Chapter Discussion Copium within the Zorofandom. The Hypocricy!!

[cleanmrpostman]

Zoro fans considering Luffy getting ACoC an asspull is definitely hypocrisy if they feel like Zoro getting it isn’t. They are definitely ignoring aspects of the story when beneficial. The fact that Zoro got all of his bones broken and got up and attacked Kaido was okay but Luffy getting back up after being knocked unconscious was considered an asspul.

I agree that ACoC stuff is definitely hypocritical, and if you based your post on that I'd have agreed. But let's be honest, you'd need to find a pretty extremist Zoro fan if you want someone to claim that.

Yes Luffy getting up is way worse than Zoro getting a few more hits in before collapsing, considering we received the text box declaring Kaido's victory which typically indicates that the winner has truly won and the opponent is truly defeated - why do it if you don't mean it? We didn't need the box in Luffy's other losses.
Zoro had to pay for his broken bones, he was out of commission and would have remained that way had it not been for the mink medicine, which he will also have to pay for. Luffy should be even more unable to continue than Zoro was so do you think he'll get the repercussions that Zoro did/has? The idea you have that Luffy should get at least everything and anything that Zoro does is a poor way of thinking.

 

[DonWick]

Luffy's power ups are all asspulls. You don't need to be a zoro fan to acknowledge that. Its just the truth.

I don't understand how anyone can justify Luffy getting 3 power ups in 1 arc.

He trained and for one ACoA. Which helped him learn ACoC on top of the fact that haki blooms in extreme situations. Fighting Kaido is the most extreme situation Luffy has been in. We all knew Luffy was about to awaken without knowing how it usually happens how can you consider it an ass pull?

Are the power ups Zoro received an ass pull?
Or Sanjis?
Or Laws?

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I agree that ACoC stuff is definitely hypocritical, and if you based your post on that I'd have agreed. But let's be honest, you'd need to find a pretty extremist Zoro fan if you want someone to claim that.

Yes Luffy getting up is way worse than Zoro getting a few more hits in before collapsing, considering we received the text box declaring Kaido's victory which typically indicates that the winner has truly won and the opponent is truly defeated - why do it if you don't mean it? We didn't need the box in Luffy's other losses.
Zoro had to pay for his broken bones, he was out of commission and would have remained that way had it not been for the mink medicine, which he will also have to pay for. Luffy should be even more unable to continue than Zoro was so do you think he'll get the repercussions that Zoro did/has? The idea you have that Luffy should get at least everything and anything that Zoro does is a poor way of thinking.

I’m talking about Luffy getting up when Zoro was still on the rooftop not this chapter. What did I say that Luffy should get that Zoro has? I couldn’t care less about that. I like Luffy for Luffy not his power ups.

If all of your bones are broken you shouldn’t be able to move.
Also let me be clear I don’t think any of Zoros or Luffys power ups are ass pulls I’m only pointing it out because people are criticizing Luffy for the same stuff they glorify Zoro for.

None of the shit that Luffy (except the eating and being fine bullshit) or Zoro does is a problem with me I’m speaking directly to the fan base.

 

[yorosenpai]

Luffy is getting carried by asspull plot and PU all over One Piece but in this arc, Oda put the 5gears and we are entering realm that are surpassing fairy tail standard.

I cant care less about a so call MVP that loses 5 times, say 3 times that he will take care of the situation and doesnt need help just to be wrong. I cant care less about Oda nonsense PU just because is luffy.

I cant care less about all the fuking excuse that they will bring up to defended the new messiah


Look even if Zoro will be the new reincarnation of Ryuma, he will still have only 2 fuking PU in this arc and Oda is giving just 2 round to fulfill what he want from Zoro......Luffy well good fuking luck for all the incoming futures arc, this show will soon hit lowest we have never seeing before in One Piece

 

[style]

Some of the points that you've raised are fair and reasonable, and I agree that there are a lot of agenda based criticisms or just empty/tired tantrums.

