Character Discussion Best Era of Zoro's Character?

[HellBlazer04]

you have zoro as your sig....

Yeah no shit. I am a zoro fan.

Zoro states on several occasions when it comes down to his life vs protecting the crew that if he dies then he just wasn't strong enough.

Nope, never said that.
He said that when the situation gets tough he's not gonna just sit down and take the beating, he would fight back and if he happens to die during that then that's his limit.

his character was never destroyed in fact it was elevated and showcased camaraderie and loyalty for the crew, additionally Zoro knows that Luffys goals/dreams are bigger than his so if he cant protect Luffys then he has no right to achieve his.

if you want to cry about Zoro;s "character" then go back to when he lost to Mihawk & he realized he couldn't even achieve his own ambition if he couldn't protect his captain. he then publicly swore his loyalty to Luffy, promising he would never be defeated again.

Swearing loyalty and becoming luffy's dog is 2 different things. He has lost any individual thoughts and now everything about him revolves only around Luffy. If you think that's a good thing then I'm sorry to say but you have very low standards for character writing.

 

[Fn Lucci]

I am a zoro fan.


Swearing loyalty and becoming luffy's dog is 2 different things. He has lost any individual thoughts and now everything about him revolves only around Luffy.

It should be obvious that this is less about the how his character is written and the general lack of time in which the character is written.

It's like if the only time we saw him in Alabasta was snapping back on Smoker and the "two seconds" bit.

 

[Welkin]

Entire pre timeskip. Zoro was the 2nd best strawhat in pre timeskip (best was Sanji).

He was an actual character back then, while also having the most badass panels of the pre timeskip.

The "cut nothing" against Mr 1 was top tier writing. Zoro's vice captain moment in EL was great too, he was the only one who actively opposed taking back a deserter without outward admission of true remorse, and Sanji agreed!

Yet, "Nothing happened" was his best moment - it showed his transformation from "stand in the way of my dream and I'll kill you", to "my dream isn't worth it if it costs your life".
It is a great moment, but also completed his character arc halfway into the story. Which is unfortunate, because now Zoro is just.......there.......aura farming.

I've never really had a way to put it into words until now

People call Zoro a stagnant "boring" character but that's really only the case because he got all of the development he needed very early on in the story. When you have a manga that's going to end with over 1000 chapters and one of the main characters (argued to be the deuteragonist) has their character arc completed before the series even hits it's halfway point that's a bit of a problem

It isn't truly a problem but from the perspective of readers that enjoy growth, change, and development it makes Zoro come off a bit boring. Granted, Oda had the opportunity to build Zoro's character through revealing his past and exploring his ties to Wano (not only his ancestry but his personal relationships with the citizens there) and he completely dropped the ball on that

His connection to Yasuie, Toko, Hiyori, and Kiku felt like the perfect launching points and Oda never utilized them. Like we kept getting flashes of what could've been (Zoro wanting to avenge Yasuie, taking care of Toko, accepting Enma from Hiyori, his rage upon seeing Kiku's arm, etc) but he never truly did anything with it

I think that's always going to be people's main problem with Wano as a whole. It easily had the potential to be one of the best arcs in One Piece history but it felt like Oda spent so much time building things up only for there to be very little payoff for anything

 

[Rumble]

People call Zoro a stagnant "boring" character but that's really only the case because he got all of the development he needed very early on in the story

That’s neither why nor how writing works.

Character development isn’t just about changing a character. It’s also about revealing layers to them, and adding new ones by placing them in interesting settings that allow for that type of exploration.

Zoro may have like 3rd or 4th most panels in One Piece, but I think he is one of the most glaringly underserved characters in all of post-skip. Chief among my issues is indeed a lack of character development since the skip.

We’re some 600 chapters on and Oda hasn’t given much attention to Zoro outside of fights. He has left him to idle on aura farming mode while dedicating absurd attention to the stories of side characters, and often in excess.

Some cool power ups don’t make up for what that cost Zoro. The fact so little of Wano overall was directly to Zoro’s story says it all.

