Powers & Abilities Did Oden Have KoH?
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"Flame off King's durability still way above kaidos."
evidence
basis for comparison.......
perhaps provide that ,
"Luffy went from neg diff to toe to toe with hybrid kaido"
yes cause he was infact stronger than simply a neg diff for kaido just couldnt hurt him significantly. oddly enough zoro consequently went from doing fuck all to king at all to ending him in 3 hits after a powerup where he could hurt him. before that pu was looking like a solid low diff as well. powerups eh.
"So nerfed broken bones zoro scar kaido would go to fold kaido with the same power up"
would?
case ends there, just needed to confirm its headcanon.
I suppose it would look bigger on his dragon form naturally but when he comes down to his human or hybrid form
the scale should fall back in place.
lets not even talk about the impact each scar had on him
evidently oden weighs heavily
the latter seems rather brushed off. never mentioned again . odd
evidence
basis for comparison.......
perhaps provide that ,
"Luffy went from neg diff to toe to toe with hybrid kaido"
yes cause he was infact stronger than simply a neg diff for kaido just couldnt hurt him significantly. oddly enough zoro consequently went from doing fuck all to king at all to ending him in 3 hits after a powerup where he could hurt him. before that pu was looking like a solid low diff as well. powerups eh.
"So nerfed broken bones zoro scar kaido would go to fold kaido with the same power up"
would?
case ends there, just needed to confirm its headcanon.
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I suppose it would look bigger on his dragon form naturally but when he comes down to his human or hybrid form
the scale should fall back in place.
lets not even talk about the impact each scar had on him
evidently oden weighs heavily
the latter seems rather brushed off. never mentioned again . odd
King took next to no damage from an acoc attack to the face.
Less than kaido took with ryou attacks.
Fact.
Sure. Whatever he does to King it does even more to kaido as King defence is vastly superior
No headcanon at all.
They both got the same power up.
At the same time luffy got negged in seconds by hybrid kaido who he couldn't fight at all let alone damage
Zoro with a broken body and next to no stamina over powered and scarred hybrid kaido
They both got the same power up and luffy went toe to toe with drunk hybrid kaido
Which means zoros ap would fold kaido.
And on top of acoc zoro has 3 multipliers
Less than kaido took with ryou attacks.
Fact.
Sure. Whatever he does to King it does even more to kaido as King defence is vastly superior
No headcanon at all.
They both got the same power up.
At the same time luffy got negged in seconds by hybrid kaido who he couldn't fight at all let alone damage
Zoro with a broken body and next to no stamina over powered and scarred hybrid kaido
They both got the same power up and luffy went toe to toe with drunk hybrid kaido
Which means zoros ap would fold kaido.
And on top of acoc zoro has 3 multipliers
"King took next to no damage from an acoc attack to the face."
his mask comes off
I see a good amount of blood pouring out
yeah am not buying next to no damage
esp when a one sword style bird dance did this. would be nice to see zoro try to cut him with his flames off with just ryou but we didnt get that.
" They both got the same power up."
unfortunately not quite
one seems almost time limited
the other uses it for an extended period of time against arguably the strongest top tier , its a big and massive difference. technically one that caused luffy to be knocked out the second time.
"Zoro with a broken body and next to no stamina over powered and scarred hybrid kaido"
zoro didnt have stamina issues, I think you mean his physical conditions.
regardless,
and then .....
it didnt end there right ? RIGHT? I like to think you lot dont like what happens after. did kaido fall, what was his reaction to the scar, how did it affect him throughout the course of the fight . ........
scar legitimately was impressive in 1010 then we saw what law did to big mom that had her coughing out her lifespan and luffy caving kaido's head deep underground with an island sized attack. it doesnt seem to move me anymore unfortunately.
rest of what you have typed again are just assumptions. wont bother.
his mask comes off
I see a good amount of blood pouring out
yeah am not buying next to no damage
esp when a one sword style bird dance did this. would be nice to see zoro try to cut him with his flames off with just ryou but we didnt get that.