A lot of Zoro fans saying Luffy should be dead him surviving is an ass pull and plot armor.
For one this is literally the dumbest stance that you can take when reading a Shonen manga. Oda isn’t going to kill is main and most popular character in a series that’s been running for over 20 years. If he does kill Luffy it won’t be until he’s accomplished his goals, that’s just common sense. How is Luffy surviving an ass pull? Kaido thinks he’s dead he literally just announced it. The last defeat he threw Luffy in the sea which typically should be death for a devil fruit user. But let’s talk about Zoro and times he should have been dead. The nothing happened moment was great but Zoro should have died even Kuma mentioned it. He should have died from Mihawks slashes Arlorng mentioned it in Arlong park. He should be dead now but he’s not he’s more than likely about to get a black blade with the reaper situation going on. You know why plot armor. Zoro has just as much as Luffy.

Clearly he can't die, but it also depends on how an author realizes it. Because if we look at Oda's writing in Luffy's case we are compelled to say that it was absolutely lazy and tired.
Luffy was literally drowning in the deep sea, but coincidentally he was lucky enough to have Law's crewmates there to save him.
All the example related to Zoro that you've posted are totally a different situation since that he didn't survive by sheer luck like Luffy. He survived because he was strong enough, both physically and mentally, to endure all the pain he took.

I hear a ton of complaints about Luffys power ups being ass pulls.
How Sway? For he trained for ACoA and in the process learned to flow his haki. Then he saw Kaido flow ACoC into his attacks and was able to mimic that because he specializes in CoC and just trained to get better at flowing his haki. Awakening is more than likely what’s happening now how is it an ass pull when we have never seen how fruits awaken and he has had his fruit for over half of his life? You don’t even have anything to compare it to in order to call it an ass pull. Law awakened his fruit between Dressrosa and Wano and Law didn’t do shit during that time. Don’t tell me he had awakening in Dresrossa if he did he needed it against Doffy. Let’s talk about Zoro he literally skipped CoC and strayed using ACoC out of no where. He has never consciously used CoC in the series but he just learns the advanced version mid fight? We can talk about ass pulls. How about Enma the only sword that we’ve seen in the series have an affect that forces the wielder to use more haki. That’s not an ass pull though? It’s hypocrisy at its finest. The fact is Enma forced Zoro to exert more haki than what he had causing him to learn how to use conquerors I get it but it makes a lot less sense than Luffy getting ACoC.

Here I somehow agree with you because I think that it was not an asspull Luffy learning Adv CoC, but I still have a big criticism on how Oda has written the situation because for the second arc in a row he let Luffy copy the ability of his opponent and that's kind of repetitive.
Not to mention that I am not a big fan of the "copy by watching it once" shonen trope.
It's much better if an author explains a powerup through emotional distress/rage/whatever make a character snap all of a sudden.

Now Zoro fans are saying Luffy is becoming Joyboy and it’s not his own haki that he’s using.
It’s no way that Luffy is going to turn into another character, he’s going to be a more powerful version of himself. He’s not using Joy boys haki. Zoro fans hated when people said Zoro was using Odens haki which was also bullshit.

This is what I was referring to when before I said that some of the criticism was only "empty tantrums". That's just for joking.
Obviously I don't think that Luffy is using JB's Haki, but honestly after all the mockeries that Zoro and his fans had to undergo can you really blame us?
It's not a point to be taken too much seriously

Luffys fruit changing doesn’t make sense.
How doesn’t it? The government hid the name for a reason and we don’t know what it does yet so how can it already not make sense?

This one is a serious matter though.
There are several issues with this that can potentially lead to plot holes, if they've not already did. Like why in the world the WG snapped only now?
Besides, let's say that it's fully confirmed that Joy Boy had the same DF of Luffy.
I don't know about everybody else, but to me this is a fanfic scenario literally.
But sadly enough Oda already went with this route in the Sabo-Ace and Foco Foco case, and like we say here in Italy:
"To make mistake is human, but to persist it is diabolical!"

