Speculations Break Week: Black Blades

#1
So far what we know about black blades/weapons are the following, not doing a very thorough essay on this:
Zoro gets Shusui, tells that a black blade won't break/bend even if a dinosaur stepped on it. Black blades are the toughest/most durable weapons.
Mihawk teaches Zoro haki and tells him that any blade/weapon can be turned into a black blade. Black blades are forged. At that time due to context the general consensus was that CoA is required or is the main factor for forging a black blade, now we know CoC or ACoC is an upgrade of that.
Onimaru tells Zoro that Ryuma forged Shusui into a black blade through a history of battles.
Yoru is called the strongest black blade, it is of supreme grade, Shusui is great grade.
In the magazine road to Laugh Tale, it is said that WB also has a supreme grade blade like Ace of Roger and it is required or that the blade is strong enough to channel his enormous strength. Similarly with Kaido's Kanabo the same is stated and that his Kanabo would be legendary.

Over time some theories have come up to explain how black blades are made/forged. Some say that with top tier armament you can make one. Some say that you need to have a very loving relationship with your sword/blade to make it a black blade. Some say you need to fulfill the sword's dream to make it a black blade etc.

To this day it is one of the most intriguing mysteries of OP, even devil fruits have now been explained before black blades. And it seems unlikely that we are going to get the answer anytime soon. The biggest problem is that when you think of top tiers like WB, Roger, Kaido, Ray you realize that none of these guys was able to forge a black blade. I think we can all agree that the four guys are absolute top tiers in terms of haki CoA, ACoA, CoC, ACoC. Two of them have supreme grade weapons. One is confirmed to have a very loving relationship with his sword so much so that he named his son after it. And they all have lived longer as pirates and most probably have had much more battles and experience than Mihawk. At this point all three points separately or collectively do not seem to answer the question.

Top Tier Haki, Check
History of Battles, Check
Loving Relationship, Check

The only thing that makes sense to me at this point is that you need more power, a stronger haki to make a blade/weapon permanently black. And by power I mean AP that allows the attacker to cut/destroy anything. That is when true pinnacle of swordsmanship is achieved when you have the power to cut anything that you wish. I think this happens when the wielders strength grows beyond what the blade/weapon can handle and hence it requires the wielder to reinforce it. The reinforcement is not to protect the blade from outside damage like normal CoA is used but from the internal damage which will shatter the weapon due to the overwhelming power of the wielder. Hence it requires more strength/power to forge supreme grade into a black blade than a great grade sword and why WB and Roger have not been able to forge their supreme grades into black blades.
 

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#2
Nice sum up. Here's my black blade theory (I think I have at least 100 posts like this lmao).
Apparently naming your son after your sword is not enough love.:kobeha:

Anyway, I will stick with my theory until it gets confirmed or debunked. You can make a black blade by fulfilling your dream of being the strongest swordsman of your era. Guys like Roger, Shanks, Oden, Rayleigh, etc. didn't create a black blade because they were never on the path of swordsmanship or aiming for the WSS title in the first place.
 
#4
I think they are awakening just like Zoans.

Now that i think about it their grading system are just like Zoans too with 3 classes top12 is like Mythical Zoans so if Zoro makes Enma black it would be like he has one Mythical weapon, talk about cheating nad ofcourse weapons doesn't give one power.:noo::moonwalk:
 
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#6
Enma already has Oden's aura inside it, it won't turn black only because of Zolo.

Its a matter of time process.

Who told you Ryuma was the first user of Shusui who told you no one used Kokuto Yoru before Mihawk?

ZKKfans should think, all I can see fanfic top tier Haki claims etc they forget Zolo is Luffy's underling, Roger negs Mihawk with his Haki as well as Mihawk admitted weakness vs Old WB, none had black blades.
 
#7
Enma already has Oden's aura inside it, it won't turn black only because of Zolo.

Its a matter of time process.

Who told you Ryuma was the first user of Shusui who told you no one used Kokuto Yoru before Mihawk?

ZKKfans should think, all I can see fanfic top tier Haki claims etc they forget Zolo is Luffy's underling, Roger negs Mihawk with his Haki as well as Mihawk admitted weakness vs Old WB, none had black blades.
Who told u yoru was used before?
Who told you shusui was used before?
 
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Herrera95

#10
You all missing the point. The real question is why Mihawk didn't forged all his kitchen knives into black blades. And why Ryuuma didn't let aa legacy of thousands of black blades passing over generations of samurais...

