Powers & Abilities Clearing a Misconception

[Blazing Lion]

my question is.. is there any bad/weak CoC in the story so far?

honestly speaking.. based on how they knocking down people, the quality of most COC is seems the same, except for very few individuals (PK levels)

PK level of COC (shanks roger WB garp rocks harald),
rocks & harald because they KOed people in 5km radius during clash..
garp & roger because their combined COC beats rocks, WB because he clashed equally with roger & rocks
shanks because oda said his haki is more powerful than luffy (would knocked down all 100k fishmen), and it somehow cancel aramaki's transformation with his wifi COC
and then joyboy's COC.. (strongest so far, because cancelling gorosei abyss summoning & even vice admirals are knocked down.)

cmiiw, but what everyone called "Advanced COC" is actually about how they control their COC right?

Yes we use ACoC/AdCoC for using CoC Coating like CoA Coating.

There is no bad CoC but there is definitely weak and strong CoC. Refer to Rays explanation of CoC not being directly trainable for increasing its strength but by the user becoming stronger overall.

In terms of feats it does seem that there are levels to ACoC in terms of strength. You can see the difference in Kaido and Yamatos strength and hence we cant put Kaido and Yamato CoC to be equal.

Similarly Prime Gaban and 25 yo Shanks didnt show CoC strong enough like GV Roger and Garp did.

Then there are instances where characters have shown solo sky split levels of CoC like JB and arguably DR Rocks (still not sure of it due to paneling).

So you can say that there are at least three distinguished levels
JB, DR Rocks
Roger, Shanks, Kaido, WB etc.
Yamato, Gaban, 25 yo Shanks
I was going to make a thread about this anyway.

 

[LolonoisZolo]

my question is.. is there any bad/weak CoC in the story so far?

honestly speaking.. based on how they knocking down people, the quality of most COC is seems the same, except for very few individuals (PK levels)

PK level of COC (shanks roger WB garp rocks harald),
rocks & harald because they KOed people in 5km radius during clash..
garp & roger because their combined COC beats rocks, WB because he clashed equally with roger & rocks
shanks because oda said his haki is more powerful than luffy (would knocked down all 100k fishmen), and it somehow cancel aramaki's transformation with his wifi COC
and then joyboy's COC.. (strongest so far, because cancelling gorosei abyss summoning & even vice admirals are knocked down.)

cmiiw, but what everyone called "Advanced COC" is actually about how they control their COC right?

Yes we use ACoC/AdCoC for using CoC Coating like CoA Coating.

There is no bad CoC but there is definitely weak and strong CoC. Refer to Rays explanation of CoC not being directly trainable for increasing its strength but by the user becoming stronger overall.

In terms of feats it does seem that there are levels to ACoC in terms of strength. You can see the difference in Kaido and Yamatos strength and hence we cant put Kaido and Yamato CoC to be equal.

Similarly Prime Gaban and 25 yo Shanks didnt show CoC strong enough like GV Roger and Garp did.

Then there are instances where characters have shown solo sky split levels of CoC like JB and arguably DR Rocks (still not sure of it due to paneling).

So you can say that there are at least three distinguished levels
JB, DR Rocks
Roger, Shanks, Kaido, WB etc.
Yamato, Gaban, 25 yo Shanks
I was going to make a thread about this anyway.

It is not about ''quality'' but it is about ''control''. Guys like Joyboy, Roger, Shanks, Gaban can decide how much ''COC'' they release, who to target with it and the distance they can reach. It has nothing to do with the strength of it.
Look at it this way : A ball of condensed sand hits harder than the same sand but scattered.

 

[SaitamaSanji]

It's flowing out, therefore Zoro's CoC is great.. Yeah no..

Based on haki leaking out logic of retarded zoro fans, luffy's CoC strength and depth is millions times ahead as luffy knocked out fodders even being unconscious himself

Spoiler

zoro needed to go KOH mode with the help of Enma to replicate what luffy did unconsciously

zoro is a confirmed fodder compared to luffy based on that logic alone

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Based on haki leaking out logic of retarded zoro fans, luffy's CoC strength and depth is millions times ahead as luffy knocked out fodders even being unconscious himself

Spoiler

zoro needed to go KOH mode with the help of Enma to replicate what luffy did unconsciously

zoro is a confirmed fodder compared to luffy based on that logic alone

sanji doesn't even have conq haki

 

[Bil02]

Gaban basically said Zoro doesn't have control of his Coc and that the true power of haki (all colors) comes out when you are aware of it and can consciously control/use it.
So Gaban's words amount to saying Zoro's true current strength will only show itself when he can control his CoC.

 

[Levi]

Egghead was a retreat arc like wci,mf and enies lobby. Elbaf is a wano/dressrosa type arc imunko is either defeated and connection severed or is sent retreating.

And it’s gonna take all the coqs users to do so this should be the arc we see luffy and zoro coqs haki on full display and where they currently rank.

 

[ヴィハーン]

When someone taps into Advanced ability unconsciously 5 seconds after unlocking conqueror. I don't think in anyway it can be called " Weak/bad ".

