Powers & Abilities Crews dynamic and why "YC1" Level doesn't exist

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There's nothing to even suggest that Queen is considerably stronger than Jack. The name and relationship with the others can easily be based on his age, but he's explicitly referred to as a right hand man and has proven it. His bounty is very close despite his younger age also... the only reason they might stay above him in a dog eat dog crew is due to a lack of certainty in beating them.
 
#42
There's nothing to even suggest that Queen is considerably stronger than Jack. The name and relationship with the others can easily be based on his age, but he's explicitly referred to as a right hand man and has proven it. His bounty is very close despite his younger age also... the only reason they might stay above him in a dog eat dog crew is due to a lack of certainty in beating them.
That was just a bad translation, Jack is obviously the furthest thing from a Right Hand Man among the All Stars.

His bounty is more than 300 million lower than Queens. There's a more significant bounty difference between Queen and Jack than there is between Smoothie and Perospero who is not even a Sweet Commander.

The bounty difference between Queen and Jack is almost Five Times higher than the difference between Smoothie and Cracker.

King and Queen are at every step separated from Jack.

Jack is literally used as a hype tool for their introduction.

King and Queen are separated from Jack and made to guard the execution platform.

King and Queen are separated from Jack and made to guard the routes to the top.

King and Queen receive hype from Zoro who perceives them as difficult opponents to even attempt to run around on the way to the roof.

Maybe Jack has more room to grow, but if we're talking about the present he is presented as their inferior by no small margin.
 
#43
Lol, bounty math using other crews. What I was saying is that considering Jack's young age, the bounties aren't far off at all. And I don't remember how "right hand" was a bad translation but I don't have the raw Japanese.

The most pertinent showings we have is that two Sulongs (who can't beat Kaido at all) can beat Jack where one Marco can headlock his two senpai at once. And of course, those don't correlate in any way
 

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#47
finally, there are yc1 like zoro or wb are stronger than his captain and another yc1 like lata or ling than they are joke
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agreed , Zoro Beckman Newgate Rayleigh are all comparable to their captains Luffy , Shanks , Xebec and Roger and if they had their own crews (we've seen it with WB) they would be as notorious


If I had to bet I wouldn't be shocked at all if Yasopp and Lucky Roo have both higher bounty than Blackbeard as we haven't seen anyone in the 3 Billions yet and they would both be stronger than All the Sweet Commanders and the Calamities


Any Emperor by far stronger than any FM/YC1

So you think Xebec was far stronger than Whitebeard ? then how could Roger rival both Xebec and Whitebeard ? ... you also think Roger is far stronger than Rayleigh even tho Rayleigh is as notorious and Garp calls him a legend


And most importantly you think that Luffy is far stronger than Zoro , smth that's far from the truth


YC1 should be used to designate a floor, not a ceiling. It just means > YC2, but we don't quite know where the upper bound ends.

It's like VA. VA > Rear Admirals, but VAs vary greatly in power.

YC1/2/3 are all fanmade is my point , there's nothing that prevents it from being for example Beckman > Roo > Yasopp > Marco > Vista > Katakuri > Jozu > King > Queen > Smoothie > Jack > Cracker > etc ...

Like yeah inside the same crew you could probably figure out who's the strongest to the 2nd to the 3rd but when you compare crews to each other there's nothing that prevents all Shanks' fighters from being superior to all the others
 
#48
So you think Xebec was far stronger than Whitebeard ? then how could Roger rival both Xebec and Whitebeard ? ... you also think Roger is far stronger than Rayleigh even tho Rayleigh is as notorious and Garp calls him a legend


And most importantly you think that Luffy is far stronger than Zoro , smth that's far from the truth
The Rocks were the strongest pirate's crew. For me, they are not typical Yonko's crew. It's a more likely alliance of the strongest pirates that is different from Yonko. That is why I don't think Xebec was far stronger than Whitebeard. Speaking about Zoro and Luffy in the text you replied I marked him as an exception. At first, he is the only subordinate who has such great ambitions so far. The second is that author don't mind to put Luffy and Zoro fighting together. It's type of portrayal that says to me that characters are close in strength. We have never seen this from any Yonko and his subordinates. I mean fighting shoulder to shoulder against the same enemy.
 
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agreed , Zoro Beckman Newgate Rayleigh are all comparable to their captains Luffy , Shanks , Xebec and Roger and if they had their own crews (we've seen it with WB) they would be as notorious


If I had to bet I wouldn't be shocked at all if Yasopp and Lucky Roo have both higher bounty than Blackbeard as we haven't seen anyone in the 3 Billions yet and they would both be stronger than All the Sweet Commanders and the Calamities





So you think Xebec was far stronger than Whitebeard ? then how could Roger rival both Xebec and Whitebeard ? ... you also think Roger is far stronger than Rayleigh even tho Rayleigh is as notorious and Garp calls him a legend


And most importantly you think that Luffy is far stronger than Zoro , smth that's far from the truth





YC1/2/3 are all fanmade is my point , there's nothing that prevents it from being for example Beckman > Roo > Yasopp > Marco > Vista > Katakuri > Jozu > King > Queen > Smoothie > Jack > Cracker > etc ...

Like yeah inside the same crew you could probably figure out who's the strongest to the 2nd to the 3rd but when you compare crews to each other there's nothing that prevents all Shanks' fighters from being superior to all the others
:okay:nothing indicates RHP commanders > SCs

Among the Rocks trio:
SCs > WB top 3 >~ Calamities. BMP fought WBP and kata remained undefeated. Calamities see to be slightly below WB top 3.
WB~Kaido>=Linlin . The captains are close to each other.
 
#51
The Rocks were the strongest pirate's crew. For me, they are not typical Yonko's crew. It's a more likely alliance of the strongest pirates that is different from Yonko. That is why I don't think Xebec was far stronger than Whitebeard. Speaking about Zoro and Luffy in the text you replied I marked him as an exception. At first, he is the only subordinate who has such great ambitions so far. The second is that author don't mind to put Luffy and Zoro fighting together. It's type of portrayal that says to me that characters are close in strength. We have never seen this from any Yonko and his subordinates. I mean fighting shoulder to shoulder against the same enemy.

did you read what i just wrote or any of this thread , I made it close distinction to say that not every Yonko crew is equal ... you can't say Xebec and Newgate were the exception when later Roger/Rayleigh , Shanks/Beckman and Luffy/Zoro all mimic the same dynamic


that's not the exception at that point


nothing indicates RHP commanders > SCs

Literally in the most famous chapter of the series each Emperor gets introduced by the reasons they got their spot and why the hype around them ... And the reason for Shanks is that he has widely renowned subordinates with high average bounty AND THE BEST BALANCE OF ANY CREW aka you won't have the gap that's so apparent between Big Mom and Katakuri or Kaido and King




 
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