Versus Battle Can arceus survive two meteors when one nearly killed him:Arceus (Pokemon) vs Madara (Naruto)
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And this is the issue with versus battles everyone just follows some predetermined consensus instead of looking at the facts as fans of x series will always want their favorite characters to win regardless if it makes anysense like how does arceus counter limbo or chibaku tensei well who cares pokemon is my fav so it automatically solos regardless of any scan or proof provided like really what would be the point of debating with people such as you when it's all about your feelings or likeness for a certain thing rather then the facts that be
Does irony not dawn on you when making such comments, You have denied every single scan or piece of evidence given by me for no logical reason then what can be perceived as bias so when you make these comments it means nothing as you routinely portrayed that same behavior your accusing others of doing
I corrected you numerous times on pokemon not being the strongest so the only correction that you would accept here would be digimon being weaker saying as you refused to accept evidence on the pokemon front and who even debates digimon anyway?
the genki dama is strong against evil souls and hakai instantly obliterates any being regardless of any power difference as it's literally existence erasure but goku has no hax powers apparently anyhow thanks for proving that you know literally nothing about dragon ball
He destroyed three multiverse sized universes in a instant, That is a better feat then literally anything in pokemon but again as both me and gyro pointed out versus battles are more of a polority contest then anything objective
Well, that's still not enough to defeat a multiversal being.
Even Zeno is at absolute best low multiverse lv.
Doesn't matter; he is currently universe+ lv and that where he stays at the moment.
Do you even know the difference between a universe and a multiverse? Arceus literally operates on a higher dimensional plane, Goku can't match that.
I mean, congratulation; you proved me wrong about Madara being significantly hurt over a simple kunai in which he actually did not die.
Yet again, not the point I was actually making. But just in case you get what I meant, Naruto being stabbed by Sasuke's sword was another example.
It was simply an analogy to highlight the hypocrisy in Bob's argument. He lowballs Arceus' scaling and feats because of its anti feats. But if we take anti feats for value, Madara has kunai durability at best.
You can also compare anti feats from different verses as well - at the end, what matters are the feats which certain characters pulled off.
Hell no. Dies Irae, Umineko, TTGL and possibly other verses are way stronger than Pokemon.
Digimon is powerful but its strongest characters are at best comparable to TTGL. Umineko shits on both verses.
Saint Seiya god tiers are also quite powerful.
All verses which are above DB.
Even Zeno is at absolute best low multiverse lv.
Doesn't matter; he is currently universe+ lv and that where he stays at the moment.
Do you even know the difference between a universe and a multiverse? Arceus literally operates on a higher dimensional plane, Goku can't match that.
I mean, congratulation; you proved me wrong about Madara being significantly hurt over a simple kunai in which he actually did not die.
Yet again, not the point I was actually making. But just in case you get what I meant, Naruto being stabbed by Sasuke's sword was another example.
It was simply an analogy to highlight the hypocrisy in Bob's argument. He lowballs Arceus' scaling and feats because of its anti feats. But if we take anti feats for value, Madara has kunai durability at best.
You can also compare anti feats from different verses as well - at the end, what matters are the feats which certain characters pulled off.
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Hell no. Dies Irae, Umineko, TTGL and possibly other verses are way stronger than Pokemon.
Digimon is powerful but its strongest characters are at best comparable to TTGL. Umineko shits on both verses.
Saint Seiya god tiers are also quite powerful.
All verses which are above DB.
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Nothing could just mean there were no planets, It makes more sense too considering the wording which says said to be as if they are not sure of that statement and that's pretty much confirmed in the next line because it says it formed the universe, You understand that to form something there needs to be matter existing before that point?
I mean this is the same movie that had random pokemon neg arceus, I fail to see how it's a outlier of any kind
I mean this is the same movie that had random pokemon neg arceus, I fail to see how it's a outlier of any kind
You are indeed right that to shape something, there has to be something to be shapen.
And yes, there is nothing that specifically states that Archeus created the universe in the pokedex entries.
However, many of them eludes to it.
"It is described in mythology as the pokemon that shaped the universe with its 1000 arms"
This one does not imply he created it, but shaped all matter, which just in itself is quite a big feat nontheless, if nothing it's planetary level.
"It is said the pokemon was born before the universe even existed"
This one implies that Archeus came before everything, therefore all there is was made and shaped by Archeus.
Though NOT explicitly stating so.
"Said to have emerged from an egg in a place where there was nothing, then shaped the world"
This one also implies that when arceus came to, there was nothing. Not just no planets, no nothing.
But then what did Archeus came from? Who knows, what was before our universe? Was there anything before our universe? We simply do not know.
But also a statement to support the fact that Archeus did indeed create and shape everything.
HGSS/ X/ Omega Ruby's entries are the statements that supports your claim the most, that it only shaped all there is in the world.
However, nowhere is it stated how long he used to shape everything, nor how much he could shape at once.
Also Archeus with all their plates are said to be literally invincible, and the true extent of Archeus' power is not really truly known.
And yes, there is nothing that specifically states that Archeus created the universe in the pokedex entries.
However, many of them eludes to it.
"It is described in mythology as the pokemon that shaped the universe with its 1000 arms"
This one does not imply he created it, but shaped all matter, which just in itself is quite a big feat nontheless, if nothing it's planetary level.
