Powers & Abilities Breath of All Things as Haki

Rmstorm · Dec 6, 2019

That was when he was developing Future Sight, the baby stages. The picturea got clearer and now he can actaully see the future.

He does not close his eyes like in the fight of Katakuri. He sees the Future properly with his eyes open.

Inspector_Mu · Dec 6, 2019

Now Zoro can see the future, if was advanced CoA only but now FS too
Next will be Zoro has awakened CoC and df powers

CbShadow · Dec 6, 2019

Rmstorm said:

No it doesn't because he didn't fully understand what he had. He didn't know of that time that power is haki. His sensei just told him there's a power that allows swordsman to cut what they wanted to cut but didn't get into detail or say anything about haki.

Zoro was just as strong as Luffy up until WCI where he gain FS through fighting and experience.

PS: When Zoro fought Enel he never tried to use BOAT on him.

Rmstorm · Dec 6, 2019

CbShadow said:

Databook has already confirmed Zoro being weaker than Luffy, so your headcanbon does not work. This is backed by Manga facts.

Wano, has also proven Zoro was a lot weaket than Luffy.

Almost dying to nerfed killer, getting injured by Hawkins.

He struggling with Supernova level opponents paints the picture clear.

Luffy was dealing with Yonko Commander opponents, Doflamingo, Cracker, Katakuri while Zoro needed help with Veterans like Pica.

He was never in Luffy's league, Gears 2/ 3 and G4 Snakeman, Boundman and Tankman made sure of that.

His trash endurance made sure of that.

trav · Dec 6, 2019

my take on it was that BOAT and cutting iron where 2 different things and the community ended up using the BOAT for both.
BOAT is like VOAT. Zoro could hear rocks breathing, lol.
thats not far from hearing what the poneglyphs would have to say, is it?

now the cutting iron part is clearly CoA. and according to the explanations of hyou and koshiro its CoA at a very high level or even the highest level.
Zoro is able to utilize this at will. it likely does not require the use of CoO to pull off cause I doubt that Zoro used CoO to swing at a tree with Enma.

what is more interesting to me is the other part.

BOAT activated as a result of Zoro being close to dying. its stated in the manga like this. the calmness that he felt let him tap into powerful CoO like sensing inanimate objects (the sword) or predicting where they would fall (rocks).
its important to note that its inanimate objects. cause this is what set VOAT appart. it could make the user hear/understand poneglyphs which are also inanimate. therefor I believe that BOAT = VOAT. the similarities in name are not conincidence.
this happened Zoro involuntarily. I doubt he can use it at will. same as Luffy can not use VOAT at will. at least for now.

CbShadow · Dec 6, 2019

Rmstorm said:

Yes, the current Luffy is stronger.

Luffy almost died against Hody, who Zoro one shot underneath the water.

Luffy allowed Caesar to toy with him.

At thus time we still haven't seen Zoro go all out. That's the difference. Luffy opportunity to show pretty much everything he could do and learn over-the-top skip. Zoro hasn't. the one time he was going to fight a command level fighter he was stopped by Admiral. Zoro wasn't allowed to even attempt to cut the birdcage.

Zoro never almost died against Killer. There is no information I killer was ever Nerf, that's headcanon. Zoro tanked Killer's attack. That's the reason he didn't fall and instead of one shot him. Zoro didn't need help to beat Pica. He needed a little assistance to catch up to him because Pica continue to run away. In battle, Zoro beat him every time.

Zoro was injured by Hawkins because he jumped in front of the nails to protect a child.

You quit your headcanon.

Rmstorm · Dec 6, 2019

trav said:

my take on it was that BOAT and cutting iron where 2 different things and the community ended up using the BOAT for both.
BOAT is like VOAT. Zoro could hear rocks breathing, lol.
thats not far from hearing what the poneglyphs would have to say, is it?

now the cutting iron part is clearly CoA. and according to the explanations of hyou and koshiro its CoA at a very high level or even the highest level.
Zoro is able to utilize this at will. it likely does not require the use of CoO to pull off cause I doubt that Zoro used CoO to swing at a tree with Enma.

what is more interesting to me is the other part.

BOAT activated as a result of Zoro being close to dying. its stated in the manga like this. the calmness that he felt let him tap into powerful CoO like sensing inanimate objects (the sword) or predicting where they would fall (rocks).
its important to note that its inanimate objects. cause this is what set VOAT appart. it could make the user hear/understand poneglyphs which are also inanimate. therefor I believe that BOAT = VOAT. the similarities in name are not conincidence.
this happened Zoro involuntarily. I doubt he can use it at will. same as Luffy can not use VOAT at will. at least for now.

