But doesn't "dealing with cursed swords" itself make you strong?
Remember Tenguyama literally says this to Zoro "Enma much like a cursed sword cannot used by the weak"
So it seems more like When Zoro starts using these swords he's weak and the swords remain too difficult to use. Then Zoro trains himself until he can get the swords under control. Then Zoro is stronger from training.
This is basically what happened with Wado Ichimonji right? Zoro spent 10 years with that sword and only managed to actually master the sword in Alabasta.
Remember Tenguyama literally says this to Zoro "Enma much like a cursed sword cannot used by the weak"
So it seems more like When Zoro starts using these swords he's weak and the swords remain too difficult to use. Then Zoro trains himself until he can get the swords under control. Then Zoro is stronger from training.
This is basically what happened with Wado Ichimonji right? Zoro spent 10 years with that sword and only managed to actually master the sword in Alabasta.
I don't think so. He had Wado Ichimonji for 10 yeas and never mastered it. And he didn't master Shusui until some time during the two year time skip.
Of course as Zoro gets stronger he master's swords faster such Enma will be mastered before the arc ends but this wasn't always how he was. You can't be weak and tame high level swords easily
Of course as Zoro gets stronger he master's swords faster such Enma will be mastered before the arc ends but this wasn't always how he was. You can't be weak and tame high level swords easily
Oh. But Zoro's swords ARE RELATED TO ZORO.
Like the primary drive Zoro has had for the last sixty chapters was just his swords.
It's not useless info. It's very useful info because it's about things ZORO CARES ABOUT.
Unfortunately Zoro doesnt care about family drama so that right there is useless information and that's why Oda won't waste our time with that
Like the primary drive Zoro has had for the last sixty chapters was just his swords.
It's not useless info. It's very useful info because it's about things ZORO CARES ABOUT.
Unfortunately Zoro doesnt care about family drama so that right there is useless information and that's why Oda won't waste our time with that
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According to you, the buildup was for Tenguyama to deliver the information that Zoro is easily able to handle Enma because he is already using another sword made by the same blacksmith.
But we agree that the information is not correct.
So, why do you think Oda would go all the way to deliver some unimportant info? Then it means:
But we agree that the information is not correct.
So, why do you think Oda would go all the way to deliver some unimportant info? Then it means:
- The info is not false and Wado really does act as an training wheel for Enma (which I disagree with)
- Or that the build up is for something else.
I don't disagree with the information
Tenguyama isn't lying.
Let's get the exact wording
He's talking about Zoro handling Enma easily because he has experience with a similar sword.
As in Zoro has ALREADY GOTTEN THE EXPERIENCE FROM WADO ICHIMONJI.
Like the moment Zoro mastered Wado Ichimonji after 10 years of using it in Alabasta, Zoro had gained the experience of mastering a sword similar to Enma.
When I replied initially talking about Kin'emon I said it's hard for you to conflate Zoro and Kin'emon since its possible Kin'emon required 20 years instead of Zoro's 10 years to reach the level Zoro was at in Alabasta with Wado Ichimonji.
Then I said "Wado Ichimonji does nothing. It's Zoro who does things".. As in Zoro right now has the experience from mastering Wado 2 years ago. He doesn't lose the experience when Wado Ichimonji is taken away from him so Wado Ichimonji is not doing anything. It just happened to be similar to Enma.
Tenguyama isn't lying.
Let's get the exact wording
He's talking about Zoro handling Enma easily because he has experience with a similar sword.
As in Zoro has ALREADY GOTTEN THE EXPERIENCE FROM WADO ICHIMONJI.
Like the moment Zoro mastered Wado Ichimonji after 10 years of using it in Alabasta, Zoro had gained the experience of mastering a sword similar to Enma.
When I replied initially talking about Kin'emon I said it's hard for you to conflate Zoro and Kin'emon since its possible Kin'emon required 20 years instead of Zoro's 10 years to reach the level Zoro was at in Alabasta with Wado Ichimonji.
Then I said "Wado Ichimonji does nothing. It's Zoro who does things".. As in Zoro right now has the experience from mastering Wado 2 years ago. He doesn't lose the experience when Wado Ichimonji is taken away from him so Wado Ichimonji is not doing anything. It just happened to be similar to Enma.
I dont think in Alabasta was where Zoro mastered Wado (as in getting used to the actual sword itself) he mastered wado while training at the dojo at some point. He was relying on strength and power to cut things down and then during the battle with Mr 1, he understood the breath of all things for his swords and was able to cut steel thus it took all that time for him to improve as a swordsman and then trained afterwards to be able to work on awakening that ability down the line at will
As said by someone else:
-Zoro being able to tame Enma is thanks of his haki’s mastery.
-Zoro being able to master Enma this fast is thanks of his strength and the fact that he used Wado Ichimonji.
So no, even if Kinemon was weilding the Wado for 10 years he would not be able to master Enma because he would not be able to tame it in the first place.
-Zoro being able to tame Enma is thanks of his haki’s mastery.
-Zoro being able to master Enma this fast is thanks of his strength and the fact that he used Wado Ichimonji.
So no, even if Kinemon was weilding the Wado for 10 years he would not be able to master Enma because he would not be able to tame it in the first place.