Chapter Discussion Copium within the Zorofandom. The Hypocricy!!

Is this hypocrisy at its finest?

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DonWick

DonWick

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Dear hypocritical Zoro fans,

I’ll be the first to say that I am a huge Zoro fan. However, I will always be a Luffy fan first. Typically, I post about the Sanji fandom for being delusional however, it seems to be a perfect time to discuss the hypocrisy in the Zoro fandom.

Let’s start by making one thing clear. Zoro will never be Luffy nor will he ever be stronger than Luffy get over it. I like Zoro because he is bad ass, works for his strength, and is a normal human keeping up with monsters. Why do y’all like him?

I want to discuss the hypocrisy within the Zoro fandom within the following sections:


  1. A lot of Zoro fans saying Luffy should be dead him surviving is an ass pull and plot armor. For one this is literally the dumbest stance that you can take when reading a Shonen manga. Oda isn’t going to kill is main and most popular character in a series that’s been running for over 20 years. If he does kill Luffy it won’t be until he’s accomplished his goals, that’s just common sense. How is Luffy surviving an ass pull? Kaido thinks he’s dead he literally just announced it. The last defeat he threw Luffy in the sea which typically should be death for a devil fruit user. But let’s talk about Zoro and times he should have been dead. The nothing happened moment was great but Zoro should have died even Kuma mentioned it. He should have died from Mihawks slashes Arlorng mentioned it in Arlong park. He should be dead now but he’s not he’s more than likely about to get a black blade with the reaper situation going on. You know why plot armor. Zoro has just as much as Luffy.
  2. I hear a ton of complaints about Luffys power ups being ass pulls. How Sway? For he trained for ACoA and in the process learned to flow his haki. Then he saw Kaido flow ACoC into his attacks and was able to mimic that because he specializes in CoC and just trained to get better at flowing his haki. Awakening is more than likely what’s happening now how is it an ass pull when we have never seen how fruits awaken and he has had his fruit for over half of his life? You don’t even have anything to compare it to in order to call it an ass pull. Law awakened his fruit between Dressrosa and Wano and Law didn’t do shit during that time. Don’t tell me he had awakening in Dresrossa if he did he needed it against Doffy. Let’s talk about Zoro he literally skipped CoC and strayed using ACoC out of no where. He has never consciously used CoC in the series but he just learns the advanced version mid fight? We can talk about ass pulls. How about Enma the only sword that we’ve seen in the series have an affect that forces the wielder to use more haki. That’s not an ass pull though? It’s hypocrisy at its finest. The fact is Enma forced Zoro to exert more haki than what he had causing him to learn how to use conquerors I get it but it makes a lot less sense than Luffy getting ACoC.
  3. Now Zoro fans are saying Luffy is becoming Joyboy and it’s not his own haki that he’s using. It’s no way that Luffy is going to turn into another character, he’s going to be a more powerful version of himself. He’s not using Joy boys haki. Zoro fans hated when people said Zoro was using Odens haki which was also bullshit.
  4. Luffys fruit changing doesn’t make sense. How doesn’t it? The government hid the name for a reason and we don’t know what it does yet so how can it already not make sense?

Zoro fans are forever screaming cope or copium yet they are coping hard right now. Also ZKK is still stupid and never made sense. Even if it did happen and Zoro killed Kaido after Luffy defeated him it’s not a feat.
I forgot to mention how do y’all hate that Luffy is destined to be Pirate King? Zoro is destined to be WSS and hasn’t fought a single strong swordsman.
 
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cleanmrpostman

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It's not hypocrisy to throw Luffyfans/Sanjifans/Zorohaters' arguments and critiques back in their faces. I mean they're the ones who created this stupid way of taking Zoro's accomplishments away from him, surely they should be doing the same with Luffy, no? Interesting that now asspulls/plotarmor are being used to benefit Luffy we should all be happy about it. Bad writing is bad writing, "It's a shonen" isn't an excuse.

ZKK has nothing to do with powerscaling or believing that Zoro is stronger than Luffy. It's about staying loyal to the buildup Oda started hundreds of chapters ago. Zoro killing Kaido doesn't have to be a 'feat'. We already know he can deal huge damage to Kaido. ZKK is about Zoro's ties to Ryuma/Wano as a whole.

ACoC, until further notice, isn't an asspull for Luffy or Zoro to use as we don't understand it fully. Same goes with df awakenings (which I don't believe Luffy is going through rn anyway). Point is that Luffy could have awakened as Joyboy/Nika anytime in the story, and Oda didn't need to use it as a way of giving Luffy a get-out-of-jail card.

DonWick said:
Zoro is destined to be WSS and hasn’t fought a single strong swordsman.
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Wow you really are just venting your complaints about Zoro atp it seems. There is one single swordsman Zoro needs to defeat to attain his title - the strongest swordsman. It's far more efficient, and easier for Oda to accomplish than having Zoro face dozens of nobodies in comparison to Mihawk.

Plot armor and (sometimes) asspulls accompanying it is inevitable in any battle narrative unless the MC is to die and change every arc. The point is how you deal with it, and that is still tbc. If Oda goes all Kishimoto with this and makes Luffy some omnipotent character with a god-level Joyboy power that allows him to suddenly defeat Kaido with no backlash/tribulations (see Zoro and Enma to find this kind of powerup), it takes all the worldbuilding we know and love, the idea that Luffy can't become PK without his whole crew, and turns it all to garbage - because everything truly important is shoved into one character.

This is of course just my opinion, but sudden unexplained awakenings after definitively losing don't help the 'fake tension' issues Wano was already stocked full of. Like almost every other issue in OP, "we'll have to just wait and see".
 
