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Careful, I say "Jesus like", it's not really the same figure. When I'm talking about Jesus I'm talking about the savior figure, and not the fact that he is the son of a god. But now that I think about it, I think it's a bad comparison.
Luffy is not like Jesus, he is not the son of a god and was not choosen by the universe to do anything. He is just a boy with freedom and joy in his hearth. That's what the fruit senced.
I think, my problem is with the lazy definition of the trope. The chosen one can mean a lot of things that are sometimes very different narratively, so I'm choosing to take a more religious approach and take the figure of the "Messiah" as an example
At best, you could say that the fruit senced Luffy's personnality and thus choosed him. But the fruit did not choose him for a great purpose and neither did the universe.
Luffy just happens to be very lucky.
If we look closer at what the choosen ones are in fiction, you could say that the choosen one category can be categorized into two different one:
- The overall inevitable savior figure
- The choosen one (who is really choosen by all aspects of the story)
I think it's important to distinguishing those two as they don't have the same impact in term of public reception.
- The overall inevitable savior figure can simply be a result of a particular structure (like One Piece)
- To be a "choosen one" on the other hand, you need to be choosen by an external godly force to create a crazy action in order to accomplish something, then, you need to be selected and given priviledges at all stages of the story, because people know that you will create said action and they will try to help you do it. The chosen one will be given stronger power, not because he worked for it but because... he is the one.
As you can see, in one case, there can still be a struggle and the character needs to really work for it. In the other case, on the contrary, the character will benefit a certain form of priviledge (in Star wars, Anakin will favored by Obi-wan and enter the academy late, in Matrix Neo will be given private lessons). One case demands more merit when the other appears as a facility.
As for the power, in one case they are gained normally, in the other they are gained... just because of who the character is in the scheme of a prophecy.
Luffy is just Luffy, he is not like Anakin and he is not like Neo. The fruit happened to be in the near visibility of Luffy, call it will, call it an act of the universe, no matter. Luffy ate the fruit. But at no point the fruit chose Luffy or did anyone chose Luffy because they knew the prophecy.
Only one person did that: Pedro. And it arrives laaaaaate in the story. At a moment where Luffy is already mastering his abilities.
So Luffy is not a chosen one.
He is a savior figure yes, almost a divinity you could say, but it's just Luffy making the right choices. No one choosed him. And he is not given power because he is Luffy.
There is a nuance here that I hope you understand
Luffy is not like Jesus, he is not the son of a god and was not choosen by the universe to do anything. He is just a boy with freedom and joy in his hearth. That's what the fruit senced.
I think, my problem is with the lazy definition of the trope. The chosen one can mean a lot of things that are sometimes very different narratively, so I'm choosing to take a more religious approach and take the figure of the "Messiah" as an example
At best, you could say that the fruit senced Luffy's personnality and thus choosed him. But the fruit did not choose him for a great purpose and neither did the universe.
Luffy just happens to be very lucky.
If we look closer at what the choosen ones are in fiction, you could say that the choosen one category can be categorized into two different one:
- The overall inevitable savior figure
- The choosen one (who is really choosen by all aspects of the story)
I think it's important to distinguishing those two as they don't have the same impact in term of public reception.
- The overall inevitable savior figure can simply be a result of a particular structure (like One Piece)
- To be a "choosen one" on the other hand, you need to be choosen by an external godly force to create a crazy action in order to accomplish something, then, you need to be selected and given priviledges at all stages of the story, because people know that you will create said action and they will try to help you do it. The chosen one will be given stronger power, not because he worked for it but because... he is the one.
As you can see, in one case, there can still be a struggle and the character needs to really work for it. In the other case, on the contrary, the character will benefit a certain form of priviledge (in Star wars, Anakin will favored by Obi-wan and enter the academy late, in Matrix Neo will be given private lessons). One case demands more merit when the other appears as a facility.
As for the power, in one case they are gained normally, in the other they are gained... just because of who the character is in the scheme of a prophecy.
Luffy is just Luffy, he is not like Anakin and he is not like Neo. The fruit happened to be in the near visibility of Luffy, call it will, call it an act of the universe, no matter. Luffy ate the fruit. But at no point the fruit chose Luffy or did anyone chose Luffy because they knew the prophecy.
Only one person did that: Pedro. And it arrives laaaaaate in the story. At a moment where Luffy is already mastering his abilities.
So Luffy is not a chosen one.
He is a savior figure yes, almost a divinity you could say, but it's just Luffy making the right choices. No one choosed him. And he is not given power because he is Luffy.
There is a nuance here that I hope you understand
Yes, but that does not make him "a chosen one". It makes him the primary and inevitable savior's figure.
Go check the first post, I added a few lines that explains this nuance.
Luffy has always been the inevitable savior's figure. Since the beginning, the arcs have been created that way. So Gear 5 doesn't change anything.
Go check the first post, I added a few lines that explains this nuance.
Luffy has always been the inevitable savior's figure. Since the beginning, the arcs have been created that way. So Gear 5 doesn't change anything.
What should I be treated for a condition that seems to improve my desire to write and Draw (which is exactly what I want to do) ?? LMAO
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Only one person did that based on a prophecy and said person is dead.
A chosen one would be someone who's training would be helped because of the prophecy.
For example, if Shanks knew about the prophecy and choosed to trained him to become the next pirate king and the savior of the world (like Neo or Anakin) then yes, Luffy would have been the choosen one.
And this prophecy is still unclear and we are not even sure it's about Luffy. But even with this prophecy, Luffy is not pushed by the story to become the destroyer. Inhabitants asked him to destroy the Island quicker out of despair but that's it, no priviledge was granted for him to become the future destroyer of worlds..
Again, I repeat:
- In a "chosen one" scenario the powers are given to the character in the future because of a prophecy in the past.
- In One Piece it's the opposite, it's because of the actions and awakening of the powers by Luffy in the future, that in the past, a prophecy was made.
Do you guys understand the nuance ?
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Only one person did that based on a prophecy and said person is dead.
A chosen one would be someone who's training would be helped because of the prophecy.
For example, if Shanks knew about the prophecy and choosed to trained him to become the next pirate king and the savior of the world (like Neo or Anakin) then yes, Luffy would have been the choosen one.
And this prophecy is still unclear and we are not even sure it's about Luffy. But even with this prophecy, Luffy is not pushed by the story to become the destroyer. Inhabitants asked him to destroy the Island quicker out of despair but that's it, no priviledge was granted for him to become the future destroyer of worlds..
Again, I repeat:
- In a "chosen one" scenario the powers are given to the character in the future because of a prophecy in the past.
- In One Piece it's the opposite, it's because of the actions and awakening of the powers by Luffy in the future, that in the past, a prophecy was made.
Do you guys understand the nuance ?