After reading the answers, I think that Lucci and this other guy being 'rivals' with the real boss above them will be the best way this goes out. I expect the masked guy to be the #2 and Lucci to be the #3 in CP0 because that guy seems more experienced plus he's very mysterious because of that scarf. Same as I expect one more secret person to be there in the Revos between Sabo and Dragon. These 2 definitely seemed to be rivals or something similar based on their conversation this chapter.
Please show proof that this is the case together with the source. Saying it was stated in a magazine is not enough.
I vaguely remember the Cp9 members being covered in a magazine not too long ago so if what u are saying about a reference to a commander in chief is true, the likelihood that it was actually a reference to his position in Cp9 is much higher.
After reading the answers, I think that Lucci and this other guy being 'rivals' with the real boss above them will be the best way this goes out. I expect the masked guy to be the #2 and Lucci to be the #3 in CP0 because that guy seems more experienced plus he's very mysterious because of that scarf. Same as I expect one more secret person to be there in the Revos between Sabo and Dragon. These 2 definitely seemed to be rivals or something similar based on their conversation this chapter.
Please show proof that this is the case together with the source. Saying it was stated in a magazine is not enough.
I vaguely remember the Cp9 members being covered in a magazine not too long ago so if what u are saying about a reference to a commander in chief is true, the likelihood that it was actually a reference to his position in Cp9 is much higher.
Film Gold Official Guidebook "Backstage Pass"
Lucci is revealed to be Chief Commander of CP-0
It suggests He is like Chief of Staff (Such as Sabo in Revos) or Commander in Chief (Such as Kong in World Government)
Meaning He is like No. 2 there
It's also Unknown if Leader of CP-0 is their Strongest Member or someone like Spandam/Spandine
So we could say Lucci is at least Top 3 in CP-0 in both Power & Authority
This is why i said Masked Guy is his Equal at best
I just think CP0 is divided in to regular agents and superior agents, Rob Lucci and the Bowler guy are superior agents.
I think CP0 will have at the very least 19 members, they need at least 1 agent per Celestial Dragon family, and if we include the leader it will be 20 members of CP0. So in my opinion:
1 - Unknown Leader
3 or 4 - Superior agents (Lucci, Bowler guy, ...)
16 or 15 - Regular Agents (Stussy, Kaku, Spandam, maybe the other 5 former CP9 members,...)
Reasons why the Bowler Guy might be the leader:
1.) He is in Wano directly influencing and overseeing the entire war. This war would greatly impact the story later on. The WG probably dispatched the strongest person there in order to get the job done. They wouldn't send a weaker person there because the risk is too high.
2.) Was seen upset when Lucci called him. Most subordinates would get worried when their superiors are on the phone. Also, he asked why Lucci called him in the first place.
Reasons why Lucci might be the leader:
1.) Was seen relaying orders from above to the Bowler Guy.
2.) Has knowledge of the ships coming to Wano. If the Bowler Guy is the leader then how come he wasn't given this intel?
3.) Lucci said, "I will wait for future for future reports" as if he is expecting every bit of info from the Bowler Guy.
4.) Has given another order in which Robin is to be captured. The Bowler Guy then said, "Understood" as if he was a subordinate of some kind.
Based on this interaction it would seem as though Lucci is above the Bowler Guy. However, I sincerely hope that isn't the case. It would be such bullshit if Lucci manages to become the strongest CP0 after getting defeated by Luffy. It is shit writing if this happens. There will be almost zero excitement for the CP0 because now we know what to expect from the strongest.
They also have different medals. Is there a vivre card info about these medals?
Off topic theory: The Bowler Hat Guy/ Mr. Go is probably manipulating the other two agents via mind control similar to what Pain from Naruto is capable of. Every little Go pieces/units are under his "control".
Chapter starts in the “guest room” of Onigashima's castle. There we see that the CP0 members have received a call by Den Den Mushi from a certain person. CP0's reports the appearance of another dragon and assumes that it must be related with the fruit that Vegapunk created.
CP0's Bowler Guy: "“Straw Hat Luffy” was with that dragon
so there is no doubt that this new dragon is Kaidou's enemy."
Mysterious character: "Never mind, both sides are pirates anyway."
CP0's Bowler Guy gets a little upset.
CP0's Bowler Guy: "Why did you call for?"
Mysterious character: "We have new orders from “above”.
In the unlikely case that Kaidou loses this war...
the government will move in and will turn Wanokuni into a country under the direct control of the World Government!!
Some ships are heading to Wanokuni... How is the chance of Kaidou's losing?"
As the mysterious character says this, we see that several ships are in the sea near to Wanokuni (where the rocks and giant carps are). Although we cannot see the front of the ships, they don't look like Marine ships (probably all are ships sent by the World Government).