 

[draganax]

how is the zorofandom hypocrites? if we don't like a character we make our opinion about it clear to all.

it's the anti-zorofandom that's full of hypocrites, they all lie about liking zoro when they're not, they'll be like "uh, zoro is cool, but his fandom are toxic" STFU. and whenever zoro does something great they downplay it, and when their favs does something great the immediately compare it to zoro and try to make zoro's feats look weak in the comparison.

1- i never hated AdvCoC, i always thought it's the greatest powerup is the series, when luffy got it it was after zoro got confirmed to be a conqueror, and it'll be very unwise to shit on a powerup that zoro will certainly get sooner or later, i even think the only thing that made luffy vs kaido worth watching is AdvCoC.
2- the AdvCoA powerup was good, luffy actually trained non-stop for days to acquire it, not like future sight that luffy mastered just because he closed his eyes and concentrated harder, also haki flow operates on the same concept behind zoro's steel-cutting technique, and again it'll be unwise to shit on it.
3- that's getting back at luffy fandom for saying enma has oden's haki, it's clearly not a serious hate statement.
4- that only got hinted at like 3 chapters ago, its poor writing, the WG sudden interest in the fruit makes no sense, we saw the five elders talk about luffy many times but they mainly complain about his D affiliations, never talked about his devil fruit.

 

[cleanmrpostman]

I’m talking about Luffy getting up when Zoro was still on the rooftop not this chapter. What did I say that Luffy should get that Zoro has? I couldn’t care less about that. I like Luffy for Luffy not his power ups.
base.

The idea that if Zoro can move after breaking bones, Luffy should be able to. But not only should he be able to get back up, he should be able to fight Kaido for much longer, and not need any lethal drug to make up for it. Zoro got a molehill version of it, so Luffy's getting a grander scale of it is perfectly justified.

This is why Luffy/Zoro fans are so competitive in these areas. You'd never have Luffy stepping on Sanji's toes in terms of cooking, or Nami's in terms of navigating. Zoro's whole thing is combat (or cutting), but Luffy will always get the better combat feat so who cares? Even when it comes to the one legendary task of killing the dragon to save the flower capital which atp shouldn't really be possible without a sword, you still can't accept that Zoro could be the one to do it, because "Luffy is stronger". Strength is irrelevant - Luffy may be stronger, but he isn't a swordsman. Here in Wano we're faced with something that Zoro alone as a swordsman can do, he should for once have his own unique importance to the story.

 

[DonWick]

Luffy is getting carried by asspull plot and PU all over One Piece but in this arc, Oda put the 5gears and we are entering realm that are surpassing fairy tail standard.

I cant care less about a so call MVP that loses 5 times, say 3 times that he will take care of the situation and doesnt need help just to be wrong. I cant care less about Oda nonsense PU just because is luffy.

I cant care less about all the fuking excuse that they will bring up to defended the new messiah


Look even if Zoro will be the new reincarnation of Ryuma, he will still have only 2 fuking PU in this arc and Oda is giving just 2 round to fulfill what he want from Zoro......Luffy well good fuking luck for all the incoming futures arc, this show will soon hit lowest we have never seeing before in One Piece

So it’s a one power up difference that’s the issue for you? So if this grim reaper thing that Zoro is dealing with is him getting a black blade like I think it is will it be an issue?

 

[BakiDou]

Zolo is just a shitty character, its time for folks to wake up and move on.

 

[DonWick]

The idea that if Zoro can move after breaking bones, Luffy should be able to. But not only should he be able to get back up, he should be able to fight Kaido for much longer, and not need any lethal drug to make up for it. Zoro got a molehill version of it, so Luffy's getting a grander scale of it is perfectly justified.

