Questions & Mysteries Did Oda create hito hito no mi at the beginning?

[traxex123]

Me and my bae have just had a vigorous debate, she thinks Oda just tries to find a power-up for luffy which wasn't been planned from the onset, as he is too weak for kaido or blackbeard
But i think Oda makes it because he doesn't want ZKK happening
What do you think guys?

 

[Kishido]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1507297961302188047

 

[HA001]

Zkk is still happening

 

[Roo]

no, but I think he had an idea by the beginning of the ts

 

[Fn Lucci]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1507297961302188047

Now I see that the original Viz translator was unsure how to put it, actually

 

[Aster]

One of the sbs implies it, dont remember which

 

[Kurozumi D. Trussop]

Seems like a retcon to me.

 

[Garp the Fist]

Mythical Hito Hito: model Nika?

No.

Some vague idea that the fruit is actually the Joy Joy Fruit or something along those lines?

I think that’s likely enough.

But again, just cause it’s planned from the beginning doesn’t make an idea good, and neither does coming up with something on the spot.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

I don’t think he did it to prevent the inevitable (ZKK), he did it because he wrote himself into a corner the chapter he introduced Kaido and then spent several years stuffing Luffy with every other ability in the book so it would be halfway believable when his special boy beat the World’s Strongest Creature

 

[Roo]

Mythical Hito Hito: model Nika?

No.

Some vague idea that the fruit is actually the Joy Joy Fruit or something along those lines?

I think that’s likely enough.

But again, just cause it’s planned from the beginning doesn’t make an idea good, and neither does coming up with something on the spot.

yeah retcons arent necessarily bad. A retcon led to the most successful anime of all time lol

 

[lee33]

It is obviously a retcon. Anyone trying to rationalize Oda's clear retcon is beyond saving anyway.

 

[Jailer]

Doubt

 

[roronoa_fan]

In a letter in 2007 Oda had already talked about Luffy being chosen by the heavens and being incredibly lucky, so he already had notions of what he wanted to do, but I don't think everything was already planned.

 

[Rekien]

Not from the start, but then he started using crack.

Seriously though, there is no way he planned it from the start, he made it up as he went. I wouldnt be surprised if he planned it since he started the whole joyboy stuff, but definely not before that.
:zorothink:
It was not to stop ZKK as he is the goddamn author of this shit, if he dont want ZKK then ZKK simply wont happen period, he hardly would need to go out of his way to do it and create a new Luffy form for it.... He planned it for a while, and in my oppion it makes it even worse as it adds nothing to Luffy's dream, if Luffy was a child of prophecy destined to become the next joyboy...Then was he ever realy ever free from his destiny?

 

[Jailer]

I remember reading that the story was always about beating the 4 Emperors but the warlords extended the series, so he probably had a rough idea that rubber alone wouldn't be enough to surpass the strongest characters, however he def didn't think of the exact power he was gonna have.

 

[Rej]

While people are coping imma throw this in:

 

[Finalbeta]

He probably developed this by the time the Fishman Island arc began and also Nika became a thing.

 

[Chrono]

Nothing to do with ZKK. Luffy was always gonna take Kaido down.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

When Chopper eats the human fruit, I feel like a mythical version is already coming up.

 

[Wh1p]

I'm sure Oda had the idea but not the version we see today. Kind of like how he probably always wanted to introduce a spiritual power, but haki wasn't finalized until later.