Character Discussion Conquerors Haki: Usopp, Sanji + characters that might have it.

[Kai. Do]

Sanji getting it will be the bigger spit to the Conqueror's Haki image than Don Chinjao having it.

Let's keep this amongst the relevant and most optimal characters for it. Oda won't give a gag CoC to two people. Let's face the facts even if Usopp gets it it will be in a form of a gag considering all his lies becoming reality.

Sanji just doesn't fit the criteria. He is not a Conqueror, he doesn't have a leader aura around him and all he wants is to see a fucking fish pond and keep cooking for random people.

+ He is a submissive person. Point a gun at his step daddy and he will betray a crew for you.

Usopp, yes.

Sanji, no.

My thoughts as well.

I don't mind Sanji getting CoC, but Oda needs to give him some serious character development for him to have CoC make sense. CoC is all about the strong willed and the disposition to stand above others, and with Sanji current performance in WCI and Wano- giving up so easily to Judge and Big Mom and also still being helpless against women like Black Maria, Sanji getting CoC with the way he is now just doesn't make sense. Jinbe and Ussop are more deserving of CoC right now if we're being fair. Jinbe standing up to akainu and big mom and Ussop overwhelming Perona and Sugar-even if its fake, Ussop still shows his confidence above others.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Sanji would have given up everything for his arranged marriage. Guaranteed poon is bigger than his friends or dreams. Granted there was a hostage but he gave up fighting rather than put any plan in place to get around that.

Usopp will say what you want him to say if you kick his ass hard enough.

 

[matt245]

Imo neither Usopp nor Sanji deserve it.
And no, being a brave warrior doesn't grant you CoC. Same thing happens with Sanji's only arguemnt; Royalty. Being part of a royal familiy won't give you free CoC neither. Someone who is a Conqueror showed those traits even at the beginning because you are born with it.
But at the end, it's Oda's manga and he is able to do with it whatever he wants.
Does Sanji and Usopp deserve CoC? No
Can they get it? Yes

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Sanji would have given up everything for his arranged marriage. Guaranteed poon is bigger than his friends or dreams. Granted there was a hostage but he gave up fighting rather than put any plan in place to get around that.

Usopp will say what you want him to say if you kick his ass hard enough.

Did you miss that Sanji went to WCI to reject the marriage to Judges and Big Moms face.

It wasn’t until Zeffs life was threatened and the values Zeff installed on him were threatened that Sanji resigned to his back up plan which was sacrifice himself to save the life of Luffy and Zeff and Iva.

Oden did something similar with orochi, Ace also sacrificed himself for the first person who loved him (like Sanji was doing)

 

[matt245]

Did you miss that Sanji went to WCI to reject the marriage to Judges and Big Moms face.

It wasn’t until Zeffs life was threatened and the values Zeff installed on him were threatened that Sanji resigned to his back up plan which was sacrifice himself to save the life of Luffy and Zeff and Iva.

Oden did something similar with orochi, Ace also sacrificed himself for the first person who loved him (like Sanji was doing)

You are rlly talking about the only 2 guys that rejected their CoC and their qualities of a King so not the best example...
And still, both sacrificed themselves after failing. Sanji just gave up without any resistance.
And then you also have this:

Doesn't rlly look like a King there.
Both Luffy and Zoro, current CoC users, claiming that they would rather die than giving up and then you have Sanji screaming "give up". Luffy and Zoro showed their guts since the first chapter of their introduction unlike Sanji. And I don't think that I need to remind you that you are either born with it or not.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

You are rlly talking about the only 2 guys that rejected their CoC and their qualities of a King so not the best example...
And still, both sacrificed themselves after failing. Sanji just gave up without any resistance.
And then you also have this:

Doesn't rlly look like a King there.
Both Luffy and Zoro, current CoC users, claiming that they would rather die than giving up and then you have Sanji screaming "give up". Luffy and Zoro showed their guts since the first chapter of their introduction unlike Sanji. And I don't think that I need to remind you that you are either born with it or not.

They never gave up on their CoC? You understand that it just relates to what you want. Neither Ace nor Oden had giant ambition, however they protected what they wanted. That’s why they had CoC. Ace wanted to find someone who’ll love him. Oden wanted to free his country. And what they did related to that.

Sanji didn’t give up; he created a second option. Rather than allowing others to die, he sacrificed himself to keep them safe. Very normal for CoC users. Whitebeard/Oden/Ace showcase that this is something prominent that they do.

As for the quote you posted people say this all the time then completely forget that Zeff himself said that he was stifling his will for Zeffs sake. Mihawk said a quote about this to Zoro as well, “You’ve found something more important than your own ambition.” “When a man like you is willing to throw your pride away it’s always for someone else.” Sanjis just always had someone more important to him than his dream and pride. It’s always been Zeff. Keep reading and you see Sanji constantly saying “Point your gun at me.” Or letting him get beat up because if he fought back Zeff would die.

Ambition =/= Motivation. Never been the case.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Did you miss that Sanji went to WCI to reject the marriage to Judges and Big Moms face.

It wasn’t until Zeffs life was threatened and the values Zeff installed on him were threatened that Sanji resigned to his back up plan which was sacrifice himself to save the life of Luffy and Zeff and Iva.

