Current Events Common sense obliterates Sanji fans once more! At what point will that fandom use logic and stop twisting facts for fake Ws?

[Robin swan]

Yes you can when the two are consistently portrayed this way… zoro and Sanji are still always has been, and clearly always will be portrayed as close rivals.

It doesn’t matter what power ups they get this will never ever change. Trying to force it just means you’re ignoring the manga in exchange for your agenda.

1. Rivals doesn't mean equals it means they are willing to compete with each other. In wano kidd and luffy are rivals and have veen rivals since he was introduced. Is kidd equals with luffy just because they are rivals? No you can't use zoro feats to give to sanji like you can't use sanji feats to give to zoro. Explain how Sanji's feats let him mid diff king or Lucci. Nothing says current sanji can even beat king and lucci is a extreme diff fight at least for current sanji.

2. Did you even read what I put. I didn't say zoroo >>>> sanji eos. You are trying to force sanji to be equals with zoro currently then trying to gift sanji his eos portrayal for his current self. Currently sanji is yc1 and is a mid diff for zoro or luffy. His best portrayal is being pared with g4 and base zoro. Luffy and zoro both have more pu's they can use while that was sanji at his strongest currently. For this dynamic to change by eos sanji has to gain more pu's than them currently to fit Roger's m3. It can't be a 1 to 1 pu major up for all as then the gap remains the same or widens.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

1. Rivals doesn't mean equals it means they are willing to compete with each other. In wano kidd and luffy are rivals and have veen rivals since he was introduced. Is kidd equals with luffy just because they are rivals? No you can't use zoro feats to give to sanji like you can't use sanji feats to give to zoro. Explain how Sanji's feats let him mid diff king or Lucci. Nothing says current sanji can even beat king and lucci is a extreme diff fight at least for current sanji.

2. Did you even read what I put. I didn't say zoroo >>>> sanji eos. You are trying to force sanji to be equals with zoro currently then trying to gift sanji his eos portrayal for his current self. Currently sanji is yc1 and is a mid diff for zoro or luffy. His best portrayal is being pared with g4 and base zoro. Luffy and zoro both have more pu's they can use while that was sanji at his strongest currently. For this dynamic to change by eos sanji has to gain more pu's than them currently to fit Roger's m3. It can't be a 1 to 1 pu major up for all as then the gap remains the same or widens.

1. Never said equals. But rivalries necessitate a level of closeness otherwise there’d be no rivalry. Kid isn’t equal to Luffy but Luffys not mid diffing kid or law. You’re the one trying to push feats. I don’t give a shit about those. I’m talking portrayal, since that’s what oda has always been consistent with power wise.

2. Never said equal. But Zoro is going to need an extreme diff fight to defeat Sanji just as always. Sanji doesn’t need anything.

 

[shastar-sei]

1. Rivals doesn't mean equals it means they are willing to compete with each other. In wano kidd and luffy are rivals and have veen rivals since he was introduced. Is kidd equals with luffy just because they are rivals? No you can't use zoro feats to give to sanji like you can't use sanji feats to give to zoro. Explain how Sanji's feats let him mid diff king or Lucci. Nothing says current sanji can even beat king and lucci is a extreme diff fight at least for current sanji.

2. Did you even read what I put. I didn't say zoroo >>>> sanji eos. You are trying to force sanji to be equals with zoro currently then trying to gift sanji his eos portrayal for his current self. Currently sanji is yc1 and is a mid diff for zoro or luffy. His best portrayal is being pared with g4 and base zoro. Luffy and zoro both have more pu's they can use while that was sanji at his strongest currently. For this dynamic to change by eos sanji has to gain more pu's than them currently to fit Roger's m3. It can't be a 1 to 1 pu major up for all as then the gap remains the same or widens.

The bar is so low these days that they're content in believing Sanji is nearly equal to Zoro through Gaban's standing with Rayleigh or leeching from Zoro's accomplishments rather than Sanji proving it on his own.

