Yeah, sometimes, they are well aware of what they are doing, but those must represent 0.1 % of the base. Usually, you don't become fascist because you choice to do evil, instead you actually perpetuate a system you think benefit the humanity.. which is what being ignorant and missinformed in that context means.
No matter how many books you have read or how many painting you have created, if you are a fascist, it means you have a gap of knowledge that you are filling with a biased vision of reality. You are therefore both ignorant AND missinformed.
And it's that gap of knowledge that we must target to avoid that ideology.
No matter how many books you have read or how many painting you have created, if you are a fascist, it means you have a gap of knowledge that you are filling with a biased vision of reality. You are therefore both ignorant AND missinformed.
And it's that gap of knowledge that we must target to avoid that ideology.
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Famous lowlives like Doncuck and Jerkir appeal to less famous lowlives like their supporters by encouraging them to embrace their worst selves, that's how.
The lowlives attacking either Capitol knew that they could have a harder time embracing their worst selves had their "patrons" lost or gone, that's why they did what they did: so they can continue embracing their worst selves.
The lowlives attacking either Capitol knew that they could have a harder time embracing their worst selves had their "patrons" lost or gone, that's why they did what they did: so they can continue embracing their worst selves.
That's a very poor understanding of fascism.
If fascist were fully aware of their ideology, they would stop it in second.
The reason you can't stop fascism easily, is the same reason you can't stop fake news in the blink of an eye. The package is false, but it's gigantic and attractive.
Therefore to understand and counter fascism, you need to understand A LOT OF THINGS before that. And when I'm talking about knowledge, I talked also about social knowledge, emotional knowledge etc. Things that are not present for everyone.
So in a sence, yes, fascist are aware of an ideology. But what they are aware of is just the package of their ideology, the rest remains oblivious to them EVEN when they are participating in the front raw seats.
Doesn't it make them less responsible ? No. But we need to understand that fact rapidely to understand how to break fascism from the inside, all the more in our networked societies:
- How it starts
- How it spreads
- How it appears at first
- How it transforms
- The way it shapes minds
- Who are the leaders
etc.
And none of what I say negates that fact.
What you must understand now, is that all human can become monsters. Even you and me. In fact, I just had to scolded a guys two or three post ahead that was speaking about murdering a crowd for good. This.. is the beginning of fascism.
If fascist were fully aware of their ideology, they would stop it in second.
The reason you can't stop fascism easily, is the same reason you can't stop fake news in the blink of an eye. The package is false, but it's gigantic and attractive.
Therefore to understand and counter fascism, you need to understand A LOT OF THINGS before that. And when I'm talking about knowledge, I talked also about social knowledge, emotional knowledge etc. Things that are not present for everyone.
So in a sence, yes, fascist are aware of an ideology. But what they are aware of is just the package of their ideology, the rest remains oblivious to them EVEN when they are participating in the front raw seats.
Doesn't it make them less responsible ? No. But we need to understand that fact rapidely to understand how to break fascism from the inside, all the more in our networked societies:
- How it starts
- How it spreads
- How it appears at first
- How it transforms
- The way it shapes minds
- Who are the leaders
etc.
And none of what I say negates that fact.
What you must understand now, is that all human can become monsters. Even you and me. In fact, I just had to scolded a guys two or three post ahead that was speaking about murdering a crowd for good. This.. is the beginning of fascism.
You are missunderstanding knowing and understanding.
Those guys knew. Of course. Did they understood fully what they were doing ? No.
For them it was the right thing to do.
You need to understand that there is a difference in knowing your ideology and being fully aware of it. When you just know what fascism is, you are aware of nothing, you just know a word, you can't self reflect. It only happening to "the others". And if you have a good faith, then your actions must be justified.
But when you are fully understanding what fascism means, then you are fully aware of it. You can comprehend it's roots, you can fight it when it's ideologies are reaching you. It means that you are less likely to don't succomb to fear, to bias, to the logic of the cult.
It means that you will also understand the redflags in social medias, in society, in politics.
Knowing that fascism exist don't protect you from fascism.
Those guys knew, but they had NO IDEA what they were truly doing. Simply because to get that understanding, a enormous self reflection is needed.
Those guys knew. Of course. Did they understood fully what they were doing ? No.
For them it was the right thing to do.
You need to understand that there is a difference in knowing your ideology and being fully aware of it. When you just know what fascism is, you are aware of nothing, you just know a word, you can't self reflect. It only happening to "the others". And if you have a good faith, then your actions must be justified.