This is why Luffy/Zoro fans are so competitive in these areas. You'd never have Luffy stepping on Sanji's toes in terms of cooking, or Nami's in terms of navigating. Zoro's whole thing is combat (or cutting), but Luffy will always get the better combat feat so who cares? Even when it comes to the one legendary task of killing the dragon to save the flower capital which atp shouldn't really be possible without a sword, you still can't accept that Zoro could be the one to do it, because "Luffy is stronger". Strength is irrelevant - Luffy may be stronger, but he isn't a swordsman. Here in Wano we're faced with something that Zoro alone as a swordsman can do, he should for once have his own unique importance to the story.

Your misunderstanding what I’m saying completely. Luffys bones weren’t broken at all Zoros were. Luffy was knocked unconscious and got back up to fight. That happens in real life all the time. Think of boxing you can get knocked out and get up in a few seconds or after the fight. You can’t move with all of your bones broken it literally makes no sense. So if anything makes sines it’s Luffy getting back up.

But that’s not really my point. The point that I’m trying to make is that when Kaido knocks Luffy and he’s actually out for a while it’s a problem.
But when another character does some shit that makes absolutely no since it’s fine because it makes that character look good. I’m using that moment with Zoro because it came from a lot of his fans.

Now I don’t have a problem with Luffy or Zoro getting up I understand it’s an anime. But you can’t pick and choose what an ass pull.

For example I love Luffy but I know him beating Crocodile with the blood on his hands was complete bullshit and I’m willing to admit to any flaw that Luffy has. But when a fandom points out issues in one character but loves another character who has similar issues or worse but conveniently never talk about it that’s bullshit.

 

[Ryuarashi]

Don't think too much about it. Zoro cult fans called Luffy getting AdvCoC an asspull

Then it turns out Zoro get AdvCoC even without basic control of his CoC but they don't consider that an asspull. Just ignore them lol

 

[[No Name]]

Someone had to Say It :cheers:

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Luffy's power ups are all asspulls. You don't need to be a zoro fan to acknowledge that. Its just the truth.

I don't understand how anyone can justify Luffy getting 3 power ups in 1 arc.

It's normal. If other characters has his PU then Luffy has to have his own unique Power. MC for a reason.

 

[God D usopp]

Bruh why there is always someone crying about zorofans and ZKK everyday lol they really are rent free

 

[DonWick]

Some of the points that you've raised are fair and reasonable, and I agree that there are a lot of agenda based criticisms or just empty/tired tantrums.


Clearly he can't die, but it also depends on how an author realizes it. Because if we look at Oda's writing in Luffy's case we are compelled to say that it was absolutely lazy and tired.
Luffy was literally drowning in the deep sea, but coincidentally he was lucky enough to have Law's crewmates there to save him.
All the example related to Zoro that you've posted are totally a different situation since that he didn't survive by sheer luck like Luffy. He survived because he was strong enough, both physically and mentally, to endure all the pain he took.



Here I somehow agree with you because I think that it was not an asspull Luffy learning Adv CoC, but I still have a big criticism on how Oda has written the situation because for the second arc in a row he let Luffy copy the ability of his opponent and that's kind of repetitive.
Not to mention that I am not a big fan of the "copy by watching it once" shonen trope.
It's much better if an author explains a powerup through emotional distress/rage/whatever make a character snap all of a sudden.


This is what I was referring to when before I said that some of the criticism was only "empty tantrums". That's just for joking.
Obviously I don't think that Luffy is using JB's Haki, but honestly after all the mockeries that Zoro and his fans had to undergo can you really blame us?
It's not a point to be taken too much seriously


This one is a serious matter though.
There are several issues with this that can potentially lead to plot holes, if they've not already did. Like why in the world the WG snapped only now?
Besides, let's say that it's fully confirmed that Joy Boy had the same DF of Luffy.
I don't know about everybody else, but to me this is a fanfic scenario literally.
But sadly enough Oda already went with this route in the Sabo-Ace and Foco Foco case, and like we say here in Italy:
"To make mistake is human, but to persist it is diabolical!"

