Questions & Mysteries CoC specialists vs. CoC users

[Albino 👑]

Pretty much same opinion tbh
Roger Rayleigh and Gaban have conquerors but Roger the one who specializes in it

It should be pretty obvious at this point that Roger and his wings each specialize in each different type of haki

Rayleigh specializing in armament is capable of internal destruction and Gaban specializing in observation is capable of future soghg

Roger specializes in conquerors but at this point that doesn’t matter too much if there’s nothing unique he can do with it. He like Shanks and Luffy more likely than not also has both forms of advanced armament and observation but eh. It’s cool but still leaves him specializing conquerors feeling irrelevant tbh

After saying all that we might have already seen an ability that only someone who specializes in conquerors is capable of doing

That being whatever the hell Roger and Shanks are doing when using divine departure

It doesn’t look to complicated to do but it surprisingly is. If it was just due to their armament mastery alone than there’s no reason a master in the field like Rayleigh wouldn’t be able to mimic it but we know he can’t. So whatever the hell they’re doing with their haki might be Luffy’s next goal too

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

Oda probably said that on whim. All 3 are going to be specialists in it. Their greatness would be far beyond anything Doffy can hope to achieve, if that's what CoC Haki specialist is in your eyes. This alone fails your thread.​

 

[Albino 👑]

Oda probably said that on whim. All 3 are going to be specialists in it. Their greatness would be far beyond anything Doffy can hope to achieve, if that's what CoC Haki specialist is in your eyes. This alone fails your thread.​

Same way both armament and observation haki despite being extremely common both have a raid application most aren’t capable of it’d likely the same with conquerors. I don’t mean just infusion seemingly everyone with conquerors is capable of

Imo it probably ties to divine departure an ability Rayleigh and Gaban aren’t capable of despite having conquerors

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

Same way both armament and observation haki despite being extremely common both have a raid application most aren’t capable of it’d likely the same with conquerors. I don’t mean just infusion seemingly everyone with conquerors is capable of

Imo it probably ties to divine departure an ability Rayleigh and Gaban aren’t capable of despite having conquerors

Just a while back, Shanks CoC haki was hyped being equally good as Rayleigh, being capable of ko-ing all Fishman.

I say don't look too much into these question answers. Rayleigh is different than Roger, why'd he try to copy his attacks? Do Zoro n Sanji do that?
Shanks was a kid, him copying make sense. Buggy couldn't. Many weaker members couldn't.

One thing i can see a possibility of, there being an usage/ability of CoC haki that not all will be capable of. Only select few like Joyboy, Roger, Garp for eg were. But Doffy? Nope.

 

[Albino 👑]

Just a while back, Shanks CoC haki was hyped being equally good as Rayleigh, being capable of ko-ing all Fishman.

I say don't look too much into these question answers. Rayleigh is different than Roger, why'd he try to copy his attacks? Do Zoro n Sanji do that?
Shanks was a kid, him copying make sense. Buggy couldn't. Many weaker members couldn't.

One thing i can see a possibility of, there being an usage/ability of CoC haki that not all will be capable of. Only select few like Joyboy, Roger, Garp for eg were. But Doffy? Nope.

An sbs from all the way back from fishman island where the only characters to use conquerors were Luffy, Shanks, Rayleigh, and kid Ace
Them being to knock out all 100 thousand compared to Luffy’s 50 thousand doesn’t make them comparable just stronger than Luffy. Same way me and mike Tyson being able to beat up 10 out of 10 second graders doesn’t someone mean I’m as strong as Mike Tyson

Oda goes out of his way to specifically that they couldn’t imitate it besides shanks not that they didn’t feel like it

That’s my point i think there could be a rare use of conquerors like internal armament or future observation that only a very rare amount of people are capable of. Like your Roger Shanks and joyboys

 

[Guymieux]

An sbs from all the way back from fishman island where the only characters to use conquerors were Luffy, Shanks, Rayleigh, and kid Ace
Them being to knock out all 100 thousand compared to Luffy’s 50 thousand doesn’t make them comparable just stronger than Luffy. Same way me and mike Tyson being able to beat up 10 out of 10 second graders doesn’t someone mean I’m as strong as Mike Tyson

Oda goes out of his way to specifically that they couldn’t imitate it besides shanks not that they didn’t feel like it

That’s my point i think there could be a rare use of conquerors like internal armament or future observation that only a very rare amount of people are capable of. Like your Roger Shanks and joyboys

You’re an idiot that didn’t even think Roger was a swordsman.

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

I've seen a lot of people argue that X character shouldn't have CoC because they don't have the quailities of a king/leader, etc.

But I think there is a difference between CoC specialists and people who simply unlock CoC

This is the difference between Shanks and Mihawk. Shanks is like Luffy a CoC specialist, while Mihawk is like Zoro a CoA specialist. They will unlock CoC, but it's not their bread and butter.

I know Oda introduced it as just CoC users point blank, but explaining the nuts and bolts would ruin the drama.

In general

CoC user = Highly amibitious person

CoC specialist = King/Leader

PK = King of Kings

So CoC is simply the mark of an ambitious person, and CoC specialists are the true kings and leaders.