" They both got the same power up."
unfortunately not quite
one seems almost time limited
the other uses it for an extended period of time against arguably the strongest top tier , its a big and massive difference. technically one that caused luffy to be knocked out the second time.
"Zoro with a broken body and next to no stamina over powered and scarred hybrid kaido"
zoro didnt have stamina issues, I think you mean his physical conditions.
regardless,
and then .....
it didnt end there right ? RIGHT? I like to think you lot dont like what happens after. did kaido fall, what was his reaction to the scar, how did it affect him throughout the course of the fight . ........
scar legitimately was impressive in 1010 then we saw what law did to big mom that had her coughing out her lifespan and luffy caving kaido's head deep underground with an island sized attack. it doesnt seem to move me anymore unfortunately.
rest of what you have typed again are just assumptions. wont bother.
"King took next to no damage from an acoc attack to the face."
his mask comes off
I see a good amount of blood pouring out
yeah am not buying next to no damage
esp when a one sword style bird dance did this. would be nice to see zoro try to cut him with his flames off with just ryou but we didnt get that.
" They both got the same power up."
unfortunately not quite
one seems almost time limited
the other uses it for an extended period of time against arguably the strongest top tier , its a big and massive difference. technically one that caused luffy to be knocked out the second time.
"Zoro with a broken body and next to no stamina over powered and scarred hybrid kaido"
zoro didnt have stamina issues, I think you mean his physical conditions.
regardless,
and then .....
it didnt end there right ? RIGHT? I like to think you lot dont like what happens after. did kaido fall, what was his reaction to the scar, how did it affect him throughout the course of the fight . ........
scar legitimately was impressive in 1010 then we saw what law did to big mom that had her coughing out her lifespan and luffy caving kaido's head deep underground with an island sized attack. it doesnt seem to move me anymore unfortunately.
rest of what you have typed again are just assumptions. wont bother.
his mask comes off
I see a good amount of blood pouring out
yeah am not buying next to no damage
esp when a one sword style bird dance did this. would be nice to see zoro try to cut him with his flames off with just ryou but we didnt get that.
" They both got the same power up."
unfortunately not quite
one seems almost time limited
the other uses it for an extended period of time against arguably the strongest top tier , its a big and massive difference. technically one that caused luffy to be knocked out the second time.
"Zoro with a broken body and next to no stamina over powered and scarred hybrid kaido"
zoro didnt have stamina issues, I think you mean his physical conditions.
regardless,
and then .....
it didnt end there right ? RIGHT? I like to think you lot dont like what happens after. did kaido fall, what was his reaction to the scar, how did it affect him throughout the course of the fight . ........
scar legitimately was impressive in 1010 then we saw what law did to big mom that had her coughing out her lifespan and luffy caving kaido's head deep underground with an island sized attack. it doesnt seem to move me anymore unfortunately.
rest of what you have typed again are just assumptions. wont bother.
Next to no damage
And that attack scars kaido.
This is what happens when you can't read
Zoro has no time limit on acoc.
Enma is pulling out overflowing ryou
That's what is the drain
Not acoc
What happens after zoro scarred kaido is irrelevant to the point because zoro got a power up.
Scarring hybrid kaido is infinitely better than luffys performance pre acoc
So with acoc zoro would do infinitely better than luffys performance of going toe to toe with hybrid kaido
And again
Zoro has the acoc power up
A koh multiplier
A koh 3 dragons multiplier where the damage was increased massively
Where acoc alone does this to King
To this
And then he has another multiplier of asura which he can stack all of them.
Which is far beyond anything kaido can handle
Oden didn't have King of Hell (KoH). It is a style inquire to Zoro who created it.
What is KoH? KoH is a style where Zoro uses overwhelming amounts of CoA haki and combines it with ACoC haki or CoC haki coating.
The bottom right scene is an example of KoH.