Some of the points that you've raised are fair and reasonable, and I agree that there are a lot of agenda based criticisms or just empty/tired tantrums.


Clearly he can't die, but it also depends on how an author realizes it. Because if we look at Oda's writing in Luffy's case we are compelled to say that it was absolutely lazy and tired.
Luffy was literally drowning in the deep sea, but coincidentally he was lucky enough to have Law's crewmates there to save him.
All the example related to Zoro that you've posted are totally a different situation since that he didn't survive by sheer luck like Luffy. He survived because he was strong enough, both physically and mentally, to endure all the pain he took.



Here I somehow agree with you because I think that it was not an asspull Luffy learning Adv CoC, but I still have a big criticism on how Oda has written the situation because for the second arc in a row he let Luffy copy the ability of his opponent and that's kind of repetitive.
Not to mention that I am not a big fan of the "copy by watching it once" shonen trope.
It's much better if an author explains a powerup through emotional distress/rage/whatever make a character snap all of a sudden.


This is what I was referring to when before I said that some of the criticism was only "empty tantrums". That's just for joking.
Obviously I don't think that Luffy is using JB's Haki, but honestly after all the mockeries that Zoro and his fans had to undergo can you really blame us?
It's not a point to be taken too much seriously


This one is a serious matter though.
There are several issues with this that can potentially lead to plot holes, if they've not already did. Like why in the world the WG snapped only now?
Besides, let's say that it's fully confirmed that Joy Boy had the same DF of Luffy.
I don't know about everybody else, but to me this is a fanfic scenario literally.
But sadly enough Oda already went with this route in the Sabo-Ace and Foco Foco case, and like we say here in Italy:
"To make mistake is human, but to persist it is diabolical!"

Some of the points that you've raised are fair and reasonable, and I agree that there are a lot of agenda based criticisms or just empty/tired tantrums.


Clearly he can't die, but it also depends on how an author realizes it. Because if we look at Oda's writing in Luffy's case we are compelled to say that it was absolutely lazy and tired.
Luffy was literally drowning in the deep sea, but coincidentally he was lucky enough to have Law's crewmates there to save him.
All the example related to Zoro that you've posted are totally a different situation since that he didn't survive by sheer luck like Luffy. He survived because he was strong enough, both physically and mentally, to endure all the pain he took.



Here I somehow agree with you because I think that it was not an asspull Luffy learning Adv CoC, but I still have a big criticism on how Oda has written the situation because for the second arc in a row he let Luffy copy the ability of his opponent and that's kind of repetitive.
Not to mention that I am not a big fan of the "copy by watching it once" shonen trope.
It's much better if an author explains a powerup through emotional distress/rage/whatever make a character snap all of a sudden.


This is what I was referring to when before I said that some of the criticism was only "empty tantrums". That's just for joking.
Obviously I don't think that Luffy is using JB's Haki, but honestly after all the mockeries that Zoro and his fans had to undergo can you really blame us?
It's not a point to be taken too much seriously


This one is a serious matter though.
There are several issues with this that can potentially lead to plot holes, if they've not already did. Like why in the world the WG snapped only now?
Besides, let's say that it's fully confirmed that Joy Boy had the same DF of Luffy.
I don't know about everybody else, but to me this is a fanfic scenario literally.
But sadly enough Oda already went with this route in the Sabo-Ace and Foco Foco case, and like we say here in Italy:
"To make mistake is human, but to persist it is diabolical!"

I do agree that there is potential for Luffys fruit to be a big ass plot hole. But we haven’t even been given an explanation yet and people are already raging. We can say it’s bad writing that Laws crew was there to save Luffy but we know the strawhats will always have conveniences. Thats always been he issue in One Piece though.The minks magic medicine is convenient and we know there isn’t any real consequence to it Zoro will be fine. Sanjis RS unlocking his Germa genes was convenient. Sabo having amnesia was convenient. That’s just One Piece and some of it is bad writing.

