General & Others ''Base BB fought Shanks before Shanks was the captain''?

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Sasaki Kojirō

#21
We are underestimating how strong Yami Blackbeard is, that fruit by itself, without the need for Gura gura, already has the potential to make him the strongest in the verse.

Even Shanks claimed he wasn't off guard when Blackbeard marked him...
Oda may have made some future inconsistency, but we should take a good look at Blackbeard versus ACE...
 
#25
So I guess Sea King is also stronger than Mihawk since he took Shanks's arm lol.

Unless base BB got some hidden ability that we're not aware of, he wasn't a 1B level fighter 12 years ago since we know he struggled with 500M Ace after eating the Yami Yami and got negged by Magellan just 2 years ago, so that wouldn't make sense. Some things are done for plain story telling (like Shanks losing his arm to Sea King). BB and Shanks are obviously meant to fight, and the scar reflects that, but I guess y'all will take everything as power levels.

Anyway, World's Strongest swordsman > Swordsman, it doesn't get much clearer than this, you can keep up the mental gymnastics, it ain't gonna change it
 
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We are underestimating how strong Yami Blackbeard is, that fruit by itself, without the need for Gura gura, already has the potential to make him the strongest in the verse.

Even Shanks claimed he wasn't off guard when Blackbeard marked him...
Oda may have made some future inconsistency, but we should take a good look at Blackbeard versus ACE...
Blackbeard only recently gained the Yamu fruit, he scarred Shanks without it.
He had the scar in Luffy flashback
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So I guess Sea King is also stronger than Mihawk since he took Shanks's arm lol.

Unless base BB got some hidden ability that we're not aware of, he wasn't a 1B level fighter 12 years ago since we know he struggled with 500M Ace after eating the Yami Yami and got negged by Magellan just 2 years ago, so that wouldn't make sense. Some things are done for plain story telling (like Shanks losing his arm to Sea King). BB and Shanks are obviously meant to fight, and the scar reflects that, but I guess y'all will take everything as power levels.

Anyway, World's Strongest swordsman > Swordsman, it doesn't get much clearer than this, you can keep up the mental gymnastics, it ain't gonna change it
Blackbeard didn’t struggle
with Ace he outmatch him.

Ace is powerful so BB was deserving of a 1B bounty
 
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Sasaki Kojirō

#30
Blackbeard only recently gained the Yamu fruit, he scarred Shanks without it.
He had the scar in Luffy flashback
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Blackbeard didn’t struggle
with Ace he outmatch him.

Ace is powerful so BB was deserving of a 1B bounty
When I stated about the potential Blackbeard had with Yami I wasn't linking that to him tagging Shanks.
I know very well that he performed this feat without possessing any DF power, which makes the feat even more impressive...
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#31
We are underestimating how strong Yami Blackbeard is, that fruit by itself, without the need for Gura gura, already has the potential to make him the strongest in the verse.

Even Shanks claimed he wasn't off guard when Blackbeard marked him...
Oda may have made some future inconsistency, but we should take a good look at Blackbeard versus ACE...
You are correct. But then how strong is Akainu???

Yami/Gura Yonkou lvl BB + YC1 (+) Shiryu + Wolf + Devon + Vasco Shot + Pizzaro + Auger + Burgess + Lafitte + Doc Q

ran from 1 man??

What an absolue monster you have to agree. Oda wasn't lying when he said he'd be PK in 1 year if he were a pirate 💪
 
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Sasaki Kojirō

#33
You are correct. But then how strong is Akainu???

Yami/Gura Yonkou lvl BB + YC1 (+) Shiryu + Wolf + Devon + Vasco Shot + Pizzaro + Auger + Burgess + Lafitte + Doc Q

ran from 1 man??

What an absolue monster you have to agree. Oda wasn't lying when he said he'd be PK in 1 year if he were a pirate 💪
Wouldn't that be a topic for another topic?! I mean, you're getting off topic.
You can go ahead and create a thread to discuss your misguided perspective on how strong Akainu who is inferior to Kaidou is.
 
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Sasaki Kojirō

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You're kinda right. I think it's still something to consider when analyzing BB's strength.

Yami + Gura BB >> Yami BB >> Base BB

Yami BB also got destroyed by Deathbeard.

