General & Others Continuation of my full analysis on why Wano has been a total failure (Oden's flashback)

#21
It is obvious you didn't read my thread because my complaints are not only about pacing. My complaints are pacing, filler and an unnecessary large cast of characters and plot-lines who end up doing absolutely nothing.

Oda chooses to make things a mystery not because the story naturally leads to them, instead it is because he knows his audience well and how easily entertained they are when he continues to add these filler mysteries. You honestly think that after 25 years of writing One Piece, the readers still aren't allowed to know what the void century, Vega Punk, One Piece, Will of D. etc are? As others have already noted, Oda continues to keep them a mystery because the entire story and sales of the series are based on these unknown mysteries. The hype of those mysteries are much greater than the actual reveal, that is why after 25 years the reader's are still not allowed to know them. And that is why Oda continues to add new mysteries to the story, "Nikka", "Luffy's devil Fruit", "Xebec", "Im", etc. without even addressing any of his previous mysteries.

You said Oda rushed Oden's flashback which is totally false. So Oda was rushing when the first three chapters of Oden flashback was of him fighting a boar? Or how about when we got multiple detail chapters of Oden dancing? If you consider Oden fighting a boar and Oden dancing to be rushed then we both have totally different expectations of what is relevant writing. And why would Oda need to 'work better on some Scabbards' when they have been completely removed from the story? He build all these scabbards up and then shafts them the entire second half of the arc. Why do you want Oda to waste our time even more building them up? Orchi's hate led to absolutely nothing except for some filler bomb plot, as if an entire fucking island crashing into Wano isn't enough.

About Whitebeard, you do know WB is a fanservice character. WB being in Oden's flashback amounted to nothing other than fan service. We learned nothing relevant about WB or Roger.
It is high time for people to recognize fillers in Manga.

People will jump at you if you say "filler chapters in Manga".

Bro, filler is not only in animes.
About 40% of OP manga is filler (so called world building and mysteries).
 
#22
It is high time for people to recognize fillers in Manga.

People will jump at you if you say "filler chapters in Manga".

Bro, filler is not only in animes.
About 40% of OP manga is filler (so called world building and mysteries).
Yep. When thinking about the mangas I have read, One Piece by far has the most filler percentage wise. Naruto barely had filler. Most of the filler in Naruto was due to Kishimto using constant flashbacks that we have already seen, other than that the vast majority of the chapters of Naruto progressed the story. Same with AOT. AOT I can't think of any major filler at all. Every chapter was important to the overall story. Whereas One Piece, we have detail chapters devoted to killing a fucking pig and running around doing absolutely nothing.
 
#23
Yep. When thinking about the mangas I have read, One Piece by far has the most filler percentage wise. Naruto barely had filler. Most of the filler in Naruto was due to Kishimto using constant flashbacks that we have already seen, other than that the vast majority of the chapters of Naruto progressed the story. Same with AOT. AOT I can't think of any major filler at all. Every chapter was important to the overall story. Whereas One Piece, we have detail chapters devoted to killing a fucking pig and running around doing absolutely nothing.
Funny part is, that fucking pig was still alive after being cut in half.
It is like Oda saying, fucc ya all, I am doing what I want.
 
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#25
Also, why is it important to know that Kinemon was different before he met Oden? How is that relevant information? Instead of wasting our time with Kinemon character, why not flesh out TOKI's! Toki is the important character, not fucking Kinemon.
Well...yes. But isn't it normal to leave infos about a character for later the more important they are? I mean, Shanks and Dragon or even Vegapunk are mainly built on not being very tangible characters due to a lack of information, all of them existing for way more than 500 chapters. Toki has only been a noticeable character for 120 chapters.

And because Toki is THAT important, there's plenty of chances to give her the focus she deserves. There was literally no need to take the focus away from Oden in his own flashback just to please the knowledge seekers. That's like saying "why didn't we see the national treasure of Mariejois in Doffy's flashback?"
Because currently we might think from arc to arc, but when One Piece is finished no one will care about which info was given in which chapter or in which arc, as long as the info is given.
 
#26
Well...yes. But isn't it normal to leave infos about a character for later the more important they are? I mean, Shanks and Dragon or even Vegapunk are mainly built on not being very tangible characters due to a lack of information, all of them existing for way more than 500 chapters. Toki has only been a noticeable character for 120 chapters.

