One can't simply "accept" to talk with people who oppress others or those who enable them.
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TLDR
I tried to prevent the forum to become a beacon of toxicity that could transform our fanbase into a similar beast as Star Wars fan in order for One Piece fan not to be associated with reactionnaries and hatefull people.
I failed and I gave up the idea.
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Politics are a question of life and death situations, for me included.
Which means that labelling is not only an option, it's an ethical necessity to make sure no one is falling for all the missinformation and the confusionnism of the far right and the right in general as (spoilers) the left against the right is not a relativistic battle. It's a battle against people who want to to act in the world as it is, and those who idealize it.
When someone spreads missinformation that can be hurtfull, a polite debate about said missinformation with the person would mean acknowledging the legitimacy of the rethoric in the field of knowledge for everyone else. This is unacceptable.
Therefore, the best strategy to fight an oppressive discourse is to not debate with those who are spreading it. But to avoid the confrontation and prevent those who were not affected by it to fall into the well in other spaces. Hence why leftists usually refuse to debate with the far right.
But personnally, I was not convinced of that.
Coming from a confusionnistic and conspirationnist background, I considered that we should fight bad ideas head on, at least in the small spaces like this one. I believed that it was possible for people, like me to make people understand the world through reason.
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I come from the star wars fanbase. There, people started to be negative. This spreaded so much that it influenced people and eventually producers. The hate transformed into conservatism.
Today, you can't dissociate the Star Wars fanbase from its reactionnary side. For any content appearing, you will have thousands of thousands of reactionnary and hatefull one. Not based on legit reasons, but simple hate of the product and the ideas of Star Wars being progressive.
It's so hard that it influences how producers, writers and directors makes stories, rendering their work hard as F. even preventing them from taking risks. It's so hard that members of the staff are attacked and harrassed...
The reason why I was so adamant trying to fix things, is because I see the same pattern developping in parts of our fanbase. Here being one of the epicenters.
I was simply refusing for One Piece fans to be associated with people who hate and with reactionnaries.
----------
Sadly, when you do such a thing and you don't want to let oppressive rethoric pass without checks and when the space is full of conservative people, the confrontational method becomes the only way to talk and labels need to be thrown massively. I explained the importance of Labels HERE.
But at one point, I saw that none of this made things change, as my goal here was to sensibilize people here to oppressions. So I tried another METHOD.
Without success.. again.
To be honest, I was not pushed only by willingness to help oppressed people, but mainly by my curiosity. I wanted a challenge.
I'm now realizing that the negativity of this forum, just as much as the negativity of oppressive rethorics on the internet (that I've been fighting the same way for years and years) changed me into something quite toxic. Don't be confused, people here deserve their labels, but me.. I feel bitter and this can't go on.
I believed that challenging people even through confrontations could make them understand a few things.. just like it did for me.
I'm now understanding why it's not possible.
In a sense, what I'm talking about here has less to do with the forum and more with me and my political approach. It's a personnal reflexion more than anything. I'm basically changing something I've done for years, and my change here, on this silly forum, is just an example of that.
So.. since I do not have any more reasons to stay, especially when the negativity against One Piece is at its maximum here... The toxicity has transformed into pure hate and it's beyond the rationnal limits. I simply can't take the fact of seeing everyday so many people trashing without legitimate reasons a story I love so much. it's just heartbreaking.
I will tag out in the hope that this part of the fanbase starts to become more positive on its own.
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I'LL LINK ALL MY RELEVANT THREADS HERE:
To understand all the major aspects of basic leftism:
THE LEFTIST LIBRARY
For a better forum:
MODERATION : Why refusing to name, call or label troubles is problematic
A LAST STAND - A new system to promote positivity !
To keep discussions going:
RELIGIONS & SPIRITUALITIES : Conversations
SCIENCES: Studies, Theories, Fictions & Conversations (up this one please, it's important)
To keep hope against the rise of fascism:
Nemik's Manifesto - An Anti-fascist speech !
A new perspective on Powerscaling:
POWERSCALING - Dragon Ball x One Piece - Planet Buster Edition
This time when I tried to draw an SBS:
When the motivation kicks in..
A fun hypothesis I had about the end of One Piece:
NEVERLAND : The ancient Kingdom was full of KIDS !
A fun battle hypothesis
CARROT VS PEROSPERO ROUND 2
A theory about the place of Carrot in the story and her potential return (linked to the previous hypothesis):
WONDERLAND - Carrot's journey might be linked to the DAWN of the WORLD!!
Understanding storytelling : Understanding Plot Twists:
PLOT TWIST - Or why Zou's main plot twist is a class study in term of writing
Understanding storytelling : Understanding Development Inertia:
DEVELOPMENT INERTIA - Or why Oda MAY have made an error in Wano.
