Current Events Clarification of Mihawk's title

ShishioIsBack

ShishioIsBack

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🧠 2. False Equivalence: “Strongest” vs. “Greatest”

  • "Sekai Saikyō no Kenshi" (世界最強の剣士) literally means “World’s Strongest Swordsman.”
  • “Strongest” here doesn’t just mean raw strength — it's metaphorical, implying supreme in skill, battle ability, and presence.
  • "Greatest" is an interpretive localization used because English speakers often say "Greatest swordsman" rather than “Strongest” for finesse-based professions.

So translators use “WGS” not because “greatest” is more accurate, but because it flows better in English — it’s stylistic, not about “winning” a debate.

📉 3. Cherry-Picking Examples

  • Listing “Dai Kengō,” “Sekai Ichi no Kengō,” etc., without understanding nuance or contextual usage is just showing off terms you don’t fully grasp.
  • Also, anime and manga translators often use different phrasing for variety or audience readability, not because one is objectively “correct.”

💀 4. Tacking on Headcanon BS at the End

  • Akainu retreating?
  • "6 reasons why Shanks > Mihawk"?
  • "Teach is Admiral level"?

None of this has anything to do with Mihawk’s title debate — it’s just fanboy bait. You’re throwing spaghetti at the wall hoping people think you’re insightful. You’re not.
 
Cruxroux

Cruxroux

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ShishioIsBack said:
🧠 2. False Equivalence: “Strongest” vs. “Greatest”

  • "Sekai Saikyō no Kenshi" (世界最強の剣士) literally means “World’s Strongest Swordsman.”
  • “Strongest” here doesn’t just mean raw strength — it's metaphorical, implying supreme in skill, battle ability, and presence.
  • "Greatest" is an interpretive localization used because English speakers often say "Greatest swordsman" rather than “Strongest” for finesse-based professions.

So translators use “WGS” not because “greatest” is more accurate, but because it flows better in English — it’s stylistic, not about “winning” a debate.

📉 3. Cherry-Picking Examples

  • Listing “Dai Kengō,” “Sekai Ichi no Kengō,” etc., without understanding nuance or contextual usage is just showing off terms you don’t fully grasp.
  • Also, anime and manga translators often use different phrasing for variety or audience readability, not because one is objectively “correct.”

💀 4. Tacking on Headcanon BS at the End

  • Akainu retreating?
  • "6 reasons why Shanks > Mihawk"?
  • "Teach is Admiral level"?

None of this has anything to do with Mihawk’s title debate — it’s just fanboy bait. You’re throwing spaghetti at the wall hoping people think you’re insightful. You’re not.
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Where's the first point?
 
Kiri

Kiri

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Yeah he has no equal in swordsmanship, it's pretty clear

He undoubtedly is the best and has more skill and ability than shamrock/nusjuro and garling for example

Yet for example shamrock could still beat him if he has HK regen + base admiral level strength (maybe more) + coc + cerberus mythical sword + a mythical zoan df with hax abilities on top of all that, and still being a pretty talented swordsman that is not as great as mihawk

I mean could you imagine having to clash against someone in swordsmanship, you're better than them, but you also have to worry about 3 gigantic dog heads trying to spear you at the same time, all whilst having to worry about the shenanigans of a potential mythical df.

Same way WB being the strongest man could still lose to another man if he got out-skilled in combat, so Mihawk could definitely beat WB, even if his max output is less than WB's max output.

What I just hope for is that the pinnacle of mastery in this era at least that Mihawk has achieved (zoro will presumably create a new pinnacle), the attributes required in order to forge a black blade, have tangible results in battle/combat ability, it would disappointing to dedicate your entire life to something and become the best at it, and have a higher stat in that attribute than every non-blackbladesmen, and not have it be a significant stat to make a difference.

Which is why I don't like the idea of Roger > Mihawk, I'm alright with Roger beating Mihawk due to the fate he possesses (We know roger was destined in the sense that he charged at the front lines and risked his life, he annihilated armies, he took risks, and fate favoured him pretty much, lightning struck just like with luffy to get him out of situations.) , but I want it to be known that Mihawk possesses greater attributes when it comes to the martial arts they use. Skill and finesse yes but probably also mastery of ryuou and whatever else.

Even oden self proclaimed his swordsmanship as the strongest, despite knowing roger, yet even if his swordsmanship was stronger he could still be weaker than roger due to the factors roger possesses and haki for example. You could argue oden could win exchanges vs roger etc, but I'd like to think that when someone forges the most elite of elite blades, it puts them in another league entirely.

Just like black blades are on another league entirely, the most elite. Mihawk therefore should be the most elite combatants all hax aside, and that should mean something. We've seen other series in fiction where the best swordsman of the era can still lose to some bullshit, but at least they make an impact on just how scary good they are to where you have to respect them even if they lost.

Like Sir Arthur Dayne from ASOIAF or something.

But anyway won't be surprised if Oda goes the route of :

"okay zoro you beat and have become the most elite combatant with a blade, now with this newfound strength battle a bunch of bullshit hax powers that will create gimmick fights for you to overcome and struggle through, and potentially develop your own bullshit hax's"

It's not unreasonable that zoro will have to have a fight after becoming the WSS, but I'm unsure what to think given oda's apparent statements of the series ending with the One Piece.
 
Polishit

Polishit

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nik87 said:
Mihawk's title is a test for the readers whether they understand what characters like Zoro and Mihawk want or not.
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Even if mihawk is the "world strongest swordsman", he's not "the strongest swordsman ever / all time" because his title literally didn't say that (according to your logic)

so midcawk fans leeching over past it / dead characters is as re*arded as they come, ye dumbass
 
nik87

nik87

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Polishit said:
Even if mihawk is the "world strongest swordsman", he's not "the strongest swordsman ever / all time" because his title literally didn't say that (according to your logic)

so midcawk fans leeching over past it / dead characters is as re*arded as they come, ye dumbass
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Forget swordsmen, Mihawk is the strongest ever among all characters.
 
moreha9685

moreha9685

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Mihawk is the world's strongest man who uses a sword to fight. Nobody else using a blade as their fighting style can defeat him. You may hax your way to a stalemate with a DF, but in a 1v1 against Mihawk, you'll never win.

WB was the world's strongest man based on his raw strength/physical stats alone. Nobody else could surpass him in physical endurance. He also used a DF--one of the strongest paramecia per that matter--but what WB excelled in was his natty stats. Give him any other DF on top of those stats, and he'd still be the WSM.

Kaido was the world's strongest man whose combat style revolved around his DF. Nobody else using a DF could defeat him, until Luffy managed to awaken a stronger DF than his own--both of which, coincidentally, being zoan DFs that amplify physical stats, on top of added elemental/reality-breaking shenanigans.
 
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