When we have users with conqueror for 30+ years with basic Conqueror and still figure it out.

 

[Wizak08]

isn't zoro fans the ones saying that?

To wank zoro by saying that he will get even stronger when he becomes actually proficient with acoc?

It's moreso how much he was coating with his attacks, Wano Zoro using half of his ACoC and now that he's aware of it and doesn't have to hold back (stamina, damage) will mean he would've gotten stronger.

 

[SaitamaSanji]

sanji doesn't even have conq haki

So far he doesn't and doesn't even use his hands in combat but still equals to Zoro who needs magic swords to keep up

yet u cannot ignore the fact that unconscious Luffy having better feats when it comes to CoC compared to KOH Zoro lmao

 

[Jija]

Gabban scolded only zoro not luffy despite him not knowing that with coc you can defeat holy knights.

 

[Blazing Lion]

Gabban scolded only zoro not luffy despite him not knowing that with coc you can defeat holy knights.

Gaban scolded Zoro after learning that Zoro was not aware that he had CoC and was using it

 

[Robin swan]

Completely agree gaban wasn't saying zoro coc is weak or that he doesn't have adcoc or anything dumb like this that ppl tried to knock zoro for since that chapter. All gaban was saying was that zoro should know what abilities he has as the rhm of the pk(yonko) and that the fullest potential of haki comes out when you understand it. It's gaban being upset about Zoro's ignorance of coc not anything more or less. It was also foreshadowing a new coc ability at least loki zoro and luffy will get when they fight the hk's. Likely haki mass Roger and garp used to beat rocks. Zoro has easily used adcoc since he unlocked it and can turn it on and off at will. He just has 0 knowledge on his basic coc abilities since he didn't even know he had coc to try to use any of them. Meaning he has basically 0 coc mastery over base coc abilities. Him being comfortable constantly leaking coc haki will probably fast track him mastering basic coc abilities.

 

[Blazing Lion]

Completely agree gaban wasn't saying zoro coc is weak or that he doesn't have adcoc or anything dumb like this that ppl tried to know zoro for since that chapter. All gaban was saying was that zoro should know what abilities he has as the rhm of the pk and that the fullest potential of haki comes out when you understand it. It's gaban being upset about Zoro's ignorance of coc not anything more or less. It was also foreshadowing a new coc ability at least loki zoro and luffy will get when they fight the he's. Likely haki mass Roger and garp used to beat rocks. Zoro has easily used adcoc since he unlocked it and can turn it on and off at will. He just has 0 knowledge on his basic coc abilities since he didn't even know he had coc to try to use any of them.

Yes
To Zoro it is just about using more power to cut through the opponent and the power source is physical and haki strength to Zoro, even at this age Zoros mentality of cutting everything (like his answer to his master) is shown in his serious fights as well as general behaviour of cutting obstacles out of his way if he cant find a path.

I dont remember Zoro showing the finesse part, the gentle blade style much (@Salah WG ), its mostly been the straight power style for Zoro.

 

[Salah WG]

Yes
To Zoro it is just about using more power to cut through the opponent and the power source is physical and haki strength to Zoro, even at this age Zoros mentality of cutting everything (like his answer to his master) is shown in his serious fights as well as general behaviour of cutting obstacles out of his way if he cant find a path.

I dont remember Zoro showing the finesse part, the gentle blade style much (@Salah WG ), its mostly been the straight power style for Zoro.

Zoro's Gear 2/3 are Gentle/Strong Blade,
He Unlocked them both in Arabasta before Luffy because Mr. 1 was his Lucci Fight,

Gentle Blade is Art of Fast Swings that exceed what's expected of a Sword/Blade,
Strong Blade is Art of Heavy/Big Swings that exceed what's expected of a Sword/Blade,

Spoiler: Examples

We've seen it countless times,
If you see an Attack with Unrealistic Speed then Gentle Blade was applied,
Such as Sword Draw in Shishi Sonson and Rashomon,
Also bent Swords in Enigma Yonezu Oni Giri,
Blue Flames triggered by Hiryu Kaen Swing,
Bird Dance catching Top Speed King,
Crossing of Six Paths making each Sword cut Twice,
... etc

If you see an Attack that cuts greater than Sword's Occupied Space then Strong Blade was applied,
Such as Pound Ho or Daishinkan,
Also Zoro cutting Jack Tree or anytime He cut something bigger than himself,
... etc

Techniques themselves do not belong in Strong or Gentle Blade Categories,
As seen with Brook who said He is more of Gentle User while Ryuma is Strong User despite despite using same Techniques,

Cuz it's similar to how we don't say Pistol or Bazooka are Gear 2 or 3 Techniques, it's up to Fighter to choose which augment to apply on their Attack, so Zoro can apply Gentle or Strong Style to every and any of his Techniques,

So far, I've seen Zoro use them both around the same Rate, it's just people don't care about understanding Swordsmanship in detail and think that every Buff must appear on Zoro's Body like a Transformation, hence why many thought that Luffy after showing Gear2/3 is way beyond Zoro, not realizing that Zoro had same Buffs almost 200 Chapters Earlier,