Questions & Mysteries Did Zoro use adv CoC with Ashura ?
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Personally I think that Zoro did infuse his attack with CoC to scar kaido but it was an unconscious and unfocused use. I think of the situation being comparable to simple armament haki usage vs. actively using hardening. There's no doubt that current dead man's game would be >>>> rooftop Deadman's though
VC records feats from chapter nr to nr , bro the last VC talked about chapters from number 997 to chapter 1010 ask Etenboby lmao , VC always talks about a numbers of dedicated chapters it gets known by written them in the pack of their release show me Yamato using adv coc in those chapters ?
well my points are evident and i said it in the thread it will be hard to believe it
well my points are evident and i said it in the thread it will be hard to believe it
• Well after you read this , you will start to say oh a dumb thread wtf is this shit ? But before reading it i want you guys to drop the hate you have for any character or any precedented ideas you have and just be a neutral one who just started wano from chapter 909 and he will know somethings from here let's Begin:
• Well Adv CoC or Conqueror's Haki coating the best feat we got until now which Kaido said about it :
• Well adv CoC until now we know it appears with two signs :
1- black lightning
2- No touch thing
Which this panel shows
Well with this thing we know it's Adv CoC being used .
Now let's begin our interesting topic :
• Did Zoro use Conqueror's haki ?
Well what we based our debat with people and i'm one of them with these evidences :
1- Kaido says Did you use CoC ?
2- Chapter's title : Conqueror's Haki
Well i'm gonna lie but when i was debating with People i thought i have great evidences but after rereading One piece again especially wano i found out what i used as arguments are just trash and can be debunked with just 2 or 3 panels that's it lmao .
Now let's begin with Kaido's speech :
• Kaido said :
" don't tell me you can use CoC too boy ... "
This Kaido asking Zoro if he can use CoC or not not a confirmation he can use CoC let's see the difference with Kid and Luffy :
Kaido said :
" So you also have CoC like Kid " .
• Kaido vs Zoro :
He is asking a question which Zoro needs to answer because he is still having doubt :
<< Don't tell me >>
• Kaido vs Luffy :
He doesn't need an answer because he reached to the conclusion himself :
<< So you >>
• Well it's good that we deciphered Kaido's speech to be a question rather than a factual conclusion which he reached like Luffy's Case .
• the question which should we ask Do we have to believe Kaido's words for 💯 % or we need to doubt anything we get so far ?
Well for Kaido's case , he is creditless not a factual one for anything he says each time .
Proof for that ?
This panel :
Vs
Now let's explain :
• After Kaido got cut he said :
<< Are they using Oden's Ryuo ? >>
~
<< Don't tell me they can use Oden's Ryuo ? >>
But after a long period of fighting Kaido himself denied this idea :
<< None of these attacks ( which use Oden's Ryuo as he claimed ) have any resemblance to Oden's swords (Ryuo attacks in another sense)... >>
• So us reaching a conclusion of Zoro using Coc based on a question Kaido asked to get a confirmation is a wrong thing so in this stage we have stil to doubt that .
° Now let's talk about the title : Adv CoC
Oh the title said that but we have to know that , this can be only applied to Luffy who used it isn't it ? As for the title we have some precedence with them .
Like this case :
Vs
• Chapter's title talks about Luffy being a fifth emperor while Teach says it's too early which got proved by Base Kaido one shotting Gear 4th Luffy in one attack .
So another case for the title not being right always also for just making a case for a thing
( Luffy's and Kaido's CoC and not Zoro's CoC )
Now I Debunked the basic arguments which we use around .
Now let's see Zoro's Ashura vs Kaido :
• Now you guys i need you to see the panel above i want you to show me where is :
1- black lightning ?
2- No touch thing ?
You can't answer ain't it ?
1- when anyone uses Adv CoC , he manifested it with black lightning even if Zoro used it unconsciously why not the black lightning appear though to indicate the usage of it either consciously or unconsciously it doesn't matter as long as black lightning means Adv CoC is getting used right now .
2- No Touch thing :
Well you all see the panel where says
<< ashura >> , We see Kaido clashing with Zoro Like What we have here :
Luffy used CoC against CoCless Kaido and stopped his attacks using a barrier formed by adv coc but where is this barrier in Zoro vs Kaido's panel ? Shouldn't Zoro show no touch thing since he used it ? Instead we got some stars ( gets shown when someone's sword clashes with other while touching each other ) and sfx of metalic clash Which means that their weapons met / touched each other which denies the notion of adv CoC being used .
