Current Events Cross Guild Bounties are inflated..

[gz89]

Yonkos are on the same tier, so by default Whitebeards hype is a Shanks hype..
Whitebeard was regular Yonko at Marineford..

No, thats called headcannon theory.

Manga facts: Mihawk > Shanks (even if only in swords following your logic)

Headcannon theory: Yonko hype = Shanks > Mihawk.

This doesnt prove anything if you cannot provide a MANGA fact stating that Shanks is stronger than Mihawk in whatever.

Thats what im telling you. No one in the OP verse compared Mihawk to Shanks as equals or Mihawk being inferior to Shanks. This is a fact.

The burden of proof that Shanks > Mihawk in anything is on you with some actual stuff.

 

[Rootbeer]

No, thats called headcannon theory.

Manga facts: Mihawk > Shanks (even if only in swords following your logic)

Headcannon theory: Yonko hype = Shanks > Mihawk.

This doesnt prove anything if you cannot provide a MANGA fact stating that Shanks is stronger than Mihawk in whatever.

Thats what im telling you. No one in the OP verse compared Mihawk to Shanks as equals or Mihawk being inferior to Shanks. This is a fact.

The burden of proof that Shanks > Mihawk in anything is on you with some actual stuff.

Are you saying that the Yonkos are not on the same tier?..

 

[gz89]

Are you saying that the Yonkos are not on the same tier?..

Sickbeard cant win against Kaido thats obvious. The whole point here is not about Yonko hype all i am asking is some manga evidence of anybody stating that Shanks is better than Mihawk in whatever you want but you dont provide anyhting.

 

[Rootbeer]

Sickbeard cant win against Kaido thats obvious. The whole point here is not about Yonko hype all i am asking is some manga evidence of anybody stating that Shanks is better than Mihawk in whatever you want but you dont provide anyhting.

Manga evidence don't always come in a straightforward statement..
Sickbeard might not win against Kaido but it would still be an extreme diff fight..

 

[gz89]

Manga evidence don't always come in a straightforward statement..
Sickbeard might not win against Kaido but it would still be an extreme diff fight..

In 25 years you had many chances for anybody to admit something like " Mihawk > shanks sword, but Shanks haki > Mihawk haki". Guess what never happened. On the contrary it was stated that Mihawk is stronger than Shanks even only in swords following your logic.

Thank you for proving my point that you have literally zero evidence to justify your headcanon theory.

 

[Rootbeer]

In 25 years you had many chances for anybody to admit something like " Mihawk > shanks sword, but Shanks haki > Mihawk haki". Guess what never happened. On the contrary it was stated that Mihawk is stronger than Shanks even only in swords following your logic.

Thank you for proving my point that you have literally zero evidence to justify your headcanon theory.

So basicly you're just saying " no, i'm right you're wrong " because your argument didn't go as planned..

And what's with avi?..

 

[gz89]

So basicly you're just saying " no, i'm right you're wrong " because your argument didn't go as planned..

And what's with avi?..

No i literally argue with manga facts while you did not provide anything.

Facts:

Mihawk > Shanks even if only in swords by your logic.

Shanks has super duper haki ? Yes its a fact.

Has Mihawk super duper haki ? Probably yes given his Black Blade.

Has it ever been stated or even close to it that Shanks > Mihawk in anything, even haki ? No

Headcanon theory of yours=

Shanks > Mihawk because haki or whatever.

 

[Cinera]

Cross Guild is not a pirate crew, it's a pirate Alliance.. Even if there is a dedicated leader, they are on equal standings.. Where as pirate
crews subordinate Bounties are greatly reliant on their Captains Bounty and infamy..

Naming a few Alliances..

Luffy, Kid and Law - Wano
Luffy and Capone - WCl
Luffy and Law - Dressrosa Saga
Kidd, Apoo and Hawkins - Punk Hazard

Kaido and Big Mom - Wano

Would Kaido and Big Mom have succeeded in establishing their Alliance enough to affect the world.. Their threat level
would have skyrocketed..

lt's not unthinkable to believe that both of their Bounties could have been something as..

Kaido - 6.111 Billion (+1.5 Billion)
Big Mom - 5.888 Billion (+1.5 Billion)



For Luffy, Kidd and Law being in a temporary Alliance were rewarded equally in the defeat of Big Mom and Kaido with 3 Billion each even
if Luffy is far stronger now than Kidd or Law.. So Law and Kidd are inflated due to Luffy and their accomplishments as a whole..

Now for Cross Guild, the way to evaluate them is with the portrayal they were given by the Marines who perceive their threats..

We know that Buggy's Bounty 3.189 Billion is mostly fake..



As for Mihawk, his recognition is largely power related due to his title and being compared to Shanks.. However his power level can't
be accurately assessed in the story.. His Bounty of 3.59 Billion could be correct or, it could be undervalued Or, it could also be inflated and that exaggerated amount could too be minimal Or more significant.. As such i will abstain from making a decisive guess..