Let's say Sanji never gets CoC nor advanced CoO. They seem like they would still be fine with it as long as they can hold on to the idea of them being close. Meanwhile, Zoro and, of course, Luffy continue to show superior feats and portrayals.

 

[Robin swan]

1. Never said equals. But rivalries necessitate a level of closeness otherwise there’d be no rivalry. Kid isn’t equal to Luffy but Luffys not mid diffing kid or law. You’re the one trying to push feats. I don’t give a shit about those. I’m talking portrayal, since that’s what oda has always been consistent with power wise.

2. Never said equal. But Zoro is going to need an extreme diff fight to defeat Sanji just as always. Sanji doesn’t need anything.

1. No they don't buggy and shanks are rivals. Rivals only means they are willing to compete and when push comes to shove sanji knows zoro is stronger than him. On TB sanji put zoro ahead of himself or on wano sanji out right asked zoro to kill him if he became like his brothers. Luffy is mid diff kidd or law he can out right beat them together. Feats dictate a characters level how can you not care about feats when trying to compare characters. Portrayal at eos doesn't trump current feats when talking about current characters. Again what feats does sanji have that shows he can mid diff king or Lucci? If you have none sanji is clearly noticeably weaker than luffy and zoro that can.

2. Only time in the series zoro would need extreme diff is in EL. He didn't need it before and hasn't needed since. Most of the series sanji has been a mid to high diff fight. Just look at you as a prime example as you need to gift sanji Zoro's feats to say they are close than just using Sanji's feats. You can't use sanji feats as Sanji's feats aren't anywhere close to Zoro's. Sanji is a mid diff fight for zoro currently. By eos sanji will gain more abilities to make it closer fight but that doesn't change the current match up.

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The bar is so low these days that they're content in believing Sanji is nearly equal to Zoro through Gaban's standing with Rayleigh or leeching from Zoro's accomplishments rather than Sanji proving it on his own.

Let's say Sanji never gets CoC nor advanced CoO. They seem like they would still be fine with it as long as they can hold on to the idea of them being close. Meanwhile, Zoro and, of course, Luffy continue to show superior feats and portrayals.

Guy literally said he doesn't give a shit about feats yet wants to put zoro and sanji close. People just want to blind wank and not even think.

 

[Kishido]

I was a toddler man please get off forums start a family 🥀

10 years married and 2 children.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

1. No they don't buggy and shanks are rivals. Rivals only means they are willing to compete and when push comes to shove sanji knows zoro is stronger than him. On TB sanji put zoro ahead of himself or on wano sanji out right asked zoro to kill him if he became like his brothers. Luffy is mid diff kidd or law he can out right beat them together. Feats dictate a characters level how can you not care about feats when trying to compare characters. Portrayal at eos doesn't trump current feats when talking about current characters. Again what feats does sanji have that shows he can mid diff king or Lucci? If you have none sanji is clearly noticeably weaker than luffy and zoro that can.

2. Only time in the series zoro would need extreme diff is in EL. He didn't need it before and hasn't needed since. Most of the series sanji has been a mid to high diff fight. Just look at you as a prime example as you need to gift sanji Zoro's feats to say they are close than just using Sanji's feats. You can't use sanji feats as Sanji's feats aren't anywhere close to Zoro's. Sanji is a mid diff fight for zoro currently. By eos sanji will gain more abilities to make it closer fight but that doesn't change the current match up.

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Guy literally said he doesn't give a shit about feats yet wants to put zoro and sanji close. People just want to blind wank and not even think.

