Break Week Can we agree that the Nika DF retcon means that Ace died for nothing?
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Back then Luffy's body and mind weren't trained enough to access Nika yet. An lazy way out that Oda provided in 1043-1044. If Luffy awakened Nika / G5 back then, powerscaling-wise yea he will defeat Akainu and his magma since he will fight however he likes, making ow ow sounds and being hurt whenever magma fist makes holes in his body but with no real damage, drinking magma as if eating a real hot jelly cake etc, basically anything he imagines turns real and the limit is plot but the fight quality will be determined by storytelling and how much of a gag partner to Luffy Oda wanna make Akainu into. Sorry can't find ideas for a trolling response yet so this is the best i can do
Considering Luffy fought awakening users as far back as Alabasta, where he surpassed Crocodile, then shouldn't he have awakened his DF there?
Heck, I doubt the Impel Down Jailer Beasts had better DF control than pre-Marineford Luffy and all five of them were awakened Zoan users (more so than the Beast Pirates), so, going by your answer, why didn't Luffy awaken back then?
Now, don't kid a kidder.
given the amount of PIS and durability some are enrolled with all of a sudden, see Luffy or Kinemon, Law, etc
Kaidou stated that awakening happens when your mind and body catch up to your powers. We don't even know for a fact if Crocodile is awakened and the jailers are mindless beasts so it's up to debate whether their awakening was naturally achieved or not.
The factual information here is that both your body and mind need to catch up to your ability. Since the whole point of Sabaody-Impel Down-Marineford was for Luffy to realize he wasn't ready for the New World and was still too weak and naive, then there's no reason for us to expect that Luffy to catch up to his fruit.
The factual information here is that both your body and mind need to catch up to your ability. Since the whole point of Sabaody-Impel Down-Marineford was for Luffy to realize he wasn't ready for the New World and was still too weak and naive, then there's no reason for us to expect that Luffy to catch up to his fruit.
Whoa, Crocodile being awakened was not debatable, though. And what does that even mean that the Jailers did not naturally achieve their awakening? It's a stretch (pun intended) to say thay Luffy's mind and body did not catch up to his powers considering he was using the Nika DF with much better mastery than the Jailer Beasts using their DF (which instead made them mindless).
Your replies are similar in essence, so I just have to ask this: when was it stated that you need to reach a certain level to access awakening?
Considering Luffy fought awakening users as far back as Alabasta, where he surpassed Crocodile, then shouldn't he have awakened his DF there?
Heck, I doubt the Impel Down Jailer Beasts had better DF control than pre-Marineford Luffy and all five of them were awakened Zoan users (more so than the Beast Pirates), so, going by your answer, why didn't Luffy awaken back then?
Now, don't kid a kidder.
Considering Luffy fought awakening users as far back as Alabasta, where he surpassed Crocodile, then shouldn't he have awakened his DF there?
Heck, I doubt the Impel Down Jailer Beasts had better DF control than pre-Marineford Luffy and all five of them were awakened Zoan users (more so than the Beast Pirates), so, going by your answer, why didn't Luffy awaken back then?
Now, don't kid a kidder.
To beat both while not capable of using Awakening himself, showed that Luffy excelled in other stats compared to both, but still he wasnt enough to Awaken that fruit. Fot a fruit, only capable of being Awakened one more time after 800 years, only by a person whose overall powerlevel is strong enough to be represented by Skysplitter CoC, already means that the threshold of this fruit is higher.
Crocodile being awakened of course is debatable.
And the jailers not naturally achieving their awakening means exactly what you read. They are mentally retarded and don't even seem capable of leaving their transformation; they are actually what I'd think of a user whose body and mind weren't ready for awakening, something I can totally see Vegapunk forcing them to. Not to mention the possibility that a mythical zoan's awakening may be harder to handle than an average cow; let alone this fruit which wasn't awakened in centuries.
Anyways, the point stands: the whole point of the last pretimeskip arcs were to show that Luffy wasn't ready. And if he wasn't ready, then why should we expect him to awaken back then? Plus that I highly doubt Luffy can revive from Sakazuki melting his body.
And the jailers not naturally achieving their awakening means exactly what you read. They are mentally retarded and don't even seem capable of leaving their transformation; they are actually what I'd think of a user whose body and mind weren't ready for awakening, something I can totally see Vegapunk forcing them to. Not to mention the possibility that a mythical zoan's awakening may be harder to handle than an average cow; let alone this fruit which wasn't awakened in centuries.
Anyways, the point stands: the whole point of the last pretimeskip arcs were to show that Luffy wasn't ready. And if he wasn't ready, then why should we expect him to awaken back then? Plus that I highly doubt Luffy can revive from Sakazuki melting his body.
Because, gomu or nika df is hard to awaken. Remeber how it took certain time for Luffy to even throw a normal punch after he ate the rubber fruit. Luffy also need to expend extra energy to throw a punch than it required for a normal punch. Jailers fruit maybe easy to awaken. How can we even compare the fruit something gorosei was afraid of and none awakened for centuries with something that jailers had.
The marines were only afraid Luffy would awaken the fruit because he was already top tier fighting Kaidou 1vs1, go back and read the chapter for context, the fruit has not been awakened for 800 years and is the hardest fruit to awaken in the verse.
Luffy did not awaken despite needing extensive surgery from Law and being on the verge of death more times than any other character.
Luffy did not awaken despite needing extensive surgery from Law and being on the verge of death more times than any other character.
Unless there is a direct statement from the story that there is a different level of difficulty to awaken each fruit, your opinions are speculative. Not bad, but not necessarily something I can agree with at the moment. Thanks for your 2 cents, though.
For @Charlotte Horchata's last point:
If Nika can shape his body however he wants, why wouldn't it revive Luffy after being melted by Akainu?
For @Charlotte Horchata's last point:
If Nika can shape his body however he wants, why wouldn't it revive Luffy after being melted by Akainu?
ยซ To awaken your mind and your body, they have to be on par with your abilities ยป
Ok great but I have a few questions:
-How does one know that he reached that level?
-How can one reach that level? Is there a manual somewhere?
-Do toi need a certain level of Haki or physical strength? How does it works exactly ?
-Kaido, Big Mom, Kingโฆcould never have their bodies and their minds on the same level of their abilities but Katakuri and Dofla could?
It is the same bullshit than the ยซ Your haki bloom in fight ยป and the very next arc we have Luffy training to make his haki bloom and we saw Kaido learned FS on the fly.
In a nutshell, yeah Ace died for nothing because Oda could have said that the Impel Down ordeal was enough to awakened.
You guys are just trying to excuse something that have no excuse except of plot.
Ok great but I have a few questions:
-How does one know that he reached that level?
-How can one reach that level? Is there a manual somewhere?
-Do toi need a certain level of Haki or physical strength? How does it works exactly ?
-Kaido, Big Mom, Kingโฆcould never have their bodies and their minds on the same level of their abilities but Katakuri and Dofla could?
It is the same bullshit than the ยซ Your haki bloom in fight ยป and the very next arc we have Luffy training to make his haki bloom and we saw Kaido learned FS on the fly.
In a nutshell, yeah Ace died for nothing because Oda could have said that the Impel Down ordeal was enough to awakened.
You guys are just trying to excuse something that have no excuse except of plot.