But when you are fully understanding what fascism means, then you are fully aware of it. You can comprehend it's roots, you can fight it when it's ideologies are reaching you. It means that you are less likely to don't succomb to fear, to bias, to the logic of the cult.
It means that you will also understand the redflags in social medias, in society, in politics.
Knowing that fascism exist don't protect you from fascism.
Those guys knew, but they had NO IDEA what they were truly doing. Simply because to get that understanding, a enormous self reflection is needed.
Don't throw these numbers for show.
Fascism is a much deeper and complex phenomenon than simply "99.9% of the nazis didn't know they were supporting the mass murdering of jews and other minorities".
Fascism feeds from people's fears and hatred. It's not rational. Even when they are shown the "truth", most CHOOSE to ignore it and believe what they want to believe.
And here we have the other side of the spectrum.
Some of them don't know. Because the information that reaches each person is catered towards what they wanna know.
Taking Bolsonaro, for example. He had the support from 2 major groups. Extremists, and evangelicals.
For the extremists, the "bolsonaro" that appeared to them through massive network environments (particularly from Whatsapp and Facebook), was the "badass, wants to challenge the system, Bolsonaro".
For the religious groups, what appeared to them was the "kind, family man, religious Bolsonaro".
If you studied the episode from Trump's first election and the whole Cambridge Analytics thing, you should have a grasp of what I'm trying to say.
Fascism is a much deeper and complex phenomenon than simply "99.9% of the nazis didn't know they were supporting the mass murdering of jews and other minorities".
Fascism feeds from people's fears and hatred. It's not rational. Even when they are shown the "truth", most CHOOSE to ignore it and believe what they want to believe.
And here we have the other side of the spectrum.
Some of them don't know. Because the information that reaches each person is catered towards what they wanna know.
Taking Bolsonaro, for example. He had the support from 2 major groups. Extremists, and evangelicals.
For the extremists, the "bolsonaro" that appeared to them through massive network environments (particularly from Whatsapp and Facebook), was the "badass, wants to challenge the system, Bolsonaro".
For the religious groups, what appeared to them was the "kind, family man, religious Bolsonaro".
If you studied the episode from Trump's first election and the whole Cambridge Analytics thing, you should have a grasp of what I'm trying to say.
There is no need for number in fact, the representation of fully aware people on facism is close to 0
Like I said to the previous poster, we must be careful not to confuse "knowing" and "understanding" fascism. Knowing about fascism don't protect anyone from fascism. Understanding it on the contrary (meaning being fully aware of it, the number I just come up with) creates a natural protection to it.
Only pathological case would still follow their ideology while being fully aware of what it is. And those case in the entire earth history must be very scares.
Of course it's rational.
We need to stop this false ideology that fascism is not rational.
It's a fully rationnal ideology, an EVIL one, but a rational one nonetheless. We need to stop trying to separate US from THEM. We are the SAME people.
The problem of fascism is that this ideology is based on lies, fear, propagenda and false promisses. So that ideology is bound to crumble on itself, but their is a real reasonning being it.
That's why Fascism and bigotery in general is so difficult to "erease". It follow the Brandolini Law: Just like you need a LOT of explaination to debunk a little fake news, you need an entire library of general knowledge, emotional and social knowledge to debunk fascism.
Reason why it's always easier (and recommended) to prevent fascism than to counter it.
Like I said to the previous poster, we must be careful not to confuse "knowing" and "understanding" fascism. Knowing about fascism don't protect anyone from fascism. Understanding it on the contrary (meaning being fully aware of it, the number I just come up with) creates a natural protection to it.
Only pathological case would still follow their ideology while being fully aware of what it is. And those case in the entire earth history must be very scares.
Of course it's rational.
We need to stop this false ideology that fascism is not rational.
It's a fully rationnal ideology, an EVIL one, but a rational one nonetheless. We need to stop trying to separate US from THEM. We are the SAME people.
The problem of fascism is that this ideology is based on lies, fear, propagenda and false promisses. So that ideology is bound to crumble on itself, but their is a real reasonning being it.
That's why Fascism and bigotery in general is so difficult to "erease". It follow the Brandolini Law: Just like you need a LOT of explaination to debunk a little fake news, you need an entire library of general knowledge, emotional and social knowledge to debunk fascism.
Reason why it's always easier (and recommended) to prevent fascism than to counter it.