I wish Oda’s priorities hadn’t been such that it cost every Strawhats aside from Sanji in the post-skip. I don’t think it was worth it.

 

[Welkin]

That’s neither why nor how writing works.

Character development isn’t just about changing a character. It’s also revealing layers to them, and adding new ones by placing them in interesting settings that allow for that type of exploration.

Zoro may have like 3rd or 4th most panels in One Piece, but I think he is one of the most glaringly underserved characters in all of post-skip.

We’re some 600 chapters on from the skip and Zoro hasn’t been given much attention outside of fights.

Oda has left the character to idle on aura farming mode. Some cool power ups don’t make up for what that cost Zoro.

The fact so little of Wano overall was directly to Zoro’s story says it all.

I wish Oda’s priorities hadn’t been such that it cost every Strawhats aside from Sanji in the post-skip. I don’t think it was worth it.

I addressed everything you said in the rest of my post lol

That was the whole point of the Wano segment. That Oda had a chance to develop Zoro in Wano and failed

 

[Rumble]

I addressed everything you said in the rest of my post lol

That was the whole point of the Wano segment. That Oda had a chance to develop Zoro in Wano and failed

You've misunderstood my disagreements if you think so.

Your premise Zoro received all his development (or all he needed) early on in the story and completed his arc belies a fundamental misunderstanding of what character development is.

Character development isn’t just about changing a character. It’s also about revealing layers to them, and adding new ones by placing them in interesting settings that allow for that type of exploration.

Zoro may have like 3rd or 4th most panels in One Piece, but I think he is one of the most glaringly underserved characters in all of post-skip. Chief among my issues is indeed a lack of character development since the skip.

Zoro is underserved insofar as Oda exploring his perspective on things and agency in the plot.

You've lamented about potential storylines left to the wayside - I am saying, the lack of character development is adequately present in the storylines Zoro is already a part of, because Oda doesn't think it's worthwhile to explore what he thinks or feels about material issues, thereby denying readers further insight on his character and opportunities for Zoro to make interesting choices within his control.

Again, Zoro showing up to fight and aura farm doesn't make up for the lack of substantive writing that is fundamental to character development.

A lack of character development is typically only the symptom of a greater issue. Oda presents Zoro as a key drive in the story, but his characterisation in effect treats him like a bystander in it.

 

[HellBlazer04]

It should be obvious that this is less about the how his character is written and the general lack of time in which the character is written.

Oda had like 600 chapters to give good focus on zoro's character post ts but he continuously ruined it. Time was never the issue, it's zoro's association with Luffy that completely ruined him

 

[MUUGEN]

Lol, when did Luffy sacrifice himself for Ace?

literally put his life on the line against anyone and everyone all 3 admirals at once, senile, lihawk, snuck into EL….

should I go on?

 

[Fn Lucci]

literally put his life on the line against anyone and everyone all 3 admirals at once, senile, lihawk, snuck into EL….

should I go on?

He didn't sacrifice himself for Ace, lol. He did all of those things because, such as saving Ace or anyone else, he had goals to accomplish from his own perspective; risking his life is inherent and he didn't resign himself to defeat at any turn.

 

[MUUGEN]

He didn't sacrifice himself for Ace, lol. He did all of those things because, such as saving Ace or anyone else, he had goals to accomplish from his own perspective; risking his life is inherent and he didn't resign himself to defeat at any turn.

so tell me how he didnt sacrifice himself & his own goals/dreams.....

 

[Fn Lucci]

so tell me how he didnt sacrifice himself & his own goals/dreams.....

Because at no turn, win or lose, was his goal changed.

Again, Luffy's goal is to be pirate king. He has understood from the very beginning that putting his life on the line is a necessity.

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The average reader can definitely understand the difference between what he does and

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If the comparison in story wasn't enough, he has other characters comment on it

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I mean no offense, but I don't know how much more clear it could be...

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[MUUGEN]

Because at no turn, win or lose, was his goal changed.