Then we see the CP0's board. The situation has gone from 30,000 members on Kaidou's side Vs. 5,400 members on samurai's side to 12,000 members on Kaidou's side Vs. 8,000 members on samurai's side.
CP0's Bowler Guy: "This battle has turned into something more interesting than I expected.
But I still can't imagine Kaidou losing...!!"
Mysterious character: "Good.
I will wait for future reports...
There is another order."
We finally discover who is the mysterious person in the other side of the line. He is Rob Lucci, he's in a room with Kaku and Stussy (Kaku is sleeping sitting on a chair). Lucci keeps talking.
Rob Lucci: "The crew member of the Straw Hat Pirates...
Nico Robin!!
She must be caught!!!
It doesn't matter what the result of the battle is.
The existence of that woman will be the “key” for the pirates."
As Lucci says this we see that Robin has already woken up and is fighting alongside Brook as they run through Onigashima's castle.
How can Lucci be a leader of a squad that was above them and they just barely picked him up? Dude lost to pre-ts Luffy while CP0 directly opposes Revos.
The masked guy is the leader or there is someone above them who directly opposes Dragon as if we speak for pure 1 vs 1 fight.
The masked guy lied to the entire world in Dressrosa covering Doffy a CD, idk why he would be underwhelming when he hasn't done anything yet. It's the other way around it would be lame if Lucci is the leader of the CP0, would understand if they have divisions kinda like yonko crews and they have captains of these divisions like Lucci and that masked guy.
New characters bring always something else to the table, it's fresh.
Just the idea that Luffy defeated a villain now being the strongest of CP0, unless that's ALL they have to offer then yeah I can see him being the leader, which would be mid but oh well.
Think none of them is the leader, they are just agents. But Lucci being over the bowler hat guy is strange, he lost to Luffy, while the bowler guy was already in CP0 giving the order to kill Moria.
If Lucci is the leader, the CP0 is a joke strong wise, they need to have stronger people.
U guys think Lucci is in the ships or is calling from Mariejoa????
I asked this question earlier and @PuckTheGreat gave me a good response:
I asked:
Who is really the leader of the CP0 based off of their tone and dialogue between the bowler hat guy and Lucci? Is it possible to tell based off their interactions this chapter?
By looking at it on the surface you can't really tell from that short dialogue but, if we go into the semantics of it then the dude in the mask is above Lucci and I base this off two tings:
1.) The tone he takes with Lucci. He snaps at him at some point in the dialogue
2.) He uses "Ryokai" with him, which is typically used:
from someone that is in a superior position to someone in an inferior position (it's actually very rude to say this to someone that is older than u or ur superior)
with people that are close (typically around the same age group)
From the looks of it, it doesn't seems as though the masked dude and Lucci are buddies, neither do they appear to be in the same age group so I don't think Lucci qualifies under no 2.
@Salah WG
Just looked it up and there are several sources that do state Lucci as the "総監" (Soukan) which is basically the leader of Cp0 using the source you specified in your post 🙏🏿. Apparently it was stated in his character sheet for the movie gold.
So if we take that info as canon then yeah he is the leader of Cp0. However, it is also important to note that he has not been referred to as such in the manga even with him having an intro box last chapter so I don't know how believable the info from the gold book is particularly when you consider that Drake was introduced as the Captain of sword when it was revealed that he is part of that organization so if Oda has already declared him as the leader of Cp0 it is very odd that he hasn't been referenced with that title in the manga but well this just my two cents on it. Take it as you will
Just looked it up and there are several sources that do state Lucci as the "総監" (Soukan) which is basically the leader of Cp0 using the source you specified in your post 🙏🏿. Apparently it was stated in his character sheet for the movie gold.
So if we take that info as canon then yeah he is the leader of Cp0. However, it is also important to note that he has not been referred to as such in the manga even with him having an intro box last chapter so I don't know how believable the info from the gold book is particularly when you consider that Drake was introduced as the Captain of sword when it was revealed that he is part of that organization so if Oda has already declared him as the leader of Cp0 it is very odd that he hasn't been referenced with that title in the manga but well this just my two cents on it. Take it as you will
I think it's safe to say Lucci is at least Top 3 in CP-0 Authority wise, hope Oda will clear this out in Manga or SBS
It should also be noted that Volume 777 states Spandam is trying to cure his Father so that his Political Power gets restored & he can Surpass Lucci again. In my opinion, this suggests that Lucci is indeed Chief Commander/Leader of CP-0 and at worst No. 2 under someone like Spandine
So far, we've seen him Lead CP-0 Group Three Times, in Film Gold, during Levely & in Dressrosa
And now, it's him who's leading WG Army to capture Wano
He definitely looks like Leader imo
Lucci is not the leader. His intro box would've definitely stated that if it was the case. Moreover, the masked guy wouldn't have 'hmphed' him or ask him why did he call if he was his leader. Felt more like rivals than leaders. They also seem to have their own separate groups.
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