The key to using KoH is having the power to flow and add overwhelming, enormous or extremely large amounts of CoA haki to a weapon. Smoke coming from a weapon is the result of overwhelming amounts of CoA haki added to a weapon. Whenever we see smoke coming from a weapon it's an indication overwhelming amounts of CoA haki is being used.
Zoro first use of enma showed us the results of overwhelming amounts of CoA haki added to a weapon (sword), smoke.
Enma forced Zoro to release an enormous amount of CoA haki. It was so much haki his arm shriveled up. The result of all of that CoA haki being added to the sword was smoke coming from enma.
Smoke coming from a sword because of overwhelming amounts of CoA haki has been consistent throughout Wano. Every single time Zoro lost control of enma and it forced him to release overwhelming amounts of CoA haki we see smoke coming from the sword.
Zoro can freely add overwhelming amounts of CoA haki to any sword and without needing to use ACoC at the same time. As seen in the top right scene.
Neither overwhelming amounts of CoA haki nor KoH is needed to control enma, just large amounts of CoA haki. That why Zoro didn't lose control of enma when he wasn't using KoH or overwhelming amounts of CoA haki while fighting King.
And again post Wano.
That explains to us why Zoro only used KoH when he was going on the offense and attacking King. Not when he was just clashing or blocking King attacks.
There's the proof KoH is not needed to control enma. Anyone claiming Zoro needs KoH to control enma is pushing headcannon.
Oden never had KoH, a variation of KoH or used overwhelming amounts CoA haki. That can be determined by the lack of smoke coming from his swords. Anybody claiming anything different is pushing headcannon.
Here's the proof.
No smoke.
I don't know why some focus on this scene.
All it tells us is 8 year old Oden could use enma with no haki. It doesn't mean Oden had mastered enma by the time he was 8. We saw the same thing from Zoro when he us6e enma early in the war with no haki.
This is before he mastered enma.
Anyone claiming the reason we don't see smoke coming from Oden's swords is because he surpassed the smoke state and it disappeared or some other BSis full of it. I've already proven overwhelming amounts of CoA haki causes smoke to release from a sword.
The more CoA haki added, the more smoke is releases from the sword.
Here manga proof.
Zoro using overwhelming amounts of CoA haki with his sword.
Notice the amount of smoke coming from each sword.
Now notice the amount of smoke coming from a sword when much haki is added.
There's more smoke coming from the sword.
I shouldn't even need to explain this since there's absolutely no evidence supporting using more CoA haki than the amount Zoro used makes the smoke disappear.
This scene is just Zoro questioning how Oden could use some much CoA haki while easily controlling enma. Zoro wondering how much CoA haki he should use to control enma. Finally realizing large amounts of CoA haki is the key to fully controlling enma. Instead of just using large amounts of CoA haki, Zoro releases all of his haki, CoA and CoC.
What is KoH? KoH is a style where Zoro uses overwhelming amounts of CoA haki and combines it with ACoC haki or CoC haki coating.
The bottom right scene is an example of KoH.
The key to using KoH is having the power to flow and add overwhelming, enormous or extremely large amounts of CoA haki to a weapon. Smoke coming from a weapon is the result of overwhelming amounts of CoA haki added to a weapon. Whenever we see smoke coming from a weapon it's an indication overwhelming amounts of CoA haki is being used.
Zoro first use of enma showed us the results of overwhelming amounts of CoA haki added to a weapon (sword), smoke.
Smoke coming from a sword because of overwhelming amounts of CoA haki has been consistent throughout Wano. Every single time Zoro lost control of enma and it forced him to release overwhelming amounts of CoA haki we see smoke coming from the sword.
Zoro can freely add overwhelming amounts of CoA haki to any sword and without needing to use ACoC at the same time. As seen in the top right scene.
Neither overwhelming amounts of CoA haki nor KoH is needed to control enma, just large amounts of CoA haki. That why Zoro didn't lose control of enma when he wasn't using KoH or overwhelming amounts of CoA haki while fighting King.
And again post Wano.