By the way the more you think about black blades the more Mihawk seems incredible. And about grades to fit your theory Mihawk may have had a great grade blade that became Supreme once forged into black blade. But I don't think so since we have no grade after Supreme.
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Nice sum up. Here's my black blade theory (I think I have at least 100 posts like this lmao).
Just had to say that Roger never loved Ace. He was selfish just wanted someone to fulfill his dream for him. If anything Ace was an instrument for Roger. And so was Rogue.
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Inside Yoru lives a Mihawk with 🕶️ that will explain everything to us.
Zangetsu.
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I think they are awakening just like Zoans.

Now that i think about it their grading system are just like Zoans too with 3 classes top12 is like Mythical Zoans so if Zoro makes Enma black it would be like he has one Mythical weapon, talk about cheating nad ofcourse weapons doesn't give one power.:noo::moonwalk:
Actually 4 classes. And most likely Enma remains as a great grade but with status of a normal Supreme. And the same was probably with Shusui.
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Enma already has Oden's aura inside it, it won't turn black only because of Zolo.

Its a matter of time process.

Who told you Ryuma was the first user of Shusui who told you no one used Kokuto Yoru before Mihawk?

ZKKfans should think, all I can see fanfic top tier Haki claims etc they forget Zolo is Luffy's underling, Roger negs Mihawk with his Haki as well as Mihawk admitted weakness vs Old WB, none had black blades.
Zoro*
Nowhere in manga states Oden aura on it. Only your headcannon.
You have a point about Ryuuma and Shusui but Mihawk talks about black blades like he did one before. It is an assumption but of 99% certainty.

Mihawk never declared weakness against WB and Roger was never WSS. Mihawk shits him. WB is different though.
 
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nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#11
After 1071+ chapters, with all powers explained, both the DF awakenings and haki of handful of strongest, Kokutos are still the biggest mystery of One Piece world. The best always comes last and considering all the great names that werent capable of forging Kokutos, it might be hell of a thing. A thing worthy of the strongest in the past, strongest in the present and strongest in the future. :finally:

Enma already has Oden's aura inside it, it won't turn black only because of Zolo.

Its a matter of time process.

Who told you Ryuma was the first user of Shusui who told you no one used Kokuto Yoru before Mihawk?

ZKKfans should think, all I can see fanfic top tier Haki claims etc they forget Zolo is Luffy's underling, Roger negs Mihawk with his Haki as well as Mihawk admitted weakness vs Old WB, none had black blades.
Another post that reeks of insecurity due to Zoro and Mihawk... I really hope you can sleep without nightmares caused by these two. :catlewd:
 
#13
:goyea::holdthisl:
Zoro*
Nowhere in manga states Oden aura on it. Only your headcannon.
You have a point about Ryuuma and Shusui but Mihawk talks about black blades like he did one before. It is an assumption but of 99% certainty.

Mihawk never declared weakness against WB and Roger was never WSS. Mihawk shits him. WB is different though.
Zolo the underling of Luffy according to VIZ. :goyea:

And:
 
#17
Oden's presence and Strange Haki... One statement nullifys the other.
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:suresure: Lmao this is desperate.

Funny the point is they can't detect Zolo's Haki. Kaido clearly knows his name is ''Pirate Hunter'' but he can't say its Zolo's Haki, its someone else's.
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This low T cuck thinks that he can edit posts from 2019 without anyone noticing. Another gigantic L for the L collector. :pepehawk:
If your only counter argument is a post from 3 years ago when we didn't know Yonko doesn't boost bounties and we didn't know Mihawk being the Marine Hunter and we didn't know a guy with 3 billion bounty that they say he is stronger than Mihawk, you ZKK boys are very very desperate.

Literally what I said is still true since a guy with 3 billion bounty is stronger than Mihawk so Mihawk isn't Yonko level.
 
#19
:suresure: Lmao this is desperate.

Funny the point is they can't detect Zolo's Haki. Kaido clearly knows his name is ''Pirate Hunter'' but he can't say its Zolo's Haki, its someone else's.
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If your only counter argument is a post from 3 years ago when we didn't know Yonko doesn't boost bounties and we didn't know Mihawk being the Marine Hunter and we didn't know a guy with 3 billion bounty that they say he is stronger than Mihawk, you ZKK boys are very very desperate.

Literally what I said is still true since a guy with 3 billion bounty is stronger than Mihawk so Mihawk isn't Yonko level.
:pepehawk:
 
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