The only flaw here is that even if someone's specialty is X it does not mean they can be the best at it.

Take Luffy and Sanji... Luffy has a high applications of CoO and Sanji vaguely is shown with high quality of CoO but Luffy still surpasses him in it.

Its ok if Mihawk can rival Shanks in all forms of Haki in terms of Power but Shanks could perhaps with his CoC make others like him naturally. While Mihawk makes people naturally fears him which is what CoC is usually known for.

 

[Cruxroux]

It doesn't take rocket science to understand Advanced CoC is just CoA in steroids.

Bar the Basic CoC, AdCoC is just CoA only just stronger.

 

[Chaves]

The criteria for being uses cutting attacks is being a specialist in Armament Haki, like Gaban, Zoro, Oden, Rayleigh, Mihawk, and Vista.

In contrast, CoC specialty is firing shockwaves, like Shanks, Roger, Xebec and Harald; it's a specialty exclusive to CoC.

 

[MonsterKaido]

The criteria for being uses cutting attacks is being a specialist in Armament Haki, like Gaban, Zoro, Oden, Rayleigh, Mihawk, and Vista.

In contrast, CoC specialty is firing shockwaves, like Shanks, Roger, Xebec and Harald; it's a specialty exclusive to CoC.

This guy is still coping

@HA001 @L57 @nik87 @Blazing Lion

 

[sanjikun]

The only flaw here is that even if someone's specialty is X it does not mean they can be the best at it.

It's not a flaw because no one made that argument. This is about personalities.

Like I said in another post, Mihawk is a CoA specialist but his CoC is stronger than Hancock and Doffy who are CoC specialists and kings/leaders.

So it’s Luffy who has the high emotional intelligence, it’s not “a CoC specialist” thing

so what hell are you even talking about?

The whole point of the thread is your personality is reflected in what Haki affinity you have. Their "kingly" personality is reflected in their CoC, but they have other aspect of their personality that are ALSO reflected within subsections of CoO and CoA.

Again, read what Rayleigh said "Within the confines of CoO, you seem more in tune with other people's emotions" As in, when we're just discussing CoO (and nothing else), your personality lends itself to you sensing people's emotions.

It doesn't just end at "CoC specialist" and that's it. Different kings have different personalities, and that's ALSO reflected in different strains of CoA and CoO.

 

[Maupp]

Um, no one said Mihawk doesn't have CoC. It's just not his speciality.

Zoro proved you can be a CoA specialist and be WSS.

It's actually quite the opposite. Zoro is currently not anywhere near the WSS and his path to achieving that will be by mastering his AdCoC usage. To reach the zenith of swordsmanship he'll have to push his CoC level as and that's where Oda has been focusing with Zoro as far as power goes.

All the Overpowered characters, especially those without fruits have insane CoC mastery and that's the color Oda has been focusing on for Zoro since he'd awakened it in Wano. Zoro has been told to master his CoC to push forward. No talks of CoA or anything like that. From now on it'll purely be improving and mastering the CoC side of things for Zoro.

 

[sanjikun]

It's actually quite the opposite. Zoro is currently not anywhere near the WSS and his path to achieving that will be by mastering his AdCoC usage. To reach the zenith of swordsmanship he'll have to push his CoC level as and that's where Oda has been focusing with Zoro as far as power goes.

All the Overpowered characters, especially those without fruits have insane CoC mastery and that's the color Oda has been focusing on for Zoro since he'd awakened it in Wano. Zoro has been told to master his CoC to push forward. No talks of CoA or anything like that. From now on it'll purely be improving and mastering the CoC side of things for Zoro.

Yes. And how does that change the fact that Oda said Zoro's a CoA specialist?

You can train all 3 Hakis. It doesn't change your natural affinity to a specific Haki.

 

[NAMELESS]

OP power system is so lame. I miss Naruto powerscaling.

 

[Rootbeer]

What Oda didn't specify there is that Luffy specialize not only in CoC, but also CoO.. Luffy has 2 Haki colors affinity which is extremely rare, more rare than Shanks.. Luffy having 2 Haki type affinity is the reason why he has and is eligible for the Voice of All Things..

 

[Guymieux]

What Oda didn't specify there is that Luffy specialize not only in CoC, but also CoO.. Luffy has 2 Haki colors affinity which is extremely rare, more rare than Shanks.. Luffy having 2 Haki type affinity is the reason why he has and is eligible for the Voice of All Things..

STFU

 

[zenox]

le coc specialist being unable to control his haki cuz he is angry

 

[Vanlax]

This was right after the time skip.

It's obvious that this have changed since WCI and the revelations of AdvCOC at Wano.

Luffy specializes in all categories.

Zoro needs more refining in his COC usage but already can use it. He only lacks AdvCOO. Also Zoro doesn't use internal destruction with his cuts, which is the highest skill of offensive haki so far. So how is he a COA specialist exactly?

Sanji doesn't specialize in any categories. He hasn't shown any advanced haki techniques at all.

Furthermore COC cannot be trained to be stronger and its application is similar to COA. So a COA specialist who knows he can use COC the same way is a specialist for both types of haki.

Stop living in the past. Things have already changed.