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DonWick

DonWick

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cleanmrpostman said:
It's not hypocrisy to use Luffyfans/Sanjifans/Zorohaters' arguments and critiques back in their faces. I mean they're the ones who created this stupid way of taking Zoro's accomplishments away from him, surely they should be doing the same with Luffy, no? Interesting that now asspulls/plotarmor are being used to benefit Luffy we should all be happy about it. Bad writing is bad writing, "It's a shonen" isn't an excuse.

ZKK has nothing to do with powerscaling or believing that Zoro is stronger than Luffy. It's about staying loyal to the buildup Oda started hundreds of chapters ago. Zoro killing Kaido doesn't have to be a 'feat'. We already know he can deal huge damage to Kaido. ZKK is about Zoro's ties to Ryuma/Wano as a whole.

ACoC, until further notice, isn't an asspull for Luffy or Zoro to use as we don't understand it fully. Same goes with df awakenings (which I don't believe Luffy is going through rn anyway). Point is that Luffy could have awakened as Joyboy/Nika anytime in the story, and Oda didn't need to use it as a way of giving Luffy a get-out-of-jail card.


Wow you really are just venting your complaints about Zoro atp it seems. There is one single swordsman Zoro needs to defeat to attain his title - the strongest swordsman. It's far more efficient, and easier for Oda to accomplish than having Zoro face dozens of nobodies in comparison to Mihawk.

Plot armor and (sometimes) asspulls accompanying it is inevitable in any battle narrative unless the MC is to die and change every arc. The point is how you deal with it, and that is still tbc. If Oda goes all Kishimoto with this and makes Luffy some omnipotent character with a god-level Joyboy power that allows him to suddenly defeat Kaido with no backlash/tribulations (see Zoro and Enma to find this kind of powerup), it takes all the worldbuilding we know and love, the idea that Luffy can't become PK without his whole crew, and turns it all to garbage - because everything truly important is shoved into one character.

This is of course just my opinion, but sudden unexplained awakenings after definitively losing don't help the 'fake tension' issues Wano was already stocked full of. Like almost every other issue in OP, "we'll have to just wait and see".
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Let’s be real here there has only been real tension in One Piece twice when Ace died and at Sabaody. Other than that it hasn’t been any and I’ve been reading One Piece for a long time.

Also no I’m not venting about Zoro I’m basing what I put in this post off of things people said I’m threads and the spoiler thread. If you’ve seen any of my post I’m not one to vent about Zoro he’s one of my favorite characters however, a lot of his fans are hypocrites.

Awakening his fruit isn’t a get out of jail free card if it works anything like haki. The fact that we don’t know how it works yet is the reason that we can’t determine if it’s bad writing or not as of yet. But let’s be real we knew from the moment that the series started that Luffy would be King of the Pirates. The story was written for it to happen. The moment Kaido said you couldn’t be some Joyboy either we knew Luffy would embody the current generations Joyboy. Everything was in our face the entire time. But this isn’t Attack on Titan Luffy is still going to be Luffy.
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kenedyfake said:
why didn't you write with the normal font? what an ugly thing to read.
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Typed it on my phones notepad it’s just easier.
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OEKaneki said:
OP might be my spirit animal. Didn’t think real Zoro fans existed on this site outside of myself, that it was just the delusional fanboys. Nice to see.
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:cheers:
 
cleanmrpostman

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DonWick said:
Let’s be real here there has only been real tension in One Piece twice when Ace died and at Sabaody. Other than that it hasn’t been any and I’ve been reading One Piece for a long time.

Also no I’m not venting about Zoro I’m basing what I put in this post off of things people said I’m threads and the spoiler thread. If you’ve seen any of my post I’m not one to vent about Zoro he’s one of my favorite characters however, a lot of his fans are hypocrites.

Awakening his fruit isn’t a get out of jail free card if it works anything like haki. The fact that we don’t know how it works yet is the reason that we can’t determine if it’s bad writing or not as of yet. But let’s be real we knew from the moment that the series started that Luffy would be King of the Pirates. The story was written for it to happen. The moment Kaido said you couldn’t be some Joyboy either we knew Luffy would embody the current generations Joyboy. Everything was in our face the entire time. But this isn’t Attack on Titan Luffy is still going to be Luffy.
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Again, throwing arguments back in others' faces when circumstances change isn't hypocrisy. There are hypocritical Zoro fans, but not for the reasons you're giving imo. I'd argue that ignoring aspects of the story that you used to take issue with just because they now benefit your agenda is pretty hypocritical, if we're using your logic... "Luffy's the MC, Zoro's not" isn't good enough - writing critique doesn't play favourites.

The issues with Zoro not fighting strong swordsmen is why I thought you were just venting generally. Had nothing to do with any issues regarding Luffy.
 
DonWick

DonWick

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cleanmrpostman said:
Again, throwing arguments back in others' faces when circumstances change isn't hypocrisy. I'd argue that ignoring aspects of the story that you used to take issue with just because they now benefit your agenda is pretty hypocritical. "Luffy's the MC, Zoro's not" isn't good enough - writing critique doesn't play favourites.

The issues with Zoro not fighting strong swordsmen is why I thought you were just venting generally. Had nothing to do with any issues regarding Luffy.
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Zoro fans considering Luffy getting ACoC an asspull is definitely hypocrisy if they feel like Zoro getting it isn’t. They are definitely ignoring aspects of the story when beneficial. The fact that Zoro got all of his bones broken and got up and attacked Kaido was okay but Luffy getting back up after being knocked unconscious was considered an asspull.
 
HA001

HA001

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DonWick said:
🤣😂 I always find it amusing when random folks on the internet decide to call you stupid and don’t know the first thing about you. If you can’t explain yourself in english just say that. I don’t know you the name calling doesn’t mean Jack shit to me.
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If you had any semblance of intellect you wouldn't need me to explain what I just said in English.
 
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