That explains to us why Zoro only used KoH when he was going on the offense and attacking King. Not when he was just clashing or blocking King attacks.
There's the proof KoH is not needed to control enma. Anyone claiming Zoro needs KoH to control enma is pushing headcannon.
Oden never had KoH, a variation of KoH or used overwhelming amounts CoA haki. That can be determined by the lack of smoke coming from his swords. Anybody claiming anything different is pushing headcannon.
Here's the proof.
I don't know why some focus on this scene.
Anyone claiming the reason we don't see smoke coming from Oden's swords is because he surpassed the smoke state and it disappeared or some other BSis full of it. I've already proven overwhelming amounts of CoA haki causes smoke to release from a sword.
The more CoA haki added, the more smoke is releases from the sword.
Here manga proof.
Zoro using overwhelming amounts of CoA haki with his sword.
Now notice the amount of smoke coming from a sword when much haki is added.
I shouldn't even need to explain this since there's absolutely no evidence supporting using more CoA haki than the amount Zoro used makes the smoke disappear.
This scene is just Zoro questioning how Oden could use some much CoA haki while easily controlling enma. Zoro wondering how much CoA haki he should use to control enma. Finally realizing large amounts of CoA haki is the key to fully controlling enma. Instead of just using large amounts of CoA haki, Zoro releases all of his haki, CoA and CoC.
It's something unique to Zoro like Asura. It's overflowing Ryou. One thing people are forgetting is that Enma was testing Zoro, was Zoro worthy of wielding Enma. This way of testing is specific to Enma which was used to Prime Oden. Now it wants to check whether the new wielder is able to satisfy it and is the new wielder capable of forging it into a black blade. Zoro unleashed attacks with lots of haki before like cutting the coast line the very first time, Flying Dragon Blaze, Dragon Twister. All of these were using large amounts of haki which was specifically shown on Enma. So feeding excessive haki was not the issue but the personality of the wielder. Oden was the epitome of free spirit. Why did Enma start acting up specifically when Zoro started questioning himself in his battle against King? Why did Enma not bother Zoro early during the whole raid, during RT where Zoro was pushed to the limit and against Kaido, the sworn enemy?
Enma previously had been given to Zoro only as a replacement. Zoro trained with it but the real bond was never established. Wado was given and it is carrying the previous wielder and Zoro's same dream. Sandai and Zoro already tested each other when Zoro asked for it and pitted his luck against the sword's curse. Yubashiri was gifted but was destroyed, there was no real bond developed. Shusui was won in a duel but the blade had already completed its journey.
The test is complete, Zoro passed it, he has shown his ambition to be the highest, now they are going to raise each other to the new level, Zoro will surpass Oden and forge Enma into a black blade.
Enma previously had been given to Zoro only as a replacement. Zoro trained with it but the real bond was never established. Wado was given and it is carrying the previous wielder and Zoro's same dream. Sandai and Zoro already tested each other when Zoro asked for it and pitted his luck against the sword's curse. Yubashiri was gifted but was destroyed, there was no real bond developed. Shusui was won in a duel but the blade had already completed its journey.
The test is complete, Zoro passed it, he has shown his ambition to be the highest, now they are going to raise each other to the new level, Zoro will surpass Oden and forge Enma into a black blade.
Zoro is using his telekinesis on enma to use KOH
That no different than when Zoro first used enma.
After Zoro realized large amounts of CoA haki is needed to control enma and releasea the haki in his own.
You haven't provided any scenes showing enma affecting his other one swords.
No, that's the sword forcing more haki from Zoro without his permission. It helps if you show the scenes that go along with it.
That no different than when Zoro first used enma.
After Zoro realized large amounts of CoA haki is needed to control enma and releasea the haki in his own.
You haven't provided any scenes showing enma affecting his other one swords.
That no different than when Zoro first used enma.
After Zoro realized large amounts of CoA haki is needed to control enma and releasea the haki in his own.
You haven't provided any scenes showing enma affecting his other one swords.
Zoro almost died at 21.