So until now we all get is the denial of this idea instead its acceptance because it doesn't have any basis to show its forte .
• Now the great thing which shocked me and you all :
• Zoro's Vivre Card didn't mention Zoro as a CoC user despite the fact that the chapter said Conqueror's Haki / Kaido said it / Zoro showed it :
• Second thing which made laugh hard is tye commetary of Ashura feat :
So getting these two things which shocked us can only make us wonder if Zoro truly used CoC or not especially when Kid just got a confirmation from Kaido's speech with no feat to support that and still he got CoC in his VC meanwhile Zoro got a feat / Kaido's speech / Chapter's title all of these proofs ( we claimed to be ) but he didn't get any thing adknowledged so do you started to doubt that guys or not?
another thing for you , Luffy used Coc prets unconsciously and his Vc before The time skip or before the training mentioned him having it though so why it isn't the same case for zoro?
check the fourth one :
覇王色 = conqueror
• So in the end we have one conclusion :
∆ Zoro didn't use adv CoC instead he scarred Kaido with just his strength ( nine swords coated in Coa ) which even kaido confirmed :
you need to have enough strength to scar / open old scar of kaido .
no mention of the need of CoC coating especially .
∆ now it makes sense why the vc didn't mention Zoro as a conqueror because he didn't use it or get an adknowledgment he has it .
but we know that Zoro showed it now .
the end
@Geo @stairs-kun @Cinera @nik87 @Aknolagon @Marimo_420 @Gol D. Roger @Garp the Fist @style etc etc
• Well Adv CoC or Conqueror's Haki coating the best feat we got until now which Kaido said about it :
• Well adv CoC until now we know it appears with two signs :
1- black lightning
2- No touch thing
Which this panel shows
Well with this thing we know it's Adv CoC being used .
Now let's begin our interesting topic :
• Did Zoro use Conqueror's haki ?
Well what we based our debat with people and i'm one of them with these evidences :
1- Kaido says Did you use CoC ?
2- Chapter's title : Conqueror's Haki
Well i'm gonna lie but when i was debating with People i thought i have great evidences but after rereading One piece again especially wano i found out what i used as arguments are just trash and can be debunked with just 2 or 3 panels that's it lmao .
Now let's begin with Kaido's speech :
" don't tell me you can use CoC too boy ... "
This Kaido asking Zoro if he can use CoC or not not a confirmation he can use CoC let's see the difference with Kid and Luffy :
" So you also have CoC like Kid " .
• Kaido vs Zoro :
He is asking a question which Zoro needs to answer because he is still having doubt :
<< Don't tell me >>
• Kaido vs Luffy :
He doesn't need an answer because he reached to the conclusion himself :
<< So you >>
• Well it's good that we deciphered Kaido's speech to be a question rather than a factual conclusion which he reached like Luffy's Case .
• the question which should we ask Do we have to believe Kaido's words for 💯 % or we need to doubt anything we get so far ?
Well for Kaido's case , he is creditless not a factual one for anything he says each time .
Proof for that ?
This panel :
Vs
Now let's explain :
• After Kaido got cut he said :
<< Are they using Oden's Ryuo ? >>
~
<< Don't tell me they can use Oden's Ryuo ? >>
But after a long period of fighting Kaido himself denied this idea :
<< None of these attacks ( which use Oden's Ryuo as he claimed ) have any resemblance to Oden's swords (Ryuo attacks in another sense)... >>
• So us reaching a conclusion of Zoro using Coc based on a question Kaido asked to get a confirmation is a wrong thing so in this stage we have stil to doubt that .
° Now let's talk about the title : Adv CoC
Oh the title said that but we have to know that , this can be only applied to Luffy who used it isn't it ? As for the title we have some precedence with them .
Like this case :
Vs
So another case for the title not being right always also for just making a case for a thing
( Luffy's and Kaido's CoC and not Zoro's CoC )
Now I Debunked the basic arguments which we use around .
Now let's see Zoro's Ashura vs Kaido :
1- black lightning ?
2- No touch thing ?
You can't answer ain't it ?
1- when anyone uses Adv CoC , he manifested it with black lightning even if Zoro used it unconsciously why not the black lightning appear though to indicate the usage of it either consciously or unconsciously it doesn't matter as long as black lightning means Adv CoC is getting used right now .
2- No Touch thing :
Well you all see the panel where says
<< ashura >> , We see Kaido clashing with Zoro Like What we have here :
So until now we all get is the denial of this idea instead its acceptance because it doesn't have any basis to show its forte .