I’m not really throwing a tantrum about the Joyboy thing because I don’t believe Zoro was using Odens haki and I don’t believe Luffy is using Joyboys. I just didn’t think the fandom would try to point that out as an ass pull if they didn’t believe the Zoro Oden narrative.

Im not really doing this to complain about Zoro just to point out the hypocrisy. I love Zoro but some of the fans are very toxic.

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how is the zorofandom hypocrites? if we don't like a character we make our opinion about it clear to all.

it's the anti-zorofandom that's full of hypocrites, they all lie about liking zoro when they're not, they'll be like "uh, zoro is cool, but his fandom are toxic" STFU. and whenever zoro does something great they downplay it, and when their favs does something great the immediately compare it to zoro and try to make zoro's feats look weak in the comparison.

1- i never hated AdvCoC, i always thought it's the greatest powerup is the series, when luffy got it it was after zoro got confirmed to be a conqueror, and it'll be very unwise to shit on a powerup that zoro will certainly get sooner or later, i even think the only thing that made luffy vs kaido worth watching is AdvCoC.
2- the AdvCoA powerup was good, luffy actually trained non-stop for days to acquire it, not like future sight that luffy mastered just because he closed his eyes and concentrated harder, also haki flow operates on the same concept behind zoro's steel-cutting technique, and again it'll be unwise to shit on it.
3- that's getting back at luffy fandom for saying enma has oden's haki, it's clearly not a serious hate statement.
4- that only got hinted at like 3 chapters ago, its poor writing, the WG sudden interest in the fruit makes no sense, we saw the five elders talk about luffy many times but they mainly complain about his D affiliations, never talked about his devil fruit.

I don’t disagree with much of what you said. If your familiar with anything I post I defend Zoro a lot. I see a lot of people try to downplay Zoro to hype their character. Trust I’m not one of them.

I rarely see Luffy Zoro debates I’m a Luffy fan but I don’t think I’m a toxic one. Now the WG not killing Luffy earlier or panicking over his fruit while knowing his lineage I will give you is bullshit and bad writing.

I don’t mind you having an opinion regarding what you like I mind the people who are hypocrites and ignore something for the benefit of one character yet bashes another one for it. You don’t seem to fit the description of what I’m talking about.

 

[cleanmrpostman]

But when a fandom points out issues in one character but loves another character who has similar issues or worse but conveniently never talk about it that’s bullshit.

Then why are we even talking about this? I'm sure you're aware that this behaviour is found across the OP fandom, why the pissing and moaning for this specific situation? Cherry-picking will never end, agendas will never end, it's just something you kind of have to accept, picking the Zoro fandom out of the rest as the guilty ones is, ironically, very hypocritical. No one in the one piece community is innocent.

 

[style]

I do agree that there is potential for Luffys fruit to be a big ass plot hole. But we haven’t even been given an explanation yet and people are already raging. We can say it’s bad writing that Laws crew was there to save Luffy but we know the strawhats will always have conveniences. Thats always been he issue in One Piece though.The minks magic medicine is convenient and we know there isn’t any real consequence to it Zoro will be fine. Sanjis RS unlocking his Germa genes was convenient. Sabo having amnesia was convenient. That’s just One Piece and some of it is bad writing.

I’m not really throwing a tantrum about the Joyboy thing because I don’t believe Zoro was using Odens haki and I don’t believe Luffy is using Joyboys. I just didn’t think the fandom would try to point that out as an ass pull if they didn’t believe the Zoro Oden narrative.

Im not really doing this to complain about Zoro just to point out the hypocrisy. I love Zoro but some of the fans are very toxic.