Finally a power scale that makes sense coming from you. Laughs.

When I claim that we were underestimating Blackbeard and more precisely Blackbeard with Yami, this is derived from the fact that:

- Whitebeard with the strongest Paramecia became the WSM.

- Kaidou with the strongest Zoan became the WSM.

So, with this data in hand, there is a high chance that stronger Df- Logia can make the user WSM, of course for this Blackbeard needs to have good stamina, good Haki and combat experience, that's why I mentioned that the fruit may have the potential to make you stronger, that is, to fully exploit you.

And technically no one is crazy to say that Blackbeard with Yami > Blackbeard with Gura Gura + Yami, Blackbeard himself put himself on a pedestal above when he obtained Gura Gura he claimed to have become "invincible".


About Blackbeard doing poorly initially against Whitebeard, it's quite common in fights nowadays, the high Blackbeard's over-reliability may have caused him to let his guard down a little more than usual, but there's no doubt on my part that Whitebeard took the early advantage over the confrontation and even managed to inflict a wound on Blackbeard. , but... Blackbeard after being "destroyed" by Whitebeard continued fighting without any problem against GARP + SENGOKU... And a broken person shouldn't even be able to get up right?!

And taking advantage of the comment, about Akainu for PK, well this scenario comes down to Akainu being able to enjoy all the privileges that a Shounen protagonist can, things like a heart beating out of nowhere after being killed (Who knows how many times he would be killed by Kaidou or anyone else. LOL), akainu becoming a joyboy, etc. .

So yes, with that level of plot armor akainu could indeed become PK, but the worst thing is that Kaidou without any plot armor is one step away from a piece, and he doesn't even enjoy the privileges of being an MC, and yet he is > Akainu..
 
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#36
And taking advantage of the comment, about Akainu for PK, well this scenario comes down to Akainu being able to enjoy all the privileges that a Shounen protagonist can, things like a heart beating out of nowhere after being killed (Who knows how many times he would be killed by Kaidou or anyone else. LOL), akainu becoming a joyboy, etc. .

So yes, with that level of plot armor akainu could indeed become PK, but the worst thing is that Kaidou without any plot armor is one step away from a piece, and he doesn't even enjoy the privileges of being an MC, and yet he is > Akainu..
Akainu is not going be killed by kaido. He kill kaido without any plot armor or power up.

switch vegeta , Moro, broly , frieza in son goku shoes in dragon ball . They can literally finish dragon ball in 10 chapters maximum . Dbz get 10-20 chapters. They don’t need plot armor .
‘Jiren in goku shoes would end dragon ball super faster just by blinking . .
‘Literally there are fan comics about vegeta replace Goku as main character

Oda say Akainu is strong as reason he can stream roll one piece world which oda say one piece series end in year . Nothing due with plot armor or your headcanon , bro.

If luffy is strong as Akainu, he would not need any main character privileges or plot armor.
 
#38
So I guess Sea King is also stronger than Mihawk since he took Shanks's arm lol.

Unless base BB got some hidden ability that we're not aware of, he wasn't a 1B level fighter 12 years ago since we know he struggled with 500M Ace after eating the Yami Yami and got negged by Magellan just 2 years ago, so that wouldn't make sense. Some things are done for plain story telling (like Shanks losing his arm to Sea King). BB and Shanks are obviously meant to fight, and the scar reflects that, but I guess y'all will take everything as power levels.

Anyway, World's Strongest swordsman > Swordsman, it doesn't get much clearer than this, you can keep up the mental gymnastics, it ain't gonna change it
Your Zolololo is in the mud
 
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Herrera95

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1 - Never saw anyone saying Mihawk and Shanks fought when Shanks was a Yonko.

2 - CoC Haki is a boost like DF.

3 - WG always thought Shanks as bigger threat than Shanks too. Yet Mihawk is WSS and not Shanks.

4 - Shanks fighting BB is not even canon yet. We know that Roger's crew fought WB's crew when both of them were member of one of those crew but we don't know if they fought each other back then or after that. We only know that Teach scarred Shanks.
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Yonko supremacy already in full effect dog. U can retired at this point

-admirals>Yonko already dead.
-Mihawk >shanks is dying an fast
-BB >everybody a matter of time
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Mihawk > Bartolomeu > Shanks
 
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