Understanding storytelling : A question about hidden stories:
HIDDEN CHARACTER ARCS STORIES: What do you think about them ?
A space of discussion about the political conflict of Elbaph:
"THE" Elbaph POLITICAL conflict
A big One Piece debunk:
ONE PIECE DEBUNK : "Luffy is the choosen one"
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I might keep my account here. I don't know. But I will try to get away from this space bit by bit until fading away to find something more positive elsewhere. I might keep replying to a few message here and there. But this is the end for me here
I hope you will all understand that you can't keep up the negativity here. One day, it will backfire or it will spread too far. Do not become like other fanbases. Do NOT let toxicity and negativity prevent you from reading and enjoying stories !
And most of all:
Please : manage your expectations !
Only what is prepared and setup in the story can become a legitimate expectation, NEVER what you want.
If you want some advice : Put on spotify or a One Piece OST during the chapters's reading, and don't let your wants override your needs. Let the story flow. You will see how much better it feels to be a One Piece fan !
-----------------
I have one last message for everyone I bantered with here, from One Piece enjoyers to Conservatists:
Please : Consider looking at those threads I linked above without biases.
I spent a decade unable to move from my chair. This means that what I couldn't do with my body, I compensated with my mind and knowledge on two major subjects:
Narration and politics.
I know I don't look like it because of my method and you may think that I do not understand storytelling because I was wrong on Carrot joining the crew, but this would be a major mistake. I really recommend you checking my interactions on this forum, look beyond my confrontational method and check all my arguments.
I spent years trying to understand One Piece, not just analyzing it like a majority of youtubers do, but understanding those on a fundamental level, to the most basic creative aspect and narrative methods.
I did the SAME with politics. Not on an historical level, but in the most basic principle, the values, what is needed to understand exactly what you need if you are willing to open your mind.
I know I might pass as arrogant, but for the most part, I'm not exagerating. I'm confident with that. So please, do not let conservatism or negativity change you. Listen to other leftist here.
Fight back !
-----------------
I've shared everything I could here !
It's not the best, but I did my best !
So I beg you, do not overlook my thoughts !
Read my threads, share my posts, confront them to your vision !
THIS KNOWLEDGE IS YOURS FOR THE TAKING !
--------------
TLDR
I tried to prevent the forum to become a beacon of toxicity that could transform our fanbase into a similar beast as Star Wars fan in order for One Piece fan not to be associated with reactionnaries and hatefull people.
I failed and I gave up the idea.
--------------
Politics are a question of life and death situations, for me included.
Which means that labelling is not only an option, it's an ethical necessity to make sure no one is falling for all the missinformation and the confusionnism of the far right and the right in general as (spoilers) the left against the right is not a relativistic battle. It's a battle against people who want to to act in the world as it is, and those who idealize it.
When someone spreads missinformation that can be hurtfull, a polite debate about said missinformation with the person would mean acknowledging the legitimacy of the rethoric in the field of knowledge for everyone else. This is unacceptable.
Therefore, the best strategy to fight an oppressive discourse is to not debate with those who are spreading it. But to avoid the confrontation and prevent those who were not affected by it to fall into the well in other spaces. Hence why leftists usually refuse to debate with the far right.
But personnally, I was not convinced of that.
Coming from a confusionnistic and conspirationnist background, I considered that we should fight bad ideas head on, at least in the small spaces like this one. I believed that it was possible for people, like me to make people understand the world through reason.
----------
I come from the star wars fanbase. There, people started to be negative. This spreaded so much that it influenced people and eventually producers. The hate transformed into conservatism.
Today, you can't dissociate the Star Wars fanbase from its reactionnary side. For any content appearing, you will have thousands of thousands of reactionnary and hatefull one. Not based on legit reasons, but simple hate of the product and the ideas of Star Wars being progressive.
It's so hard that it influences how producers, writers and directors makes stories, rendering their work hard as F. even preventing them from taking risks. It's so hard that members of the staff are attacked and harrassed...
The reason why I was so adamant trying to fix things, is because I see the same pattern developping in parts of our fanbase. Here being one of the epicenters.
I was simply refusing for One Piece fans to be associated with people who hate and with reactionnaries.
----------
Sadly, when you do such a thing and you don't want to let oppressive rethoric pass without checks and when the space is full of conservative people, the confrontational method becomes the only way to talk and labels need to be thrown massively. I explained the importance of Labels HERE.
But at one point, I saw that none of this made things change, as my goal here was to sensibilize people here to oppressions. So I tried another METHOD.
Without success.. again.