“Buggy and shanks are rivals” yeah okay lmao

 

[Robin swan]

“Buggy and shanks are rivals” yeah okay lmao

Look whose denying the manga now. Buggy and shanks have been rivals since kidd and alot of his portrayal to the world is that they think shanks and buggy are close in strength. Since when has it been that characters aren't close in strength they can't be rivals? Pre time skip bb and luffy were rivals and bb is way stronger, kid luffy out right made shanks his rival and bench mark yet shanks was infinitely stronger than kid luffy, coby and helmeppo are zoro luffy rivals yet both are drastically weaker to the point of low to mid diffs most of the series, zoro and mihawk have been rivals since east blue, moriah and kaido were rivals and moriah got low diffed, kidd law and luffy are all rivals yet kid and law are at best mid diffs for luffy, obviously zoro and sanji have been mid to high diff fights for most of the series and is a mid diff currently, kidd and apoo have a rivalry and apoo is low to mid diff for kidd, it was out out right stated that the supernova were luffy's rivals, etc. These are all rivalry yet 1 characters is noticeably stronger. Almost like you got a bias and are trying to force it. Rivalries never been based on strength but willingness to compete. Shanks could have easily beaten buggy and either took him out or forced him to join his crew. Instead he let them have a friendly rivalry because he willing to compete with Buggy instead of out right dominating him. Willingness to compete makes a rivalry not power level.

 

[Rumble]

1. Ok sanji vs king or Lucci does he mid diff them like zoro and luffy can?

For one, Luffy no-diffed Lucci. He's not in the realm of this conversation.

This is strictly about the Wings, who are equal calibre fighters with very different styles, abilities and strengths.

The only difference between Zoro and Sanji in these matchups specifically is that Sanji has enormous physical advantages Zoro simply doesn't.

King and Lucci are dramatically inferior across the board, to the point it's not even clear whether they are capable of hurting Sanji, who dura negged S-Shark's freebie Fishman Karate strike and the internal damage that came with it like it was nothing.

Current Sanji would blitz both of them like he did to Queen and flame-on S-Shark, who he managed to hurt without Germa boost.

Spoiler: ch 1077

A feat Zoro couldn't do with one of his strongest moves.

Spoiler: ch 1077

This wasn't the only feat Sanji accomplished that Zoro couldn't.

Spoiler: ch 1107

Nor was that the only time Sanji outpaced a laser or explosion either.

Spoiler: ch 1073

 

[SakazOuki]

How badly does it hurt that Stussy’s dog is more or less equal to Zolo

 

[Rumble]

How badly does it hurt that Stussy’s dog is more or less equal to Zolo

As an actual fan of Zoro, I find the notion of it being rumoured years from now that the only man capable of matching the famous WSS (and possibly WSM) is a man from the North Blue that's a world-renowned chef, prince, or king depending on which version you hear.

 

[SakazOuki]

As an actual fan of Zoro, I find the notion of it being rumoured years from now that the only man capable of matching the famous WSS (and possibly WSM) is a man from the North Blue that's a world-renowned chef, prince, or king depending on which version you hear.

It’s even funnier when you realize they’re never surpassing the Admirals

 

[Robin swan]

For one, Luffy no-diffed Lucci. He's not in the realm of this conversation.

This is strictly about the Wings, who are equal calibre fighters with very different styles, abilities and strengths.

The only difference between Zoro and Sanji in these matchups specifically is that Sanji has enormous physical advantages Zoro simply doesn't.

King and Lucci are dramatically inferior across the board, to the point it's not even clear whether they are capable of hurting Sanji, who dura negged S-Shark's freebie Fishman Karate strike and the internal damage that came with it like it was nothing. :kobeba:

Current Sanji would blitz both of them like he did to Queen and flame-on S-Shark, who he managed to hurt without Germa boost.

Spoiler: ch 1077

A feat he accomplished without Germa, and Zoro couldn't do with one of his strongest moves.

Spoiler: ch 1077

This wasn't the only feat Sanji accomplished that Zoro couldn't.

Spoiler: ch 1107

Nor was that the only time Sanji outpaced a laser or explosion either.

