Powers & Abilities Diamond is indestructible

[ImmaIvanoM]

Yes, it doesn’t make sense when real world logic is applied but these are the rules of Oda’s universe

Oda in this chapter has Franky, A GODDAMN SCIENTIST, say that Ragnir’s ice being indestructible makes it similar to Diamond.

Yes yes, I know, in our real world you can break diamonds with a goddamn steel hammer and a good swing. Who cares

Remember that Sea stone is also said to be as hard as Diamond. Sea stone, the thing no character in the story, including Yonkos, has ever destroyed.

Imu, the top of the verse, couldn’t break “Diamond Hard Ice”. That’s that.

 

[John Akainu]

tougher than the moon

 

[Heart pirate]

Why that shocking?

 

[kekaro]

Some of you aint reading the manga, man
>Imu throws some lowtier attacks at it (see the attacks he packs out this chapter for the first time, for example) without even looking at it at a drive by
>"Imu couldnt break it"
Yes its very hard and you cant destroy it casually, thats not new info, nowhere in the manga it is stated to be indestructible however


The only thing stated as such is a poneglyph, which you know must be harder; otherwise it wouldnt be said, or is it "More indestructible"?????

You gotta rest at some point

tougher than the moon

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Some of you aint reading the manga, man
>Imu throws some lowtier attacks at it (see the attacks he packs out this chapter for the first time, for example) without even looking at it at a drive by
>"Imu couldnt break it"
Yes its very hard and you cant destroy it casually, thats not new info, nowhere in the manga it is stated to be indestructible however


The only thing stated as such is a poneglyph, which you know must be harder; otherwise it wouldnt be said, or is it "More indestructible"?????

You gotta rest at some point

Loki “the only person way she can get out is if Ragnir does it”

loki is saying his ice cannot be removed without Ragnir

Loki Is a top tier has fought boosted Harald, presumably has fought shanks, Loki has the DF that Rocks thinks can end the entire goddamn world and is needed to beat Imu

this Loki, is the one that says ONLY RAGNIR can get Gunko out of the ice

If you want to say Loki is just weak, then fine. To everyone and everything weaker than the world destroying Dragon man, Ragnir’s ice is indestructible

meaning Imu has to scale above the entire arsenal of World destroying dragon fruit to be relevant

and so far Imu has not. No attack of Imu’s, including the named ones, has been shown actually over powering Dragon Loki’s attacks

 

[kekaro]

Loki “the only person way she can get out is if Ragnir does it”

loki is saying his ice cannot be removed without Ragnir

Loki Is a top tier has fought boosted Harald, presumably has fought shanks, Loki has the DF that Rocks thinks can end the entire goddamn world and is needed to beat Imu

this Loki, is the one that says ONLY RAGNIR can get Gunko out of the ice

If you want to say Loki is just weak, then fine. To everyone and everything weaker than the world destroying Dragon man, Ragnir’s ice is indestructible

meaning Imu has to scale above the entire arsenal of World destroying dragon fruit to be relevant

and so far Imu has not. No attack of Imu’s, including the named ones, has been shown actually over powering Dragon Loki’s attacks

They refer to it as tough diamonds because thats a simile. I already explained to you that it being indestructible doesn't make sense because materials that are actually indestructible are named in the one piece world if they have that property, like poneglyphs. Diamond never are refered as indestructible.

So it makes no sense 2x



Its a simile litterarly said in our own world, despite being it quite breakable

https://grammerhere.com/powerful-similes-for-hard-that/


I have no idea what you trying to prove with this thread but hoo boy

Your entire premise from the first sentence makes not 0 lick of sense cause we litterarly say this in the real world despite knowing its quite breakable

Like you are dead wrong

 

[NAMELESS]

Zoro will cut diamond by EOS as foreshadowed by the Daz Bones fight.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

They refer to it as tough diamonds because thats a simil

You think similes are universal? You think in Japan “as hard as diamond” is a simile there as well?

Sea stone and Ragnir’s ice are directly stated to be LIKE DIAMOND. As in their hardness is directly stated to be on level of diamond

have you ever seen Anyone destroy Sea stone?

Why that shocking?

Remember when the Diamond man stood in front of Mihawk’s slash. It’s supposedly very shocking to readers

Zoro will cut diamond by EOS as foreshadowed by the Daz Bones fight.

No, There is no foreshadowing of Zoro cutting diamond. The opposite exists. Zoe says he won’t cut diamond.



Do you remember what the last words of the Daz bones fight were? Daz bones asks Zoro “will you cut diamonds next”. And Zoro answers “that would just be a waste”

Zoro was looking to cut Iron simply because iron was a thing that was hard to cut. Which is not swordsmanship. Cutting things for the sake of cutting things isn’t swordsmanship. It’s a waste.

Daz bones thinks Zoro will go on to cut Diamond because he thinks Zoro’s goal is to just cut whatever. Zoro’s goal had changed. He wanted to to cut Daz bones, because Daz bones was his enemy and he had to protect his friends. Not because Daz bones is made of iron so cutting iron is big deal.


Zoro changed. He moved from a guy who would have wanted to cut Diamond, to a guy who thinks it’s a waste of time to cut Diamond.

 

[kekaro]

You think similes are universal? You think in Japan “as hard as diamond” is a simile there as well?

Yes for example 金剛不壊

We done?