To be honest, I was not pushed only by willingness to help oppressed people, but mainly by my curiosity. I wanted a challenge.
I'm now realizing that the negativity of this forum, just as much as the negativity of oppressive rethorics on the internet (that I've been fighting the same way for years and years) changed me into something quite toxic. Don't be confused, people here deserve their labels, but me.. I feel bitter and this can't go on.
I believed that challenging people even through confrontations could make them understand a few things.. just like it did for me.
I'm now understanding why it's not possible.
In a sense, what I'm talking about here has less to do with the forum and more with me and my political approach. It's a personnal reflexion more than anything. I'm basically changing something I've done for years, and my change here, on this silly forum, is just an example of that.
So.. since I do not have any more reasons to stay, especially when the negativity against One Piece is at its maximum here... The toxicity has transformed into pure hate and it's beyond the rationnal limits. I simply can't take the fact of seeing everyday so many people trashing without legitimate reasons a story I love so much. it's just heartbreaking.
I will tag out in the hope that this part of the fanbase starts to become more positive on its own.
-----------------
I'LL LINK ALL MY RELEVANT THREADS HERE:
To understand all the major aspects of basic leftism:
THE LEFTIST LIBRARY
For a better forum:
MODERATION : Why refusing to name, call or label troubles is problematic
A LAST STAND - A new system to promote positivity !
To keep discussions going:
RELIGIONS & SPIRITUALITIES : Conversations
SCIENCES: Studies, Theories, Fictions & Conversations (up this one please, it's important)
To keep hope against the rise of fascism:
Nemik's Manifesto - An Anti-fascist speech !
A new perspective on Powerscaling:
POWERSCALING - Dragon Ball x One Piece - Planet Buster Edition
This time when I tried to draw an SBS:
When the motivation kicks in..
A fun hypothesis I had about the end of One Piece:
NEVERLAND : The ancient Kingdom was full of KIDS !
A fun battle hypothesis
CARROT VS PEROSPERO ROUND 2
A theory about the place of Carrot in the story and her potential return (linked to the previous hypothesis):
WONDERLAND - Carrot's journey might be linked to the DAWN of the WORLD!!
Understanding storytelling : Understanding Plot Twists:
PLOT TWIST - Or why Zou's main plot twist is a class study in term of writing
Understanding storytelling : Understanding Development Inertia:
DEVELOPMENT INERTIA - Or why Oda MAY have made an error in Wano.
Understanding storytelling : A question about hidden stories:
HIDDEN CHARACTER ARCS STORIES: What do you think about them ?
A space of discussion about the political conflict of Elbaph:
"THE" Elbaph POLITICAL conflict
A big One Piece debunk:
ONE PIECE DEBUNK : "Luffy is the choosen one"
-----------------
I might keep my account here. I don't know. But I will try to get away from this space bit by bit until fading away to find something more positive elsewhere. I might keep replying to a few message here and there. But this is the end for me here
I hope you will all understand that you can't keep up the negativity here. One day, it will backfire or it will spread too far. Do not become like other fanbases. Do NOT let toxicity and negativity prevent you from reading and enjoying stories !
And most of all:
Please : manage your expectations !
Only what is prepared and setup in the story can become a legitimate expectation, NEVER what you want.
If you want some advice : Put on spotify or a One Piece OST during the chapters's reading, and don't let your wants override your needs. Let the story flow. You will see how much better it feels to be a One Piece fan !
-----------------
I have one last message for everyone I bantered with here, from One Piece enjoyers to Conservatists:
Please : Consider looking at those threads I linked above without biases.
I spent a decade unable to move from my chair. This means that what I couldn't do with my body, I compensated with my mind and knowledge on two major subjects:
Narration and politics.
I know I don't look like it because of my method and you may think that I do not understand storytelling because I was wrong on Carrot joining the crew, but this would be a major mistake. I really recommend you checking my interactions on this forum, look beyond my confrontational method and check all my arguments.
I spent years trying to understand One Piece, not just analyzing it like a majority of youtubers do, but understanding those on a fundamental level, to the most basic creative aspect and narrative methods.
I did the SAME with politics. Not on an historical level, but in the most basic principle, the values, what is needed to understand exactly what you need if you are willing to open your mind.
I know I might pass as arrogant, but for the most part, I'm not exagerating. I'm confident with that. So please, do not let conservatism or negativity change you. Listen to other leftist here.
Fight back !
-----------------
I've shared everything I could here !
It's not the best, but I did my best !
So I beg you, do not overlook my thoughts !
Read my threads, share my posts, confront them to your vision !
THIS KNOWLEDGE IS YOURS FOR THE TAKING !
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