And because Toki is THAT important, there's plenty of chances to give her the focus she deserves. There was literally no need to take the focus away from Oden in his own flashback just to please the knowledge seekers. That's like saying "why didn't we see the national treasure of Mariejois in Doffy's flashback?"
Because currently we might think from arc to arc, but when One Piece is finished no one will care about which info was given in which chapter or in which arc, as long as the info is given.
Do you not think that having the scabbards go up against the strongest creature in the world allegedly and not getting instantly koed is an insult to the wsc?

The scabbards are badly induced filler. It is a shame really that you do not see that.
 
#27
Do you not think that having the scabbards go up against the strongest creature in the world allegedly and not getting instantly koed is an insult to the wsc?
I don't really care much about something like that. Villains typically like to not go all out in the beginning and Kaido might've been just curious about how much damage the scabbards can do to him. Big Mom also recently said something about him playing with his food, so that should also be taken into consideration.
The scabbards are badly induced filler. It is a shame really that you do not see that.
We could live without two or three of the scabbards, sure. Although I did like the different directions that Ashura, Kawamatsu and Denjiro took after Odens death and staying in the present time, I think only Denjiro was really needed in the long run. Seeing how they have the least things to do in the war, that's only fair to say.

But literally all of them being filler? No.
 
#28
I don't really care much about something like that. Villains typically like to not go all out in the beginning and Kaido might've been just curious about how much damage the scabbards can do to him. Big Mom also recently said something about him playing with his food, so that should also be taken into consideration.

We could live without two or three of the scabbards, sure. Although I did like the different directions that Ashura, Kawamatsu and Denjiro took after Odens death and staying in the present time, I think only Denjiro was really needed in the long run. Seeing how they have the least things to do in the war, that's only fair to say.

But literally all of them being filler? No.
Lol. A character who is allegwedly wsc can not kill someone who i would assume is weaker than g4 after hitting them in the head. Kaido was hyped up because of his strength. Kaido not killing kinemon after using acoc makes no sense and is stupid writing at all levels. Oda is trolling eberyone to the bank with this arc. This arc is the most disgraceful slap to the fans arc i have ever read week to week. Its not only one thing there are many. Sure drink your odatard juice and repeat over and over how great oda is. Affirm it everyday because your perception will become your reality.

This is the level of stupidity i have to deal with this fandom because they are so idiotic i have to dumb myself down to their level and possibly throw in insults to be heard. Retards.
 
#29
Sure drink your odatard juice and repeat over and over how great oda is. Affirm it everyday because your perception will become your reality.

This is the level of stupidity i have to deal with this fandom because they are so idiotic i have to dumb myself down to their level and possibly throw in insults to be heard. Retards.
I literally criticized Oda's decision to create so many scabbards, so why do you make it look like I can't criticize Oda?

Oh, wasn't I edgy enough? Am I also not able to be heard unless I use insults? Well, too bad. I don't want to be heard then.
 
#30
I literally criticized Oda's decision to create so many scabbards, so why do you make it look like I can't criticize Oda?

Oh, wasn't I edgy enough? Am I also not able to be heard unless I use insults? Well, too bad. I don't want to be heard then.
You are justifying odas epic fail with kaidos portrayal. The worlds strongest creature should have never bothered with the scabbards.
 
#31
Well...yes. But isn't it normal to leave infos about a character for later the more important they are? I mean, Shanks and Dragon or even Vegapunk are mainly built on not being very tangible characters due to a lack of information, all of them existing for way more than 500 chapters. Toki has only been a noticeable character for 120 chapters.

And because Toki is THAT important, there's plenty of chances to give her the focus she deserves. There was literally no need to take the focus away from Oden in his own flashback just to please the knowledge seekers. That's like saying "why didn't we see the national treasure of Mariejois in Doffy's flashback?"
Because currently we might think from arc to arc, but when One Piece is finished no one will care about which info was given in which chapter or in which arc, as long as the info is given.
Are you seriously comparing Shanks, Dragon and Vegapunk and Toki relevance to Kinemon? I seriously have no idea what you're talking about.

"There is plenty of chances to give her focus", then give her focus then! She was created 120 chapters ago, give her focus. Are you telling me, we should wait another five years to give her focus? Also, I never said "take away focus from Oden", like dude go re-read, you're not making any sense.
 
#32
The one thing that really annoys me the most is that Oda never even tries to clear up some of the mysteries fans want to learn about.