Yes waiting is always the best option, I was also saying this about Pantheos' bet
But really, God forbid us to watch JB having the Gomu Gomu no Mi


"I’m not really throwing a tantrum about the Joyboy thing because I don’t believe Zoro was using Odens haki and I don’t believe Luffy is using Joyboys. I just didn’t think the fandom would try to point that out as an ass pull if they didn’t believe the Zoro Oden narrative."

I totally agree, but you have to understand that this part is pure trolling, and has nothing to do with Luffy himself it's rather than us Zorofans having our comeback after all these times Luffy and Sanji fans unfairly mocked Zoro about Enma

"Im not really doing this to complain about Zoro just to point out the hypocrisy. I love Zoro but some of the fans are very toxic."
I agree again with you, but it goes both ways actually.
There are also a lot of Zoro toxic haters and we fans can't even understand whether they're Luffy fans or Sanji fans so we have to "fight" against both fanbases.
If it was for me Luffy and Zoro fans should go hand in a hand

 

[DonWick]

Then why are we even talking about this? I'm sure you're aware that this behaviour is found across the OP fandom, why the pissing and moaning for this specific situation? Cherry-picking will never end, agendas will never end, it's just something you kind of have to accept, picking the Zoro fandom out of the rest as the guilty ones is, ironically, very hypocritical. No one in the one piece community is innocent.

I wouldn’t say I’m hypocritical have you seen my threads on Sanji fans. I pick on every fandom equally. I’m not a fan of agenda based discussions. I’m not just whining this is the norm for me usually it’s the Sanji fandom I debate for being delusional belittle Zoros accomplishments to hype Sanji. I just call it how I see it. I’d go at the Luffy fandom if they were on some bullshit to.

 

[Ryuarashi]

Bruh why there is always someone crying about zorofans and ZKK everyday lol they really are rent free

It happens, in ZKK Prime era there were new ZKK threads posted almost everyday, "ZKK is Evitable" literally spamming the forum.

This is just he side effect

 

[DonWick]

Yes waiting is always the best option, I was also saying this about Pantheos' bet
But really, God forbid us to watch JB having the Gomu Gomu no Mi


"I’m not really throwing a tantrum about the Joyboy thing because I don’t believe Zoro was using Odens haki and I don’t believe Luffy is using Joyboys. I just didn’t think the fandom would try to point that out as an ass pull if they didn’t believe the Zoro Oden narrative."

I totally agree, but you have to understand that this part is pure trolling, and has nothing to do with Luffy himself it's rather than us Zorofans having our comeback after all these times Luffy and Sanji fans unfairly mocked Zoro about Enma

"Im not really doing this to complain about Zoro just to point out the hypocrisy. I love Zoro but some of the fans are very toxic."
I agree again with you, but it goes both ways actually.
There are also a lot of Zoro toxic haters and we fans can't even understand whether they're Luffy fans or Sanji fans so we have to "fight" against both fanbases.
If it was for me Luffy and Zoro fans should go hand in a hand

I haven’t been on the forum long enough to run into the toxic Luffy fans. One person called me one. But I’ve only been on the forum a year I think and the main topics are typically Zoro or Sanji.

 

[bennbeckman]

Every fandom is hypocritical... this is nothing new

 

[cleanmrpostman]

I wouldn’t say I’m hypocritical have you seen my threads on Sanji fans. I pick on every fandom equally. I’m not a fan of agenda based discussions. I’m not just whining this is the norm for me usually it’s the Sanji fandom I debate for being delusional belittle Zoros accomplishments to hype Sanji. I just call it how I see it. I’d go at the Luffy fandom if they were on some bullshit to.

I don't doubt it. I just mean, why not attack hypocrisy all at once? If you call it how you see it, you'd simply list glaring cases of hypocrisy in Wano. Not everyone's going to have read every post you've made so when you make a post exclusively aimed at the Zoro fandom it will come off as agenda-based, especially when you exclusively defend Luffy in the process.