But that won't be the case for Sir Crocodile.. Because his praise by the Marines were 2 fold.. He was given his Bounty 1.965 Billion for
his " mighty " Logia And, his cunning mind.. Meaning in this situation that his threat level is not solely based on his overall strenght..


The way i see it Crocodile's true might may be around YC3-2, although if he got stronger during the timeskip and Awakened his power it would not be impossible for him to be a strong YC1.. Thus if Crocodile's Bounty 1.965 Billion is overrated..


Crocodile - 965 Million ( - 1Billion)
Crocodile - 1.465 Billion ( -500 Million)

Crocodile fans probably won't acknowledge that he's inflated yet he most certainly is..



Let the Window Licker festival begin!..

Nonsensical cope.

 

[Rootbeer]

No i literally argue with manga facts while you did not provide anything.

Facts:

Mihawk > Shanks even if only in swords by your logic.

Shanks has super duper haki ? Yes its a fact.

Has Mihawk super duper haki ? Probably yes given his Black Blade.

Has it ever been stated or even close to it that Shanks > Mihawk in anything, even haki ? No

Headcanon theory of yours=

Shanks > Mihawk because haki or whatever.

l gave you a fact, Mihawk wanted to see the distance between him and sickbeard.. You just don't want to make the follow
up on what it entails..

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Nonsensical cope.

Nice feedback..

:cheers:

 

[Nerve74]

Cross Guild is not a pirate crew, it's a pirate Alliance.. Even if there is a dedicated leader, they are on equal standings.. Where as pirate
crews subordinate Bounties are greatly reliant on their Captains Bounty and infamy..

Naming a few Alliances..

Luffy, Kid and Law - Wano
Luffy and Capone - WCl
Luffy and Law - Dressrosa Saga
Kidd, Apoo and Hawkins - Punk Hazard

Kaido and Big Mom - Wano

Would Kaido and Big Mom have succeeded in establishing their Alliance enough to affect the world.. Their threat level
would have skyrocketed..

lt's not unthinkable to believe that both of their Bounties could have been something as..

Kaido - 6.111 Billion (+1.5 Billion)
Big Mom - 5.888 Billion (+1.5 Billion)



For Luffy, Kidd and Law being in a temporary Alliance were rewarded equally in the defeat of Big Mom and Kaido with 3 Billion each even
if Luffy is far stronger now than Kidd or Law.. So Law and Kidd are inflated due to Luffy and their accomplishments as a whole..

Now for Cross Guild, the way to evaluate them is with the portrayal they were given by the Marines who perceive their threats..

We know that Buggy's Bounty 3.189 Billion is mostly fake..



As for Mihawk, his recognition is largely power related due to his title and being compared to Shanks.. However his power level can't
be accurately assessed in the story.. His Bounty of 3.59 Billion could be correct or, it could be undervalued Or, it could also be inflated and that exaggerated amount could too be minimal Or more significant.. As such i will abstain from making a decisive guess..



But that won't be the case for Sir Crocodile.. Because his praise by the Marines were 2 fold.. He was given his Bounty 1.965 Billion for
his " mighty " Logia And, his cunning mind.. Meaning in this situation that his threat level is not solely based on his overall strenght..


The way i see it Crocodile's true might may be around YC3-2, although if he got stronger during the timeskip and Awakened his power it would not be impossible for him to be a strong YC1.. Thus if Crocodile's Bounty 1.965 Billion is overrated..


Crocodile - 965 Million ( - 1Billion)
Crocodile - 1.465 Billion ( -500 Million)

Crocodile fans probably won't acknowledge that he's inflated yet he most certainly is..



Let the Window Licker festival begin!..

Most of this is wrong.

Law and Luffys bounty didn't go up because they were alies. They went up because they defeated Doflomingo and the government assumed they both contributed equal amounts.

Similar thing going on with Kidd Law and Luffy but with the addition of the WG keeping Luffy down.

Luffy and Capone went up because they raided Big Moms territory. Luffys wen't up much more because he was considered the major force behind it.

No evidence the bounties of Kidd Hawkins and Apoo going up after their alliance. This would make sense as they failed in their feat.

Its never suggested that Kaido and Big Moms bounty would individual rise form their alliance. In fact what is stated is that their COMBINED bounties would be greater then White Beards and Rogers individual bounties.

If cross guild is viewed as an alliance then the only person who got an inflated bounty is Buggy. The reason being is that the WG views getting Hawkeye and Croc to work under him as a feat itself that tells them they were underestimating his power and influence.

 

[gz89]

l gave you a fact, Mihawk wanted to see the distance between him and sickbeard.. You just don't want to make the follow
up on what it entails..

