Break Week Can we agree that the Nika DF retcon means that Ace died for nothing?

What did Ace die for?


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#1
#4
Ace's death was paramount to Luffy taking a timeskip to grow stronger. Without that time training and the fights he's been having since, he stands no chance against Akainu, not to mention his fruit hadn't awakened for centuries, not sure why it would for a pre-timskip Luffy who didn't even have anywhere near the mastery he had after 2 years.

If we bring fate into it, then it also doesn't work since the route things would go involved Ace dying for Luffy to realize he needs to grow stronger for his loved ones and to attain his dreams, thereby inspiring him to take the timeskip for training (and better usage of his fruit and complementing it with haki), going through everything he did up until Kaido stopped his heart and him finally awakening. To sum up, even with destiny brought into the mix, his destiny involved Ace as he wasn't meant to save him but he still had a purpose to fulfill that was heightened by Ace's death. Whether you think Luffy had control of his future, his experiences were important to getting where he is now, destiny just means those things were always gonna happen which doesn't diminish sacrifices since those were an integral part of Luffy's destiny.

Inherited will's another huge thing in the series so of course Ace dying and Luffy inheriting his will, dedicating moves to him, fulfilling his promises is also important. Overall, no Ace didn't die for nothing. The manga made pretty apparent the significance of his death in pushing Luffy to grow stronger.
 

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#6
I don't know.

Maybe the DF would have behaved differently in that case, but there's no way to prove that.

I think it depends a lot on how much the DF will would have changed.
 
#11
There are two dangerous elements for the WG the OP and Nika

They thought Nika would never awaken and finding the OP would the threat they must hinder


I think Nika is greater than the OP btw if OP isn't a weapon or something like that
 
#12
Like the title says.

Do you think Ace died for nothing since if Akainu had killed Luffy, Nika would have awakened anyway, which means Lolda is factually a fraud? :milaugh:

Or do you think Ace still died for something because even Nika would have been killed by Papazuki? :suresure:

Which is it?

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Back then Luffy's body and mind weren't trained enough to access Nika yet. An lazy way out that Oda provided in 1043-1044. If Luffy awakened Nika / G5 back then, powerscaling-wise yea he will defeat Akainu and his magma since he will fight however he likes, making ow ow sounds and being hurt whenever magma fist makes holes in his body but with no real damage, drinking magma as if eating a real hot jelly cake etc, basically anything he imagines turns real and the limit is plot but the fight quality will be determined by storytelling and how much of a gag partner to Luffy Oda wanna make Akainu into. Sorry can't find ideas for a trolling response yet so this is the best i can do:lusalty:
 
#13
Ace stopped growing when he abandoned his dreams to become pirate king.haki=will/ambition.You need to have crazy dreams to become Joyboy,it was all about Luffy all along.i think the nika fruit chose Luffy,since zoans have a will of their own.
 
#15
I think the point behind Kaido's explanation was that Luffy's physical and mental prowess needs to be on the same level for him to awaken.

During MF his body was very weak while his willpower is incredibly strong. Wouldn't have worked out logically speaking.
 
#17
1. We don't know that dying there would have awakened his fruit

2. Hakiless pre timeskip Luffy would get clapped by Akainu even with the Nika fruit. Can't even touch him without basic haki, and he needed advanced CoC in combination with it to take down Kaido, so he will absolutely need it for Akainu too. Akainu is definitely >>>> pre timeskip Luffy with Nika, but that doesn't mean he's stronger than current Luffy.
 
#20
The phycological damage done to luffy by akainu will give him an advantage in their inevitable fight. Not necessarily his devil fruit, but that will definitely play a factor too. Imo that fight will probably be luffy’s toughest fight even compared to kaido becuase of this. I mean Akainu actually broke luffy’s will, something that nobodies done, not even kaido. Can’t underestimate Magma boy.
 
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