Boat is not like Voat, Boat is taught by Samurai while Voat is always active.

Luffy's Voat is always active since he was a child. It will get stronger as the time goes on. This is how he understands animals, seakings, Zunisha etc.

Finalbeta · Dec 6, 2019

I doubt it's haki. Zoro should of learned Haki much earlier if that was true.

ImmaIvanoM · Dec 6, 2019

Rmstorm said:

So now you are the one claiming that there are things that don't exist in the manga that are true

I've just presented you with the IN CANON explanation of how Luffy is able to see the future and it's even consistent with how Enel was able to see the future but NO you of course claim there are other things that have just never been explained that must be true in order for you to be correct

See bow you are working on plain head canon and I'm not gonna indulge you friend

Present a panel where we see Luffy training for actually seeing the future and not just predicting intent or a panel of Luffy preditcting things that have no intent or a panel of Luffy seeing a vision of things that have no intent because I've shown you yhe opposite of all this. I've shown you exactly what Rayleigh was teaching Luffy regarding see if the future that it's about predicting intent, I've shown you a panel of what Luffy sees when he predicts the future and all the panels you present of Luffy seeing the future are him once again predicting just thehehe intent of attacks

Inspector_Mu · Dec 6, 2019

ImmaIvanoM said:

So now you are the one claiming that there are things that don't exist in the manga that are true

I've just presented you with the IN CANON explanation of how Luffy is able to see the future and it's even consistent with how Enel was able to see the future but NO you of course claim there are other things that have just never been explained that must be true in order for you to be correct

See bow you are working on plain head canon and I'm not gonna indulge you friend

Present a panel where we see Luffy training for actually seeing the future and not just predicting intent or a panel of Luffy preditcting things that have no intent or a panel of Luffy seeing a vision of things that have no intent because I've shown you yhe opposite of all this. I've shown you exactly what Rayleigh was teaching Luffy regarding see if the future that it's about predicting intent, I've shown you a panel of what Luffy sees when he predicts the future and all the panels you present of Luffy seeing the future are him once again predicting just thehehe intent of attacks

Luffy sees the future
And can sense intents

Next

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The irony coming from someone who believes Mihawk can do X when there is no panel

But he is asking for panels when it suits him

Absurd

ImmaIvanoM · Dec 6, 2019

Jo_Ndule said:

Where's the panel where he does both DISTINCTLY because as we can see, his training was about him sensing intent and when he starts dodging Katakuri, we see him predicting Katakuri's intent and that's it

Just show me one panel where either trains to actually see the future or is shown predicting the future and it has nothing to do with intent

Please, one panel

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Jo_Ndule said:

What have I claimed mihawk can do outside of panels?

Inspector_Mu · Dec 6, 2019

Absurd

"Where is the panel Luffy can see the future "

catded

KATAKURI " HE IS CATCHING UP
.....
HE IS SEEING THE SAME FUTURE AS ME"
Kata implying that luffy CoO is improving, that's before even he attained FS.

HYOU POINTS OUT LUFFY SEEING THE FUTURE

MANT HINTS AND IMPLICATIONS

JUST COZ HE HASNT MASTERED FS AS KATAKURI
IT DOESNT MEAN HE IS NOT SEEING THE FUTURE.

AND NOBODY POINTED OUT THAT ZORO CAN SEE THE FUTURE OR HAS ADVANCED HAKI.

SENSING INTENTS OR AURA IS WHAT MANY CAN DO
BY MASTERIMG HIS COO VERSION OF SENSING INTENTS AND AURA , LUFFY WENT TO ATTAIN FS

Stop trying to force your propaganda of making Zoro an advanced haki user since pre ts, even currently he has no advanced CoA or CoO

ImmaIvanoM · Dec 6, 2019

Jo_Ndule said:

Absurd

"Where is the panel Luffy can see the future "

catded

KATAKURI " HE IS CATCHING UP
.....
HE IS SEEING THE SAME FUTURE AS ME"
Kata implying that luffy CoO is improving, that's before even he attained FS.

HYOU POINTS OUT LUFFY SEEING THE FUTURE

MANT HINTS AND IMPLICATIONS

JUST COZ HE HASNT MASTERED FS AS KATAKURI
IT DOESNT MEAN HE IS NOT SEEING THE FUTURE.