Spoiler: ch 1107

1. Luffy vs lucci was a mid diff and lucici was fighting g5 well he was just out matched. Zoro should be out of the realm to since once he was serious he 1 shot lucci. The point is at best Lucci can only force a mid diff with either while sanji canmid diff him. Since he can't there is a clear gap currently.

2. Zoro and sanji aren't equal caliber of fighters zoro is clearly stronger to point he can mid diff current sanji.

3. Sanji only has movement speedand agility most of the physical stats go to zoro. Zoro has the enormous physical advantage not sanji.

4. Dude queen was capable of hurting sanji and his damage koed sanji at the end of the fight. Lucci and king both hit harder than queen.

5. S-shark did a basic punch it didn't have any internal destruction or even haki on it. Yea sanji should nmbe able to no sell a basic punch from any seraphim or yc level fighter for that point. Queen has some of the worse reaction speed in his tier. As basic no named Air slash from zoro on the live floor blitzed him. He counter for his lack of reaction speed is his ability to go invisible and be hard to find. You can't use queen as a standard as his reaction speed is some of the worst we have seen. It be like trying limit a character endurance to crackers level just because they are in the same tier it doesn't work like that. Sanji hasn't shown that he could blitz king or Lucci consistently like he could queen.

6. Sanji didn't hurt s-shark why keep pushing this lie? We know shishi son son is stronger than a basic dj kick yet it didn't hurt a seraphim or king. I'll ask is dj stronger than g4 luffy, lucci, Kaku, and zoro combined? All of them combined didn't hurt a seraphim yet you want to think a basic dj kick did?

 

[DonWick]

For one, Luffy no-diffed Lucci. He's not in the realm of this conversation.
[/SPOILER]

This might be the first time I’ve seen you powerscale properly

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[shastar-sei]

Current Sanji would blitz both of them like he did to Queen and flame-on S-Shark, who he managed to hurt without Germa boost.

Spoiler: ch 1077

This is such a nonsense panel. There's a similar scene from Wano where Zoro made King's eyes go white, but King wasn't fazed at all.

 

[Rumble]

1. Luffy vs lucci was a mid diff and lucici was fighting g5 well he was just out matched.

It was low diff. Luffy used G5 because he likes using it.

Lucci got violated.

Zoro should be out of the realm to since once he was serious he 1 shot lucci.

The point is at best Lucci can only force a mid diff with either while sanji canmid diff him. Since he can't there is a clear gap currently.

Lucci is an easier fight for Sanji, for reasons I've already explained, and you're hoping to get away with ignoring.

2. Zoro and sanji aren't equal caliber of fighters zoro is clearly stronger to point he can mid diff current sanji.

Evidently, if they're not equal calibre fighters it's because Sanji is stronger.

3. Sanji only has movement speed

What you have here is cope.

most of the physical stats go to zoro. Zoro has the enormous physical advantage not sanji.

What's crazy is that you have to be so deep into your mental illness as a grown fanboy to believe this dumb shit.

4. Dude queen was capable of hurting sanji and his damage koed sanji at the end of the fight.

Only when Sanji was negatively impacted by his awakening, and the fact he did damage was completely negated by the fact Sanji's awakening.

Lucci and king both hit harder than queen.

a) Queen has lasers

b) the most damage Queen did was by crushing Sanji's bones and internal organs

5. S-shark did a basic punch it didn't have any internal destruction or even haki on it. Yea sanji should nmbe able to no sell a basic punch from any seraphim or yc level fighter for that point.

Look at his hand, dumbass.

Queen has some of the worse reaction speed in his tier. As basic no named Air slash from zoro on the live floor blitzed him. He counter for his lack of reaction speed is his ability to go invisible and be hard to find. You can't use queen as a standard as his reaction speed is some of the worst we have seen. It be like trying limit a character endurance to crackers level just because they are in the same tier it doesn't work like that. Sanji hasn't shown that he could blitz king or Lucci consistently like he could queen.

