks, dodges and attacks Kaido. How the hell Katakuri is overcoming that?
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Nope it wasn't. Luffy had to use haki to beat Kaido.