Again, Luffy's goal is to be pirate king. He has understood from the very beginning that putting his life on the line is a necessity.

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The average reader can definitely understand the difference between what he does and

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If the comparison in story wasn't enough, he has other characters comment on it

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I mean no offense, but I don't know how much more clear it could be...

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& when exactly did Zoros goal change?

lol

 

[Fn Lucci]

& when exactly did Zoros goal change?

lol

Dying at the hands of Kuma was a forfeit of his dream for Luffy's, which is why Sanji said what he said. This is not dying for his own dream, which nearly happened at Baratie. There's no argument here bruv.

 

[MUUGEN]

Dying at the hands of Kuma was a forfeit of his dream for Luffy's, which is why Sanji said what he said. This is not dying for his own dream, which nearly happened at Baratie. There's no argument here bruv.

FFS can you fkm new gen kids actually read the manga the stupidity between you & hellblazer is bothersome to the OG fans.


ill reiterate before i bring out manga canon, Zoro doesnt just lay his life on the line for Luffy, yes it is an aspect of it but Kuma gave everyone an ulitmatum either Luffys head or they all die, Zoro didnt equate but compared PK to WSS stating the gain for Kuma will be slightly less than the head of a future PK then goes onto once again state that this is the only way to save the crew and his ambition isnt worth anything if he cant at the least save his own captan but heres the manga panels for you tw illiterates to stfu even then i wont be surprised when your head cannon stupity brings out some more nonsense out of your ass.

yet you will come here and slnder zoro even though sanji did the exact same thing and wont give sanji the same treatment.

gg go next.

 

[ThunderSupernova]

Every era

Zoro is the most appreciated One Piece character bar the main protagonist, this says all you need to know
He carries the series

 

[Fn Lucci]

FFS can you fkm new gen kids actually read the manga the stupidity between you & hellblazer is bothersome to the OG fans.


ill reiterate before i bring out manga canon, Zoro doesnt just lay his life on the line for Luffy, yes it is an aspect of it but Kuma gave everyone an ulitmatum either Luffys head or they all die, Zoro didnt equate but compared PK to WSS stating the gain for Kuma will be slightly less than the head of a future PK then goes onto once again state that this is the only way to save the crew and his ambition isnt worth anything if he cant at the least save his own captan but heres the manga panels for you tw illiterates to stfu even then i wont be surprised when your head cannon stupity brings out some more nonsense out of your ass.

yet you will come here and slnder zoro even though sanji did the exact same thing and wont give sanji the same treatment.

gg go next.

Lol new gen. I was the 14th member of the AP forums. I see why the other guy left your crying ass alone lol. All you'd have to do is find a scan of someone saying that Luffy is giving up his ambition on behalf of another, but you can't.

 

[HerreraIsBack]

People voting for Thriller Bark just because of one moment (Nothing Happened) but Water 7/Enies Lobby was PEAK One Piece for a reason. Not only for the battles and power ups but also characterization.

There is no discussion there is no debate. Every character of that arc had his peak characterization right there.

 

[MUUGEN]

Lol new gen. I was the 14th member of the AP forums. I see why the other guy left your crying ass alone lol. All you'd have to do is find a scan of someone saying that Luffy is giving up his ambition on behalf of another, but you can't.

cool love how this is your nly response, but manga panels speak....

 

[MUUGEN]

People voting for Thriller Bark just because of one moment (Nothing Happened) but Water 7/Enies Lobby was PEAK One Piece for a reason. Not only for the battles and power ups but also characterization.

There is no discussion there is no debate. Every character of that arc had his peak characterization right there.

this is facts, my favorite version well everything up to that point was an accumulation of character development funny part though the total legth of time in OP terms is like a month from joining to W7

 

[HerreraIsBack]

this is facts, my favorite version well everything up to that point was an accumulation of character development funny part though the total legth of time in OP terms is like a month from joining to W7

Luffy went from 0 bounty to 400mi highest supernova bounty in a month