More cope.

Queen isn't slow. He had no trouble keeping track of Marco's speed or other quick fighters.

Oda has already confirmed Sanji's ability to turn invisible is down to sheer speed, which was another reason he passed out.

Sanji has numerous speed feats on Wano alone that put him far ahead of what King and Lucci are capable of dealing with. Post Egghead, there's not even a conversation to be had.

6. Sanji didn't hurt s-shark why keep pushing this lie?

Cope more. Cry more. Nothing changes.

We know shishi son son is stronger than a basic dj kick yet it didn't hurt a seraphim or king.

Sounds like Zoro is lacking in the AP department. I don't see how that has anything to do with Sanji.

I'll ask is dj stronger than g4 luffy, lucci, Kaku, and zoro combined? All of them combined didn't hurt a seraphim yet you want to think a basic dj kick did?

Sanji was properly motivated.

 

[Robin swan]

It was low diff. Luffy used G5 because he liked using it.

Lucci got violated.







Lucci is an easier fight for Sanji than is Zoro, for reasons I've already explained and you're hoping to get away with ignoring.



If they're not equal calibre fighters it's because Sanji is stronger.



What you have here is cope.



What's crazy is that you have to be so deep into your mental illness as a grown adult fanboy to believe this dumb shit.



Only when Sanji was negatively impacted by his awakening, and the fact he did damage was completely negated by the fact Sanji's awakening.



a) Queen has lasers

b) the most damage Queen did was by crushing Sanji's bones and internal organs



Look at this hand, dumbass.



More cope.

Queen isn't slow. He had no trouble keeping track of Marco's speed or other quick fighters.

Oda has already confirmed Sanji's ability to turn invisible is down to sheer speed, which was another reason he passed out.

Sanji has numerous speed feats on Wano alone that put him far ahead of King and Lucci are capable of. Post Egghead, there's not even a conversation to be had.



Cope more. Cry more. Nothing changes.

Sounds like Zoro is lacking in the AP department. I don't see how that has anything to do with Sanji.



Sanji was properly motivated.

1. It's a mid diff because of the effort luffy had to put in. Imo the beginning of a mid diff fight is you have to be trying significantly more than you base or casual fighting ability. Low diff would mean luffy wouldn't need g5 or adhaki to beat Lucci and could beat him without trying that hard. Luffy can't low diff because of the effort he'd need to win. It's a low end mid diff unless luffy masters g5 to the point it's his base and regular fighting style then it's a neg to low diff. Zoro could 1 shot lucci once he was serious so neither zoro or luffy are in Sanji's realm yet again. Lucci is a lower end of amid diff for both as he can only force them to fight him seriously after that he's washed.

2. How is sanji stronger? People are trying bring sanji up to zoro using zoro when he's already stronger. You should go tell the other sanji fans to stop using zoro then.

3. You didn't explain anything. Lucci was keep pace with g5 and wasn't just blitz out right. Then you are lying saying sanji hurt a seraphim when he didn't do anything noticeable to it. So you have to believe sanji can speed blitz g5 as Lucci was keeping pace with it and that dj is stronger than the combination of Lucci kakau zoro and luffy. Go on and explain these delusions.

4. Sanji was hurt post his exoskeleton. Spark Henry out right broker his durability and hurt him. He was koed because of Queens damage and king and lucci both hit harder. It's a blatant lie to act like they can't hurt sanji when queen did.

5. Lasers that did nothing and him breaking sanji bones is a ok feat. Did you not read wano king with a basic beak had sanji thinking he was about to be torn in half through his raid suit. That's was a extremely weak attack for king and we know king hits harder than queen by feats.

6. It's a basic punch not all jinbe or s-shark moves have internal destruction. All s-shark did was throw a basic punch with no haki on it. Yet you are acting like he did the strongest possible fish man Karate move with his best haki on it. It's a basic punch with no haki and good durability feat for sanji.