"It is said the pokemon was born before the universe even existed"
This one implies that Archeus came before everything, therefore all there is was made and shaped by Archeus.
Though NOT explicitly stating so.
"Said to have emerged from an egg in a place where there was nothing, then shaped the world"
This one also implies that when arceus came to, there was nothing. Not just no planets, no nothing.
But then what did Archeus came from? Who knows, what was before our universe? Was there anything before our universe? We simply do not know.
But also a statement to support the fact that Archeus did indeed create and shape everything.
HGSS/ X/ Omega Ruby's entries are the statements that supports your claim the most, that it only shaped all there is in the world.
However, nowhere is it stated how long he used to shape everything, nor how much he could shape at once.
Also Archeus with all their plates are said to be literally invincible, and the true extent of Archeus' power is not really truly known.
Arceus does not have arms of any kind so that right here just proves that the mythology was wrong
Well that one right there is a self contradiction as if nothing existed then you could not shape anything from it as there would be nothing to shape it from.
Some form of matter needs to exist in order for things to be shaped like you cannot shape nothing afterall
I think it's trying to say that he shaped earth saying as it used the word world which often is used as another term for planet and because we know that places such as the ultra space were not created by arceus
Well that one right there is a self contradiction as if nothing existed then you could not shape anything from it as there would be nothing to shape it from.
Some form of matter needs to exist in order for things to be shaped like you cannot shape nothing afterall
I think it's trying to say that he shaped earth saying as it used the word world which often is used as another term for planet and because we know that places such as the ultra space were not created by arceus
Check out Arceus power
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ProfessorKukui4Life/2-A_Pokemon_Cosmology_Blog
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ProfessorKukui4Life/2-A_Pokemon_Cosmology_Blog
Arceus is crazily overpowered 
It was just lol consensus all the while ignoring every piece of evidence and logic given to them
It's going to be more, cope by arceus stans as they pretend that he didt get solo's by a meteor
They verbatim have said, I dont want to debate so why bump a thread where nobody wants to have a discourse
With people verbatim saying, The consenus is multiverse lv arceus so deal with it
This is pretty much, an admission that the fanbase cant actually prove how arceus is powerful as they can only hand wave when evidence from the series proper would be brought up
Imagine, Calling yourself a debater of any kind then saying yea no counterargument just please dont question my beliefs and ad poplum fallacies. Quite evident that none of these versus debaters are actual debaters
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People generally see arceus as universe lv
Then like juubi madara as like moon lv.
ofc both of these tierings are entirely with contradiction to the series proper but evidently they care more about the larger interpretation of the media rather then how it actually occurs so just fan fiction stuff really.
I mean why cant be arceus. Be a literal duck afterall if enough people see it so and it's how it would be seen for awhilie then wouldt be acceptable following the standards set out. ofc not as it's not about standards or consistency to them but rather just preaching your stupid fan fiction as if fact.
I mentioned calling momoshiki, some transgender female at some point too moreso just to show literally anything can be valid following the herd mentality but ofc irony does not dawn on those purposely ignorant
Could only find, The lesbian remark but whatever. it makes the same general point about how when you take the consensus = factually correct. it leads to absurdity in what's said
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Im right and you know it, that's why you reacted as angrily as you did. It hit too close to home didt it??
Also that's verbatim what you said, Arceus is currently seen as universe lv and that;s where he stays.
That's the ad poplum
The dont question me, Came from the dont bother with him line.
You guys are so ignorant, You can only believe what you do by ignoring people and just straight up referring to others as a shield. To defend your position as you have no actual counter argument but good job proving me right when that was said.
Except zeed never died to a meteor or random digimon as arceus did.
I dont see arceus in the the same way as people generally do nor do see madara in the same light. I think scaling madara to toneri's moon cut is stupid as the feat was never moon level to begin with as the thing was hollow something that consensus worshippers such as yourself ignore
There's literally no contradiction in my position as im not stupid enough to think a being who got ko'd by a meteor would actually be what 90 trillion times stronger then that.
Also that's verbatim what you said, Arceus is currently seen as universe lv and that;s where he stays.
That's the ad poplum
The dont question me, Came from the dont bother with him line.
You guys are so ignorant, You can only believe what you do by ignoring people and just straight up referring to others as a shield. To defend your position as you have no actual counter argument but good job proving me right when that was said.
Except zeed never died to a meteor or random digimon as arceus did.
I dont see arceus in the the same way as people generally do nor do see madara in the same light. I think scaling madara to toneri's moon cut is stupid as the feat was never moon level to begin with as the thing was hollow something that consensus worshippers such as yourself ignore
There's literally no contradiction in my position as im not stupid enough to think a being who got ko'd by a meteor would actually be what 90 trillion times stronger then that.
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Tl;dr version: "I talk too much shit".
What's your counterargument of Madara fighting and damaging a multiversal character? Muh meteor lol.
Coming up with anti feats already proves how much of a garbage debater you are. Are Goku and Co not universe level because bullets damaged them? Keep the same energy to them you loser.
What's your counterargument of Madara fighting and damaging a multiversal character? Muh meteor lol.
Coming up with anti feats already proves how much of a garbage debater you are. Are Goku and Co not universe level because bullets damaged them? Keep the same energy to them you loser.