• Now the great thing which shocked me and you all :
• Zoro's Vivre Card didn't mention Zoro as a CoC user despite the fact that the chapter said Conqueror's Haki / Kaido said it / Zoro showed it :
• Second thing which made laugh hard is tye commetary of Ashura feat :
So getting these two things which shocked us can only make us wonder if Zoro truly used CoC or not especially when Kid just got a confirmation from Kaido's speech with no feat to support that and still he got CoC in his VC meanwhile Zoro got a feat / Kaido's speech / Chapter's title all of these proofs ( we claimed to be ) but he didn't get any thing adknowledged so do you started to doubt that guys or not?
another thing for you , Luffy used Coc prets unconsciously and his Vc before The time skip or before the training mentioned him having it though so why it isn't the same case for zoro?
覇王色 = conqueror
• So in the end we have one conclusion :
∆ Zoro didn't use adv CoC instead he scarred Kaido with just his strength ( nine swords coated in Coa ) which even kaido confirmed :
you need to have enough strength to scar / open old scar of kaido .
no mention of the need of CoC coating especially .
∆ now it makes sense why the vc didn't mention Zoro as a conqueror because he didn't use it or get an adknowledgment he has it .
but we know that Zoro showed it now .
the end
@Geo @stairs-kun @Cinera @nik87 @Aknolagon @Marimo_420 @Gol D. Roger @Garp the Fist @style etc etc
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Suddenly all the Zoro haters insist that he used advCoC on the rooftop :cantseeme:
Next time he faces Kaido you will see what advCoC looks like
Next time he faces Kaido you will see what advCoC looks like
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Zoro only just Awakened Haoshoku for the first time in 1033:
Considering the context of his Awakening here, I don't think he used Haoshoku before this point.
Zoro only just Awakened Haoshoku for the first time in 1033:
Considering the context of his Awakening here, I don't think he used Haoshoku before this point.
On the rooftop, Zoro unconsciously used Conqueror's Haki. Yet, he was still regulating the Haki that went to his attack. He used a Conqueror's Haki attack, but he still regulated his Haki. In contrast, now, Zoro isn't regulating his Haki anymore. Enma is forcing him to release his Conqueror's Haki. It's forcing him to release a large amount of Haki too.
On the rooftop, he wasn't putting his life on the line with the Asura attack. He wanted to do the most damage he could and leave the rest to Law. Here, he can't rely on anyone else. He is now putting his life on the line by not regulating Enma. The blade is making him release more Haki than he would like. That's why he has the black lightning.
Also, don't forget that the very reason why everyone theorised that Zoro's next upgrade would be Conqueror's Haki coating was that he unconsciously used it on the rooftop. If you guys want to say that he didn't use Conqueror's Haki because you think it makes him look better. "Wow! Only Armament Haki, not even Conqueror's coating! So strong!" Go for it, but I'm not joining in, lol.
Zoro used COC unconciously with Ashura.
No dark lightning effects cause Oda.
Same thing on 1033, he is using COC not because he knows how to do it like Luffy, he simply isn't just holding his haki back anymore.
When Zoro used that Ashura on Kaido he did not hold back, actually he let all his haki out.
Now how would Zoro kill Kaido if his Ashura was already infused with COC?
Simple, Kaido is already in a weakened state even now. Just like one of the highlights of Sanji vs Queen where Queen started feeling damage from Sanji's kicks after fighting all out in quiet a lot of time.
No dark lightning effects cause Oda.
Same thing on 1033, he is using COC not because he knows how to do it like Luffy, he simply isn't just holding his haki back anymore.
When Zoro used that Ashura on Kaido he did not hold back, actually he let all his haki out.
Now how would Zoro kill Kaido if his Ashura was already infused with COC?
Simple, Kaido is already in a weakened state even now. Just like one of the highlights of Sanji vs Queen where Queen started feeling damage from Sanji's kicks after fighting all out in quiet a lot of time.
no dark lightening effects here yet oden supposedly used coc here
the attack was infused with coc subconciously
putting all he had left after the major injury into the attack implies that as well
as does kaido's comments afterwards
thing to look out for is if he can now launch attacks as devastating as that without going into ashura now he can coat his attacks with coc in regular form.
the attack was infused with coc subconciously
putting all he had left after the major injury into the attack implies that as well
as does kaido's comments afterwards
thing to look out for is if he can now launch attacks as devastating as that without going into ashura now he can coat his attacks with coc in regular form.