7. - His reaction speed is ass. He gets hit by everything even monster point chopper that very slow can hit him. A basic air slash from zoro speed blitz him. His reaction speed is horrible and most any remotely fast character can speed blitz him.

- he's invisible to queen not everyone. We seen him use ij which has his max speed built into it and base zoro and g4 luffy both kept up with it. Sanji doesn't speed blitz everyone just cuz he could queen. Queen reaction speed is terrible. By this logic Zoro's basic air slash is as fast as sanji since queen couldn't react to it either. That same air slash can blitz every to just like sanji because it could queen. You don't believe that do you? So don't act like queen is reflective of everyone his reaction speed is far below his level.

8. Where was any effect on s-shark post the attack. Zoro did the same thing to king and he didn't receive any actual damage despite looking hurt. Again I ask is dj stronger than the combination of base zoro, g4 luffy, Kaku, and Lucci? Dj has to be stronger than all combined to hurt a seraphim because they didn't.

 

[Rumble]

This is such a nonsense panel. There's a similar scene from Wano where Zoro made King's eyes go white, but King wasn't fazed at all.

What's with all the cope today?

Flames-on King no-sold Zoro for effect. Even ya fav knew it did nothing.

Unlike S-Hawk, who got hit by two moves and didn't budge, S-Shark went flying in obvious pain off one hit.

Of course, sword swallowers would rather deny what happened and cope than accept reality, but that doesn't change the reality it happened.

 

[shastar-sei]

What's with all the cope today?

Flames-on King no-sold Zoro for effect. Even ya fav knew it did nothing.

Unlike S-Hawk, who got hit by two moves and didn't budge, S-Shark went flying in obvious pain off one hit.

Of course, sword swallowers would rather deny what happened and cope than accept reality, but that doesn't change the reality it happened.

Flame-on King did no-sell it, as I pointed out myself, but so did S-Shark with Sanji's attack. That's what you aren't getting.

Sanji sent S-Shark flying because he used a kick. That doesn't mean any damage occurred. Zoro's Shishi Sonsons do not send people flying. It didn't do that against Mr. 1, Kuma, Hody, King, or S-Hawk.

We have not seen a Seraphim get hurt while their flames are on. King with flames stopped getting damaged after Chapter 1022, when Oda decided how the Lunarian durability would work. Before that, Zoro did make King bleed with a far weaker attack than the Shishi Sonson he used later.

You need advanced COC levels of AP to threaten a Lunarian into blocking or avoiding.

 

[Rumble]

but so did S-Shark with Sanji's attack. That's what you aren't getting.

To be clear, you argument is S-Shark was no selling Sanji in this instance and I'm in the wrong for not seeing that?

Sanji sent S-Shark flying because he used a kick.

Why didn't S-Hawk go flying?

That doesn't mean any damage occurred.

I didn't say damage, don't pretend to misunderstand the difference between hurt and damage.

Zoro's Shishi Sonsons do not send people flying. It didn't do that against Mr. 1, Kuma, Hody, King, or S-Hawk.

If S-Hawk didn't take damage, the combined force of Zoro and Kaku should've sent him flying even further than Sanji sent S-Shark.

We have not seen a Seraphim get hurt while their flames are on.

King with flames stopped getting damaged after Chapter 1022, when Oda decided how the Lunarian durability would work.

The Seraphims aren't fully mature yet. We don't know where their present level of flame-on durability scales relative to King.

Before that, Zoro did make King bleed with a far weaker attack than the Shishi Sonson he used later.

Zoro couldn't hurt him flame-on.

You need advanced COC levels of AP to threaten a Lunarian into blocking or avoiding.

What the fuck are you talking about?

 

[DonWick]

Since a Sanjeet mod deleted it the first time:

A wise man once said "No need to sterilize Sanji fans; they're already gay"

Had to like it again lol don’t get banned my friend