General & Others Criticism or just Complaining

#1
One Piece especially for the Wano arc has gotten more criticism and while criticism is all fine, some of these so called criticism don't feel like actual criticism and instead are just people who are complaining.

So what do you think draws the line between actual criticism and people who are just simply bitching and complaining?
 
#2
If it's something that doesn't meet the standards of what define One Piece in all its forms & content then it's a Criticism
Other than that it's Bitching & Complaining
 
#4
Unpopular opinion: given that Oda himself overhyped, overpromised and underdelivered on Wano, the so-called bitching and complaining is completely justified. Wano is basically Cyberpunk 2077, a great concept much anticipated by the fan base and hyped to the moon by executives but delivering a subpar product and shitting the bed in the execution of almost everything it set out to do.
 

Finalbeta

Hero of Albion
#5
One Piece especially for the Wano arc has gotten more criticism and while criticism is all fine, some of these so called criticism don't feel like actual criticism and instead are just people who are complaining.

So what do you think draws the line between actual criticism and people who are just simply bitching and complaining?
Literally how logical the criticism is depending on case by case.
 
#6
Unpopular opinion: given that Oda himself overhyped, overpromised and underdelivered on Wano, the so-called bitching and complaining is completely justified. Wano is basically Cyberpunk 2077, a great concept much anticipated by the fan base and hyped to the moon by executives but delivering a subpar product and shitting the bed in the execution of almost everything it set out to do.
Maybe if the executives didnt hype shit to the moon, some of the fanbase would feel less underwhelmed. Most of post timeskip is typical One Piece shenanigans. Only difference is, we barely have interactions between the SHs
 

Jew D. Boy

I Can Go Lower
#8
I’ll say what I normally do when this topic arises - art is completely subjective, and any criticism of a certain work, especially one as fleshed out and massive as Oda’s, is valid to some extent. Complaints imply whining for the sake of whining, I think we all have legitimate gripes about this series...whether or not we agree with them is up to us, but I don’t think misconstruing criticism as complaining is a fair assessment.

Now, there are some folks here who clearly enjoy saying stupid shit and getting others worked up, THAT’S the kind of intolerable garbage I can’t stand :kriwhat:
 
#9
I like wano but i don't blame people for complaining when you dont see the characters you like and it focus on some other plot line you don't care about it gets boring
 
#10
So what do you think draws the line between actual criticism and people who are just simply bitching and complaining?
Knowing your stuff and giving specific reasonings showing it is a good way to support criticism. Such criticism is also more credible if it fits the overall tone of the work it's approaching; this is particularly common in One Piece (e.g., "we want more blood and violence in this cartoonish and soft story!"), and if your criticism doesn't even respect the basics of the work then you are asking for the moon and therefore complaining.

For example, I suggested that chapter 1000 would have been improved if Oda had visually explicited a parallelism between Luffy punching the sea king in chapter 1, Ace punching the dragon statue and ultimately Luffy punching Kaido (here in dragon form) as the three panels would be drawn in an almost identical way. Since all of this is indeed supported in proper reasoning (parallelism is a very powerful rhetorical tool for visual works) and it would fit One Piece (Oda has done this before; for example, when stressing the similarities between Doffy and Crocodile by drawing two of their techniques almost equally), I consider it to be criticism and not just complaining.

Criticism also needs to grasp what Oda intended to do with the decision you're questioning. If a person complains about Franky defeating Señor Pink with a rain of punches but never noticed that it was meant to refer the rain as a rhetorical elemment in the latter's past, then the complain lacks any validity.

There's also the, let's say, uncomfortable truth that some people are far from illiterates in certain areas involved in this story; and I say uncomfortable because, when you're among the ignorants on said areas, it is harder to even consider the possibility that there's more objectivity than it'd seem in artistic productions and some people may know their stuff as good or even better than Oda, who at the end of the day isn't a perfect creator nor has the time to review his own work in depth before releasing it (which is a very important part of artistic creation). This scenario is especially common in forums because they generate this illusion of "universal incompetence", which is, anonymity is confused with being a noname and people feel freer to label as "bitching" a totally valid criticism on the basis of assuming the person writing it wouldn't be able to come up with something better than Oda; which is delusional.

These are some opinions I have on this issue, anyways.
 
#11
I like wano but i don't blame people for complaining when you dont see the characters you like and it focus on some other plot line you don't care about it gets boring
now I salute shanks, mihawk, akinu and others fans who's not getting much of focus yet.. i mad respect them they've been quiet all this time
 
#13
Criticism is when you point out valid mistakes with valid solutions or the likes...
Pure complaint is when you point out mistakes from your POV out of disappointment from not getting what you want or used to see or with bias...

In short, criticism is more scholar, complaint is more personal...
 
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