Oden did something similar with orochi, Ace also sacrificed himself for the first person who loved him (like Sanji was doing)

Oden's deal was always temporary. Marrying Pudding wasn't a temporary idea. Once Oden found out he was suckered, he decided to fight. When Sanji found out he was suckered, he needed Luffy to knock the sense back into him. Not the same ambition at all

 

[Finalbeta]

Oden's deal was always temporary. Marrying Pudding wasn't a temporary idea. Once Oden found out he was suckered, he decided to fight. When Sanji found out he was suckered, he needed Luffy to knock the sense back into him. Not the same ambition at all

He should have trusted his nakama more and let him help with the Zeff - BPM case instead of surrounding so soon.

 

[Lunaria]

Million of People only Confirmed 16 Users. and people here saying Ussop and sanji will Have coc lmao

You’re right, 16 users makes absolute sense but 18 users is outrageous.

Oden's deal was always temporary. Marrying Pudding wasn't a temporary idea. Once Oden found out he was suckered, he decided to fight. When Sanji found out he was suckered, he needed Luffy to knock the sense back into him. Not the same ambition at all

Hasn’t Ace lost the will to live at MF ?

 

[Fn Lucci]

He should have trusted his nakama more and let him help with the Zeff - BPM case instead of surrounding so soon.

Yeah.

To compare Sanji to Oden of all people is heinous because Oden and Zoro had the exact same reaction to Orochi's bullshit, while Sanji was trying to say stand down. I get that Sanji appeared to take the WCI burden unto himself, but he did it in the most faithless way.

 

[Violent Sanji]

In regards to people having a debate on if Usopp has Conquerors Haki or if Sanji has it. People need to really look at what conquerors is & how it's defined.

If you love doing deep dives when looking at old chapters for subtle foreshadowing then apply that same time & energy to Usopp & Sanji.

Don't think about it half assed from memory, really go back & read the story to support your claim on whether the character might have conquerors or not.

To find out if a character might qualify I think you have to do the following:

1. Look at all the confirmed conquerors haki user.

2. Analyze their actual character, their dream/ambition.

3. Look at what their accomplishments are.

4. The influence they have over others & what attracts other people to them.

5. Where they started vs where they are now ontop of what they went through

AND THEN apply EACH section to people you think should get conquerors haki & see if they check off each box. If yes then there's a debate to be had, if they don't then there's nothing left to say.

** in my opinion they all need to check off all these boxes in order to be up for discussion. If there are more traits of a conquerors haki user that I missed then feel free to bring it up. Also if you have a character that has conquerors haki that doesn't meet all these boxes then let me know because that can lead to more discussion.

Last thing: just because a character might not meet certain requirements now doesn't mean they can't later down the line.

It’s either you inherit it or you don’t it’s that simple.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

He should have trusted his nakama more and let him help with the Zeff - BPM case instead of surrounding so soon.

The problem is Sanji had no clue how long till he’d reunite with his Nakama. Not to mention Sanji and Zoro were of the same mind that Luffy is in a direct course to fight Kaido to bring BM into the bunch is the worst case scenario. Finally, he’s not the captain he can’t order or even ask the captain to abandon his journey and return to the East Blue for an indeterminate amount of time to protect Zeff.

What Sanji did was literally the only option.

 

[m0nst3Rx]

They never gave up on their CoC? You understand that it just relates to what you want. Neither Ace nor Oden had giant ambition, however they protected what they wanted. That’s why they had CoC. Ace wanted to find someone who’ll love him. Oden wanted to free his country. And what they did related to that.

Sanji didn’t give up; he created a second option. Rather than allowing others to die, he sacrificed himself to keep them safe. Very normal for CoC users. Whitebeard/Oden/Ace showcase that this is something prominent that they do.

As for the quote you posted people say this all the time then completely forget that Zeff himself said that he was stifling his will for Zeffs sake. Mihawk said a quote about this to Zoro as well, “You’ve found something more important than your own ambition.” “When a man like you is willing to throw your pride away it’s always for someone else.” Sanjis just always had someone more important to him than his dream and pride. It’s always been Zeff. Keep reading and you see Sanji constantly saying “Point your gun at me.” Or letting him get beat up because if he fought back Zeff would die.

Ambition =/= Motivation. Never been the case.

do you expecting someone like this freak will get coc? lmao can you put him on the same list with zoro,roger,reylegh and other coc users lol

 

[Luffy bin Dragon]

Usopp the coward is okay but Sanji ain't right? I mean someone forgot how Usopp suggested Nami to say Luffy ain't going to become pirate King is worthy of CoC.
'Sanji doesn't have leader aura' and yet he is the one successfully led the crew to Zou.
Sanji rationally thought that Luffy can't defeat Yonko which is true and that is why he went along, otherwise crew will be dead. When Zoro thinks fighting two Yonkos is difficult, Zoro is rational but when Sanji does in action with an intention of saving the crew, he is a betrayer. Wah.

Usopp stands for his values when push comes to shove

Sanji is so weak willed that his dream has become a joke and a gag

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Usopp stands for his values when push comes to shove

Sanjis will is so weak willed that his dream has become a joke and a gag

I mean we all know this is a gag like when Luffy said he wasn’t sure which is more valuable to him the one piece or a Hercules beetle

 

[Finalbeta]

The problem is Sanji had no clue how long till he’d reunite with his Nakama.

Well that's part of the trust aspect. Be confident that he would not have been left alone was part of the "deal".

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Well that's part of the trust aspect. Be confident that he would not have been left alone was part of the "deal".

Again, do you think Sanji would want to bring Luffy into a war against a second emperor after already starting a war against Kaido

 

[executor partner]

Usopp and Simpji CoC???

 

[mugiwalaw]

a pervert doesnt match in conqueror qualification.

also a liar.

 

[Z-Saber]

Usopp and Simpji CoC???

And here we have “Foolishness, Colorized” -2021