Speculations Denjiro is not koshiro

#1
it doesn't make sense. There are absolutely zero connections between Denjiro and Koshiro except their appearance. But that means nothing because when you discount Oda's art style, Denjiro could be anybody


Denjiro could be Scopper Gaban for all we know.


but here are the facts. Koshiro already has ties to Wano. He is obviously a member of the shimotsuki clan. He lives in shimotsuki village, and he has Shimotsuki Kouzaburo's sword(wado). It fits so perfectly that there is no reason for it not to be the case that Kouzaburo was the father/grandfather of Koshiro.

Given all Oda has build up between Kouzaburo and Koshiro, the only way it makes sense for denjiro to be Koshiro is if denjiro was a shimotsuki, which makes no sense since the Shimotsuki were nobility/royalty and denjiro was an orphan. Surely Yasu would not let his own family member live as an orphan.
Overall making Denjiro koshiro when Koshiro already has ties to other wano characters just seems like a stretch.

So who is Denjiro? I don't know. Maybe he is Zoro's father, maybe he is Koshiro's father, maybe he is greenbul, or maybe he just died a miserable death trying to fight kaido. There are so many possibilities that it doesn't make sense for us to fixate on the ones that are the least likely
 
#5
The fact hes highlighted as an orphan points to it being koshiro even more. Considering koshiros apparent dad kozaburo left wano illegally as a criminal.

Idk, if this man would be denjiro, wouldnt he in chapter 807 already be on his way to wano to help in the fight he presumably waited 20 years for?

Cant imagine denjiro thinking that they wouldnt be needing his help and cant imagine him not wanting to avenge oden along the other scabbards.
 
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#6
Denjiro’s sword looking like Wado seems to be the selling point on him being Koushiro for most but why do folks completely ignore the possibility of it being a completely different blade of the same series? Kinda like the Kitetsu. For example, the Shodai, Nidai & Sandai look very similar.
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Also it’s worthy to note that Koushiro’s blade (now Zoro’s) is called ‘Wado Ichimonji’ - there’s an ‘Ichi’ in that which means ‘one’ which could hint at it being part of a series of swords
 
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#17
I watched sawyer7 review of the chapter and he made a good point about why he had doubt about that theory.
If denjiro is koshiro and had wado ichimonji, why didn't the other scabbards make any comment about the sword?

Maybe they are related somehow, there is a lot of mystery around denjiro.
 

Cyrus the Cactus

Mihawk Reigns Supreme
#19
Koshiro is too weak to be denjiro

zoro left koshiro because he learned all that koshiro could teach
If that's what Zoro thought, he was obviously wrong. He could've gotten a grasp on Haki with Koshiro, but left before he did. Who knows what else he could've learned from Koshiro.

I watched sawyer7 review of the chapter and he made a good point about why he had doubt about that theory.
If denjiro is koshiro and had wado ichimonji, why didn't the other scabbards make any comment about the sword?
The only person who mentioned Wado Ichimonji was Hitetsu and he thinks that Hiyori somehow recognized it. It'd be weird for Hiyori to know about a sword that left the country 50 years ago if she actually recognized it. She doesn't seem to be a sword nerd like Tashigi, so how would she know about Wado?

Nobody cared that Zoro had Sandai Kitetsu either, even though that sword was originally from Wano as well. Plus we still don't have any explanation for the two swords leaving the country. Hitetsu only mentioned Kozaburo leaving Wano, nothing about his family or the swords he forged.
 
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MD Zolo

#20
The only person who mentioned Wado Ichimonji was Hitetsu and he thinks that Hiyori somehow recognized it. It'd be weird for Hiyori to know about a sword that left the country 50 years ago if she actually recognized it. She doesn't seem to be a sword nerd like Tashigi, so how would she know about Wado?
That is a very interesting point. Hiyori recognizing Wado may be an important clue. Hiyori is 26, so if she recognized it, may be she saw it before.

I am gonna add this to a point in favor of Denjiro being Koshirou.
 
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