AND NOBODY POINTED OUT THAT ZORO CAN SEE THE FUTURE OR HAS ADVANCED HAKI.

SENSING INTENTS OR AURA IS WHAT MANY CAN DO
BY MASTERIMG HIS COO VERSION OF SENSING INTENTS AND AURA , LUFFY WENT TO ATTAIN FS

Stop trying to force your propaganda of making Zoro an advanced haki user since pre ts, even currently he has no advanced CoA or CoO

No panels then?

Okay

Inspector_Mu · Dec 6, 2019

ImmaIvanoM said:

Go search your own panels

MR ZORO HAS HIGHEST COO COA SINCE PRE TS

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Luffy cant see the future
Zoro has same level CoO as luffy

ImmaIvanoM · Dec 6, 2019

Jo_Ndule said:

You didn't see the panels in the original post?

C'Mon don't tell me you stared commenting on this thread without even reading the original post

All the panels are right there

HAVE FUN

trav · Dec 6, 2019

Rmstorm said:

2/4 people that use VOAT are said samurai. come again?

its also not ALWAYS active for Luffy as he is unable to understand the poneglyphs.

Shura · Dec 6, 2019

CbShadow said:

Again with this shit....Luffy almost didn't die against Hody, he KOed him and went on destroying the boat and half "finished" the job before sea kings intervention.

CbShadow said:

Yeah and Yeti cool brothers sang a lullaby to Zoro....

CbShadow said:

And the shit say "Luffy almost died against Hody"....talk about hypocrisy.

CbShadow said:

Head canon as strong as "Zoro is as strong as Luffy"...lol....

CbShadow said:

Lol....it is like saying Oda didn't allow Sanji to defeat Doffy/or Oda didn't allow Luffy to finish Doffy before time limit etc.blah blah....all non-sense and again there is no "information" that Zoro can cut bird cage and so it is "head canon".

CbShadow said:

But he did took help...who knows "all out" Zoro could have reached Pica instantly and neg diffed him...or Ashura could have rendered Pica to a single cell....also can we say Luffy also didn't go all out against Doffy/Cracker because he didn't try to gain power up or he didn't try snakeman/tankman against Doffy not he did try snakeman/KKG against Cracker or even against Kaido it won't be counted as all out since he didn't use KKG as all out means using everything in your arsenal.

CbShadow said:

Zoro was not protecting child. Zoro said to Luffy "You take care of child while I will take care of Hawkins". Though it is okay that he protected both and maybe who knows his "all out" could have provided him ultimate defense which can be as strong as Kaido's dragon scales.

Jo_Ndule said:

Well...Zoro can stretch his body without gomu gomu no mi.... :finally:

CbShadow · Dec 6, 2019

Shura said:

More of your headcanon I see.

Hody was one shot by Zoro underneath the water.
Luffy was bitten by Hody and that bite almost killed him. That's why he needed an immediate blood transfusion. He was going to died without it. Zoro wasn't going to die. Just because a character receive medical treatment doesn't mean they will die without it.

Yes, the Yeti brother attacked Zoro from a distance with a gas attack and still failed to kill him. He destroyed those stalactite before it could kill him and his friends.

Sanji was allowed to fight Doffy and took a major L. Zoro was not allowed to fight him. He stopped by an Admiral, who he didn't take a L from. If Oda wanted to show Zoro could not beat Doffy, Oda could have easily showed them fight and have Zoro lose.

There is no info that Zoro could not cut the bird cage but it's very suspect he didn't try to cut and that's makes me believe he could. He was in a life and death situation but didn't try to cut it. Instead, he just pushed it, that makes no sense. He's a swordsman who cuts. He has a attack designed for cutting hard object but never tried it.

Yes, he had help to reach Pica faster not to defeat Pica. He used an old attack to beat him, not a new attack. His attack complete destroyed Pica with one hit. Luffy was giving his all against Doffy and had trouble. Luffy has showed much more of what he learned over the time skip than Zoro.

Zoro was protecting the child. He said he would handle the scarecrow so he made sure she wasn't hurt by stepping in front of the attack that was directed towards Luffy and Otama. Why would Zoro need to use more than he did when the attack he used worked. Zoro is the type of person to use his swords to block attacks, not his body.

Now, back to topic.

Zoro has had haki since pre time skip, he just didn't know.

Nvax · Dec 6, 2019

You have to be in denial to not accept this

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