Whatever, bro have trying to prove this point lmao, actually hilarious
Woro

 

[Heart pirate]

have you ever seen Anyone destroy Sea stone?


Remember when the Diamond man stood in front of Mihawk’s slash. It’s supposedly very shocking to readers

I confused on why this is a big deal. Like are you saying this a bad thing or wat...

None of those substance are 100% "indestructible. hell Law right now can cut through sea stone/diamond/ or ragnir ice. IMU not showing so "yet" not too crazy. He's only barely tired.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Yes for example 金剛不壊

We done?

Whatever, bro have trying to prove this point lmao, actually hilarious
Woro

You haven’t proven anything

You just posted a word for word translation.

i didn’t ask “can the words be translated to Japanese”

I asked is the phrase used in Japanese vernacular

get it? The proof you need is to post like a Japanese novel passage where this statement was used. Or a Japanese tv show where they use this

also you are intentionally ignoring the fact that Both sea stone and Ragnir’s ice are compared to diamond in direct strength.

I confused on why this is a big deal. Like are you saying this a bad thing or wat...

None of those substance are 100% "indestructible. hell Law right now can cut through sea stone/diamond/ or ragnir ice. IMU not showing so "yet" not too crazy. He's only barely tired.

Law’s ability doesn’t destroy things

no on in the story has ever cut or destroyed or melted or burned or exploded Diamond/Sea stone/ Ragnir’s ice

and we have the very top people of the verse who have tried and failed to do so

 

[kekaro]

You haven’t proven anything

You just posted a word for word translation.

i didn’t ask “can the words be translated to Japanese”

I asked is the phrase used in Japanese vernacular

get it? The proof you need is to post like a Japanese novel passage where this statement was used. Or a Japanese tv show where they use this

...
No?
That's an idiom, litterarly used in japan

Its infact not a word for word translation either

Go ahead, translate it for us word for into english, im very curious how you come to the conclusion that is word for translated

Surely you are not making something

You are an extremely funny man

 

[kekaro]

I confused on why this is a big deal. Like are you saying this a bad thing or wat...

None of those substance are 100% "indestructible. hell Law right now can cut through sea stone/diamond/ or ragnir ice. IMU not showing so "yet" not too crazy. He's only barely tired.

tl dr he is trying to gas a hypothetical zoro feat in the future and why mihawk was embarrassed in MF with some of the funniest stuff i seen

 

[Heart pirate]

Law’s ability doesn’t destroy things

no on in the story has ever cut or destroyed or melted or burned or exploded Diamond/Sea stone/ Ragnir’s ice

and we have the very top people of the verse who have tried and failed to do so

Law ability are a bit unique but my point was there not completely indestructible. Hancock another character that technically could destroy all 3.

Dog the only top tier that have "tired" barely put any effort into it. I can see if mihawk screaming mad about jozu or IMU used all his power. But both hardly put their best into it lol chill.

 

[Heart pirate]

tl dr he is trying to gas a hypothetical zoro feat in the future and why mihawk was embarrassed in MF with some of the funniest stuff i seen

Oh is this mihawk cope in disguise smh?

 

[MonochromeYoru]

one might even say diamond is... unbreakable

 

[park_min young]

Some of you aint reading the manga, man
>Imu throws some lowtier attacks at it (see the attacks he packs out this chapter for the first time, for example) without even looking at it at a drive by
>"Imu couldnt break it"
Yes its very hard and you cant destroy it casually, thats not new info, nowhere in the manga it is stated to be indestructible however


The only thing stated as such is a poneglyph, which you know must be harder; otherwise it wouldnt be said, or is it "More indestructible"?????

You gotta rest at some point

Wtf is this cope? Loki said that only Ragnir can thaw it out.

Ragnir’s ice is quite literally indestructible. Imu was throwing Maki Bombs at it and still couldn’t leave so much as a scratch. Loki also froze Gunkimu, forcing Imu to abandon Gunko’s body just to keep fighting. He physically has no way of dealing with the ice once his vessel is frozen.

The Galleila Giants have remained frozen for hundreds, if not thousands, of years, which only reinforces that point. It’s also a major reason on why Xebec wanted Harald to eat the fruit in the first place. He clearly knows there’s no other way to reawaken the giants.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

...
No?
That's an idiom, litterarly used in japan

Its infact not a word for word translation either

Go ahead, translate it for us word for into english, im very curious how you come to the conclusion that is word for translated

Surely you are not making something

You are an extremely funny man

Can you provide a goddamn poem then.

jesus.

anyway, I will take the proof in the manga of every single character failing to damage Diamond/sea stone/Ragnir’s ice as proof that Oda isn’t doing this by accident

Oda is very consistent that these three objects that he directly compared to one another are indestructible to every character who has come across them

this is going to remain true now that Loki, a top 3 character outright said No one can do this

Hancock another character that technically could destroy all 3.

So you’re saying like law, Hancock bypasses the diamond durability and turns it into stone and then destroys it. So like law, that’s not Hancock actually creating enough physical power to overcome the innate durability of Diamond

Whatever man, Oda is consistent. No one has destroyed Ragnir’s ice and diamond and Sea stone

and we have a statement from Loki, a top top tier saying NO ONE CAN.

you have to make the argument that Loki no idea what he’s talking about

 

[kekaro]

Ok man idc this time for sure

 

[Salah WG]

Diamond is hardest material most OP Characters can think of, doesn't mean it's hardest material in OPVerse or it's Indestructible for everyone.