Versus Battle Big Mom vs Hashirama
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god of shinobi restrict/seal BM with myojinmon or blind her with his darkness jutsu before pulverizing her with mountain lvl attks via shensusenju. or hashi can just summon a large body of water and watch her drown for the lolz.
naruto top tiers dura is paper lvl compare to OP but there hax and AP is nutty.
naruto top tiers dura is paper lvl compare to OP but there hax and AP is nutty.
kishi really pump a crazy amount of hax and AP near the end of naruto. imagine ninjas throwing nukes and hax like shurikens.
part 1 naruto was godly though a perfect opener before ruining it with his dumb plotline, messiah chosen one shenanigans and inserting freaking aliens into his series.
part 1 naruto was godly though a perfect opener before ruining it with his dumb plotline, messiah chosen one shenanigans and inserting freaking aliens into his series.
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All of her Homies got clowned so bad lmao
Again, she was also the reason why Hakai happened, so her AP can't be that weak or at least we can conclude that Kaido's AP is subpar too. Kidd isn't necessarily as tough as Kaido but he can endure a lot of punishment. Even chapter 1000 Luffy tried to avoid Ikkoku as much as possible - Kidd endured this attack.
Hence, it hypes Kidd and does not dehype Big Mom.
Hence, it hypes Kidd and does not dehype Big Mom.
What it means is most of her moves are not that effective / damaging. She has some high end attacks but the fact Kidd can take it and not even comment about the attack damages her credibility. Kidd doesn't have top tier durability, his durability has never been highlighted by Oda. It's very good but that's about it.
Eh, I think hakiless amnesia Linlin devastating Queen like that was pretty decent, right? First of all, I don't think Queen was truly koed there but it's clear Big Mom's two attacks significantly damaged him to the point in which Queen waited for an opportunity to sneak attack Big Mom. Secondly, Queen is a high tier with high durability and endurance - he tanked lots of attacks during the raid which makes Big Mom's strength even more impressive imo.
Now let's look at Kidd again: Kidd's dura isn't necessarily high tier but his dura ain't really high tier either, at least it's significantly higher than Queen who's already a strong high tier.
At the end, the fight isn't over yet but due to scaling - and feats - she's comparable to other OP top tiers too. There's a good argument for Hashirama > Big Mom but it's no less than high diff imo.
Now let's look at Kidd again: Kidd's dura isn't necessarily high tier but his dura ain't really high tier either, at least it's significantly higher than Queen who's already a strong high tier.
At the end, the fight isn't over yet but due to scaling - and feats - she's comparable to other OP top tiers too. There's a good argument for Hashirama > Big Mom but it's no less than high diff imo.
You does not need to highlight someone like that
Law tanked Kaido´s attacks and Kidd tanked BM´s attacks hence both has rly good Dura feats,.Why should count that as Anti-feat?This is not the OPB section which get ruled by classic downplay and stuff like "Queen is fat hence he is slow" ignoring the fact he can keep up with Sanji and is on par with Niji via Germa Tech.I know BM has a shit lot of low-end feats unlike Hashi who has 0(?) bad feats.
KKG or ISDS is kindergarten for Yonkous yet all of them scale to that.
Law tanked Kaido´s attacks and Kidd tanked BM´s attacks hence both has rly good Dura feats,.Why should count that as Anti-feat?This is not the OPB section which get ruled by classic downplay and stuff like "Queen is fat hence he is slow" ignoring the fact he can keep up with Sanji and is on par with Niji via Germa Tech.I know BM has a shit lot of low-end feats unlike Hashi who has 0(?) bad feats.
KKG or ISDS is kindergarten for Yonkous yet all of them scale to that.
Because one of her collab moves seemingly can't hurt defenseless Kidd. It's good for Kidd, sure. It's not a good look for Linlin and pretending it's a whatever for her is weird.
Law used a defensive move and was coughing blood when he was attacked, Kidd legit no sold it while on the ground, unaware of Linlin's presence. Two different scenarios.
I never said Kidd didn't have solid durability, but the fact Oda hasn't highlighted it in the arc where characters with exceptional durability are being name dropped fixes Kidd below top tier durability. The fact she was given a free shot at him and used 2 homies together and didn't leave a mark is detrimental to Linlin. You wouldn't expect a free blow from Zoro to go ignored or have no consequences.
I really disagree here. Linlin's Ikkoku and Advanced CoC. blows are her best moves here, but Hashirama's Torii gates restrain physical movement. Hashirama's mokuton golem was tanking a Bijuu bomb that can account for and destroy several mountains without being damaged, without senjutsu no less. Then you have the Mokuton flowering tree jutsu that'll knock Linlin unconscious. Add in Bringer Darkness and you completely wipe away Linlin's vision. She has CoO, but no one credible is banking on Linlin fighting well with her CoO.
Once Hashirama restrains her, he just has to drown her. And he has multiple ways of restraining her.
Law used a defensive move and was coughing blood when he was attacked, Kidd legit no sold it while on the ground, unaware of Linlin's presence. Two different scenarios.
I never said Kidd didn't have solid durability, but the fact Oda hasn't highlighted it in the arc where characters with exceptional durability are being name dropped fixes Kidd below top tier durability. The fact she was given a free shot at him and used 2 homies together and didn't leave a mark is detrimental to Linlin. You wouldn't expect a free blow from Zoro to go ignored or have no consequences.
I really disagree here. Linlin's Ikkoku and Advanced CoC. blows are her best moves here, but Hashirama's Torii gates restrain physical movement. Hashirama's mokuton golem was tanking a Bijuu bomb that can account for and destroy several mountains without being damaged, without senjutsu no less. Then you have the Mokuton flowering tree jutsu that'll knock Linlin unconscious. Add in Bringer Darkness and you completely wipe away Linlin's vision. She has CoO, but no one credible is banking on Linlin fighting well with her CoO.
Once Hashirama restrains her, he just has to drown her. And he has multiple ways of restraining her.
Hashirama can survive bigger/faster attacks than what bigmom can produce rn. Dude repealed biju bombs/ can defeat a fast ms madara evading his hax one shot genjutsu, bm is to slow and weak in comparation. Rin Madara needed hashiramas body to stalemate a paper-wood copy of Hashis :).
Even if Big Moms escapes the seals/give them life, thats does not mean that she is gonna survive vs sage mode hashirama. The sage mode attacks will make BM explode and gg. BM is fighting rn in a small hall and she already offed 1 yr of her life, Hashirama produces seals/beasts bigger than that hall(bigger than onigashima if he wants).
Its a low diff fight.
If Hashirama was in the op world his coc would have been op, dude has so much presence and motivation that he would make Big Mom faint lol.
Even if Big Moms escapes the seals/give them life, thats does not mean that she is gonna survive vs sage mode hashirama. The sage mode attacks will make BM explode and gg. BM is fighting rn in a small hall and she already offed 1 yr of her life, Hashirama produces seals/beasts bigger than that hall(bigger than onigashima if he wants).
Its a low diff fight.
If Hashirama was in the op world his coc would have been op, dude has so much presence and motivation that he would make Big Mom faint lol.