Let's take a look at the biggest mysteries in the series:

- devil fruit origin
- Vegapunk
- void century and ancient kingdom
- Joyboy
- WG leaders (Imu, Gorosei) and their masterplan
- Blackbeard and his powers
- location of Laugh Tale
- the One Piece itself
- Dragon and his motivation

Those are 9 huge mysteries alone. I understand that Oda couldn't clear up some of them immediately (the One Piece or location of Laugh Tale), but he didn't even try to clear up the others, when he had the perfect opportunity to do so.

Not only that, but instead he opted to introduce even more mysteries:

- national treasure of Mariejoa
- Zunesha
- three-eyed tribe awakening
- Nika
- mysterious DF that the WG even gave a different name to
- God's valley
- Xebec
- race of Lunarians
- etc.

I could go on forever. As expected, so far he didn't even clear up one of those "lesser" mysteries.

At this point I'm really wondering if he even has any clear idea how to solve all those mysteries or if he simply tries to write mystery after mystery bc he actually has no idea and the stans love getting new mysteries anyway.

If I had to make a guess I think he knows that the actual ideas swirling around the internet and all those fan discussions are far more intriguing than the actual explanation of those plot points. That's why he wants to drag it out as long as possible. Happened in a lot of other stories, too.
 

Seth

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#33
I understand that Oda couldn't clear up some of them immediately
No no no. Do not try to understand Oda here. He could reveal stuff little by little which would climax at huge reveal form all of the puzzles and that's why I hate his fucking writing post timeskip.

When the fuck he wants to show us what is what? Even if in the next chapters we get Ancient Kingdom backstory it's fucking ass because he will speedrun shit.

He lost ability to write and keep people interested.
90% people read it for power scaling 10% lies to themselves thinking they are reading this for the story.
 
#34
No no no. Do not try to understand Oda here. He could reveal stuff little by little which would climax at huge reveal form all of the puzzles and that's why I hate his fucking writing post timeskip.

When the fuck he wants to show us what is what? Even if in the next chapters we get Ancient Kingdom backstory it's fucking ass because he will speedrun shit.

He lost ability to write and keep people interested.
90% people read it for power scaling 10% lies to themselves thinking they are reading this for the story.
I literally wrote most of the stuff you said ...

I'm not going so far to say he has lost any ability to write (bc that's an obvious exaggeration, too), but it has certainly got worse imho.
 
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Seth

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#35
I literally wrote most of the stuff you said ...

I'm not going so far to say he has lost any ability to write (bc that's an ovious exaggeration, too), but it has certainly got worse imho.
I know this ain't the way but look at the movies. Why won't make them canon instead of trash fanservice and just apologize to the fans and say that there is so much stuff he would love to reveal in the manga but he can't so he uses this medium for it.

I'm a fully blown power scaler. I haven't seek one piece spoilers to see if something get revealed for last 10 years or so. I only go to spoilers to see what happened power wise. This is how much Oda lost me as a reader.

When 957 I was fucking stunned and thought to myself for a second. We are going into good direction. Nah...
 
#36
The one thing that really annoys me the most is that Oda never even tries to clear up some of the mysteries fans want to learn about.

Let's take a look at the biggest mysteries in the series:

- devil fruit origin
- Vegapunk
- void century and ancient kingdom
- Joyboy
- WG leaders (Imu, Gorosei) and their masterplan
- Blackbeard and his powers
- location of Laugh Tale
- the One Piece itself
- Dragon and his motivation
- Will of D

Those are 9 huge mysteries alone. I understand that Oda couldn't clear up some of them immediately (the One Piece or location of Laugh Tale), but he didn't even try to clear up the others, when he had the perfect opportunity to do so.

Not only that, but instead he opted to introduce even more mysteries:

- national treasure of Mariejoa
- Zunesha
- three-eyed tribe awakening
- Nika
- mysterious DF that the WG even gave a different name to
- God's valley
- Xebec
- race of Lunarians
- etc.

I could go on forever. As expected, so far he didn't even clear up one of those "lesser" mysteries.

At this point I'm really wondering if he even has any clear idea how to solve all those mysteries or if he simply tries to write mystery after mystery bc he actually has no idea and the stans love getting new mysteries anyway.

If I had to make a guess I think he knows that the actual ideas swirling around the internet and all those fan discussions are far more intriguing than the actual explanation of those plot points. That's why he wants to drag it out as long as possible. Happened in a lot of other stories, too.
Classic Oda. You just listed about 20 unresolved mysteries, just imagine how long Oda will take to answer even one of them. One Piece can't be about lore if we don't get answers to anything regarding the lore.
 
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