You just bring up the WB thing while the manga never stated that Mihawk > WB in anything. You failed more than once to provide a simple panel of someone saying anything like Shanks>Mihawk in whatever. Nothing more to add here your headcanon theory wont change.

 

[Franosuke]

@Rootbeer Whitebeard was called the World's Strongest Man for decades, of course you would expect anyone to be weaker than him. You can't use that to somehow hype Shanks and downplay Mihawk. Even if Whitebeard was no longer the WSM at that point, that puts even more context into Mihawk's statement; he wanted to test how strong Whitebeard actually was.

The WG thinks Buggy is a legendary pirate who rivals Shanks. They gave him 3.189B. They gave Mihawk 3.59B, while thinking that he was working UNDER Buggy. That's freaking unheard of.

 

[Rootbeer]

@Rootbeer Whitebeard was called the World's Strongest Man for decades, of course you would expect anyone to be weaker than him. You can't use that to somehow hype Shanks and downplay Mihawk. Even if Whitebeard was no longer the WSM at that point, that puts even more context into Mihawk's statement; he wanted to test how strong Whitebeard actually was.

The WG thinks Buggy is a legendary pirate who rivals Shanks. They gave him 3.189B. They gave Mihawk 3.59B, while thinking that he was working UNDER Buggy. That's freaking unheard of.

Whitebeard was a regular Yonko at Marineford..

He was the WSM though.. WSC>WSM

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You just bring up the WB thing while the manga never stated that Mihawk > WB in anything. You failed more than once to provide a simple panel of someone saying anything like Shanks>Mihawk in whatever. Nothing more to add here your headcanon theory wont change.

Direct Statement are not the only type of evidences.. lt just doesn't fit your narrative..

 

[Franosuke]

Whitebeard was a regular Yonko at Marineford..

He was the WSM though.. WSC>WSM

Wdym by "regular" Yonko....?

And no, Kaido's title couldn't have existed before Whitebeard's death considering WB was known as the World's Strongest Pirate. It's only "creature" instead of man because Kaido is not human, he's an Oni.

Besides, regardless of how strong Whitebeard actually was during Marineford, he was known as being the strongest. You can't discount Mihawk for that. It's not like anyone called Shanks the strongest anything.

You didn't say anything about the fact that the WG thinks Buggy is Yonko-level & Shanks' rival, but still gave Mihawk a higher bounty despite the fact that he is supposedly Buggy's subordinate.

 

[Lor D. Coast]

Crocodile has a mighty logia and I don't remember seeing a logia coating their element in haki, you might not like it but he's probably the YC1 to Mihawk's Yonkou level in a story where pretty much everyone under a YC1 is a joke. You have Lucky Roo, Yasopp, Vista and Jozu and that's it.

 

[Rootbeer]

Wdym by "regular" Yonko....?

And no, Kaido's title couldn't have existed before Whitebeard's death considering WB was known as the World's Strongest Pirate. It's only "creature" instead of man because Kaido is not human, he's an Oni.

Besides, regardless of how strong Whitebeard actually was during Marineford, he was known as being the strongest. You can't discount Mihawk for that. It's not like anyone called Shanks the strongest anything.

You didn't say anything about the fact that the WG thinks Buggy is Yonko-level & Shanks' rival, but still gave Mihawk a higher bounty despite the fact that he is supposedly Buggy's subordinate.

The average Yonko level, Big Mom, Kaido, Shanks..

Whitebeard's title was not the World Strongest Pirate though, it was the World Strongest Man..
WSC>WSM

Oh i missed that.. They were rivals as kids on Roger's crew..

 

[gz89]

Whitebeard was a regular Yonko at Marineford..

He was the WSM though.. WSC>WSM

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Direct Statement are not the only type of evidences.. lt just doesn't fit your narrative..

Stop play dumb. Your statement was " Mihawk is compared to Shanks". I already debunked your statement because in the OP verse its stated that Mihawk > Shanks. You just bringing up the WB thing because you cant provide REAL evidence of Shanks > Mihawk.

 

[Malio]

This is sounding like a Cope thread. Been seeing them everywhere since the spoilers came out

 

[Rootbeer]

Stop play dumb. Your statement was " Mihawk is compared to Shanks". I already debunked your statement because in the OP verse its stated that Mihawk > Shanks. You just bringing up the WB thing because you cant provide REAL evidence of Shanks > Mihawk.

'' Real '' evidence..

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This is sounding like a Cope thread. Been seeing them everywhere since the spoilers came out

This seems like not an argument..

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Crocodile has a mighty logia and I don't remember seeing a logia coating their element in haki, you might not like it but he's probably the YC1 to Mihawk's Yonkou level in a story where pretty much everyone under a YC1 is a joke. You have Lucky Roo, Yasopp, Vista and Jozu and that's it.

lf he's YC1 then 1.465 Billion..

 

[Desolate Smaug]

Still don't understand why he is called Sir.